Star Wars: Battlefront Reboot

If this goes like any of their previous games i'll be waiting until i can get Full Retail + Season pass for the "current" retail price. It's usually patched well enough by then.

Planetside 2 fails because it's hard to get into, and once you get into it, you realize there is very little in the way of goals... too unstructured. It's like a sandbox FPS MMO game, it just doesn't work.

What would save this game are organized matches of some sort, but that goes completely against the developed grain of this game. Unlikely to happen.

Also the game performs poorly. I get there is more going on in one battle then generally happening in 10 BF4 battles... but that doesn't change the fact that major battles happen at 30-35fps regardless of computer specs.
 
Inu said:
If this goes like any of their previous games i'll be waiting until i can get Full Retail + Season pass for the "current" retail price. It's usually patched well enough by then.

Planetside 2 fails because it's hard to get into, and once you get into it, you realize there is very little in the way of goals... too unstructured. It's like a sandbox FPS MMO game, it just doesn't work.

What would save this game are organized matches of some sort, but that goes completely against the developed grain of this game. Unlikely to happen.

Also the game performs poorly. I get there is more going on in one battle then generally happening in 10 BF4 battles... but that doesn't change the fact that major battles happen at 30-35fps regardless of computer specs.
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Or they could add this Godzilla sized mecha that comes down in the middle of the fights and tears inti everyone. :)

Id definitely pay to play that.
That would be sweet :)
 
Inu said:
If this goes like any of their previous games i'll be waiting until i can get Full Retail + Season pass for the "current" retail price. It's usually patched well enough by then.

Planetside 2 fails because it's hard to get into, and once you get into it, you realize there is very little in the way of goals... too unstructured. It's like a sandbox FPS MMO game, it just doesn't work.

What would save this game are organized matches of some sort, but that goes completely against the developed grain of this game. Unlikely to happen.

Also the game performs poorly. I get there is more going on in one battle then generally happening in 10 BF4 battles... but that doesn't change the fact that major battles happen at 30-35fps regardless of computer specs.
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Except there are no community run servers with active admins, so the entire game will be unplayable due to an abundance of hackers on the PC version before they get the first patch out the door. There were day1 hacks in the beta and only a few people were caught by FairFight, just wait until release. :(
 
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Except there are no community run servers with active admins, so the entire game will be unplayable due to an abundance of hackers on the PC version before they get the first patch out the door. There were day1 hacks in the beta and only a few people were caught by FairFight, just wait until release. :(
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What I've found in 1000 hrs between BF3 and 4 is that you encounter butt hurt badmins and clanstacking and servers with lame rules FAR more often than the occasional aimbotter idiot that goes 200-1. You see a botter, you just change servers.

For that reason I don't care at all about people not being able to own their own server and play hitler.

As for hackers in the beta, I never saw one, but I realize that doesn't mean they didn't exist because I saw videos. However a free beta is always open season since you could make unlimited free accounts. Once the game costs $45 and enhanced FairFight starts killing accounts, it'll become expensive after they get stung once or twice.
 
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odditory said:
What I've found in 1000 hrs between BF3 and 4 is that you encounter butt hurt badmins and clanstacking and servers with lame rules FAR more often than the occasional aimbotter idiot that goes 200-1. You see a botter, you just change servers.

For that reason I don't care at all about people not being able to own their own server and play hitler.
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In over 1000 hours between the two, I have never experienced this.
 
brennok said:
In over 1000 hours between the two, I have never experienced this.
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Experience what - badmins? Then no offense, maybe you weren't a particularly good player and always just blended in. Kill an admin a few times or take his favorite vehicle/aircraft and you start getting kicked and often banned from servers pretty consistently.

While I still played in a clan on TeamSpeak we'd often have trouble finding a server to join together because there was always at least one person in the group "Oh I can't play on there, I'm banned", related to clan drama or high KDR's. I do not miss that one bit.
 
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Experience what - badmins? Then no offense, maybe you weren't an uber player and always just blended in. Kill an admin a few times or take his favorite vehicle/aircraft and you start getting kicked and often banned from servers pretty consistently.
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Lol, you must have "b"adluck... HAH! see what i did there... badluck with badmins... HAHAHAHHA...

but yea, there is a point to the day 1 hackers in Beta....shit storm coming for the un admineded servers.
 
odditory said:
Experience what - badmins? Then no offense, maybe you weren't a particularly good player and always just blended in. Kill an admin a few times or take his favorite vehicle/aircraft and you start getting kicked and often banned from servers pretty consistently.

While I still played in a clan on TeamSpeak we'd often have trouble finding a server to join together because there was always at least one person in the group "Oh I can't play on there, I'm banned", related to clan drama or high KDR's. I do not miss that one bit.
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Do any of these DICE games have spectator mode yet? Last I played was BF3 and admins basically had to judge if players were hacking solely based on K:D, which is a horrible way to do it since it's not based on any hard evidence.

I've admin'd TF2 servers for years and the ability to live-spectate any player is invaluable, as is the ability to record demos for playback; I couldn't believe how gimped the Frostbyte games were when BF3 was released. When long-established FPS features are cut, and no mod or admin tools are provided to the players, you can only expect rudimentary results from the admins.
 
odditory said:
related to clan drama or high KDR's. I do not miss that one bit.
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The truth comes out eventually.

Dice has had a huge and unfixed hacking problem since alpha of BF3 (but really before then too). From AA killing all the devs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAOvNRA3G7c) to not-a-fucking-thing done the first 6mo BF3 was out, to every subsequent game having the same/similar exploits (note: i haven't played since bf3 but I can easily find YT videos with the same aimbot UI's on screen).
 
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The way SWTOR was originally marketed, as a subscription based MMO with depth on par with WoW, it actually did turn out to be a failure. Only when it went FTP did it reach any sort of sustaining success. So yeah, SWTOR was an initial failure due to people not wanting to pay monthly, even for a Star Wars game.
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SWTOR didnt go F2P, it simply added a F2P model as an option, the sub model is still there (I am still subbed myself). EA has said that since adding the F2P/Premium player option the number of actual subscribers as increased substantially, (although actual subscriber numbers are a secret).

EA has said they are now turning a nice profit from it. So overall despite a bad initial start the game has been as a financial success.
 
lilbabycat said:
The truth comes out eventually.

Dice has had a huge and unfixed hacking problem since alpha of BF3 (but really before then too). From AA killing all the devs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAOvNRA3G7c) to not-a-fucking-thing done the first 6mo BF3 was out, to every subsequent game having the same/similar exploits (note: i haven't played since bf3 but I can easily find YT videos with the same aimbot UI's on screen).
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pay site cheats still exist and work going virtually unchecked in fps games...unfortunately battlefront will be no exception. the game will be so densely populated it will be hard to spot cheaters. the best way to combat cheaters is to play games like this with friends on vent, have an edge, stick together, etc. sometimes it's blatantly obvious when people are cheating, but some strange people out there buy these paid cheats and purposely try to make themselves look legit (most likely for pure e-peen status). it's annoying but it has never totally ruined my fps experience.
 
mmarsh said:
SWTOR didnt go F2P, it simply added a F2P model as an option, the sub model is still there (I am still subbed myself). EA has said that since adding the F2P/Premium player option the number of actual subscribers as increased substantially, (although actual subscriber numbers are a secret).

EA has said they are now turning a nice profit from it. So overall despite a bad initial start the game has been as a financial success.
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Right, it became a success after implementing FTP. But there is no denying it was a failure in it's original (and intended) subscriber model. Its Star Wars brand did not save it. Ergo, just because a license is successful, doesn't equate to a successful game.
 
I have decided I will not indulge in this shit. Anything from Dice is better purchased for 30 bucks with game and season pass. Also by that time most people are still playing so it is no big deal like BLOPS since by the time you hit DLC 1 the user base is already 2% of that on release. I never got to play ANY DLC of AW simply because there were no servers. lol.
 
grambo said:
Fully agree with you. Planetside 2 is awesome, I played it for around the same amount of time before moving onto other stuff due to limited time. But the coordination, tactics and practice required to "get it" and the amount of time you have to play to see meaningful change in control on a server is the polar opposite of what people in the new Battlefront want (quick, digestible 30 minute frag sessions).
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Planetside 2 is cool. I play it on weekends and I feel it is quite popular actually. You never get these huge battles in BF4 or any similar games.
 
almalino said:
Planetside 2 is cool. I play it on weekends and I feel it is quite popular actually. You never get these huge battles in BF4 or any similar games.
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I've always wanted to get into it, but I hear it's a huge uphill climb for someone starting from scratch.
 
Pringle said:
I've always wanted to get into it, but I hear it's a huge uphill climb for someone starting from scratch.
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Actually it was at the beginning of the game few years ago. But now you have an instant action button that drops you to the some battle on the continent where you can start shooting people without much thinking :)

Slowly but surely you will learn all the mechanics.

There is now also a training continent if you want to get training before getting into real battle. I never tried it but I think it will explain all the basics. Game is cool.
 
EA releases Battlefront Planet Experience interactive site. Shows more actual in-game footage of each map more than any trailers have shown.

http://starwars.ea.com/starwars/battlefront/planets

So far I've just tried Endor, example its the first time seeing what first person POV on a Speeder Bike looks. And rain is a weather effect on this map it seems - click on the 5th dot and you'll see it raining, plus all the smooth surfaces are wet and shiny. In the final segment you see Endor lapsing into nighttime. The new footage confirms my feeling that Endor is gorgeous enough that I'd buy the game for this map alone. Gotta check out the other planets now.
 
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I've always wanted to get into it, but I hear it's a huge uphill climb for someone starting from scratch.
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I found it wasn't that bad, maybe 3-4 hours before you feel like you have a clue and some credits for unlocks (which can also be purchased with real money). If you are a good FPS player you can contribute immediately by joining a squad and following orders. Definitely worth the download. I'm thinking I may reinstall and see how it runs on my 970.
 
odditory said:
Experience what - badmins? Then no offense, maybe you weren't a particularly good player and always just blended in. Kill an admin a few times or take his favorite vehicle/aircraft and you start getting kicked and often banned from servers pretty consistently.

While I still played in a clan on TeamSpeak we'd often have trouble finding a server to join together because there was always at least one person in the group "Oh I can't play on there, I'm banned", related to clan drama or high KDR's. I do not miss that one bit.
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For every example you give me of a badmin, I can cite just as many examples of where someone claims "badmin" but in the end the banning is completely justified due to childish, flippant behavior of the person that was banned. It really does go both ways. I'm not saying what you experienced didn't happen, I'm just trying to point out the other side of the argument. ;) I have almost 2000 hours and play within top 1% (per bf4stats.com) in BF4 (battlelog ID same as this one) so my playing does show up on some admin's radar. However, I may blend in since I usually am not a blatant asshat in chat or breaking server rules. I have only experienced a couple badmins, most of them from BF3 when there was no spectate mode, FairFight didn't exist, and stats were not as well recorded as they are now. Admins were shooting in the dark most times. 3rd party tools like ProCon have advanced so far that most of the administrating is handled automatically, with a live admin filling in when software failed.

As a prior admin myself, and currently a member of a very large clan with 4 servers with active admins and knowledge of how the system works, its quite humorous to watch our forums light up with complaints and ban appeals. Fortunately, we tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and forgiveness (kick first then ban if warranted), but server chat logs and childish forum replies usually doom most appeals. Most bannings I see are the result of douchebaggery such as in in-game chat, base raping un-cap bases, or team griefing. It gets even funnier when these same people take their one-sided drama story to other forums like Reddit in an attempt to find sympathizers.

Clanstacking is very real, but you have to consider that you joining a server with several skilled friends and playing on the same team is almost the same thing. Clan servers run with ProCon 3rd party software are able to use plugins to scramble teams and team balance, but those can only do so much. You do get bad scrambles every once in a while and it can't be helped because you are at the mercy of the 3rd party programmer since EA/DICE does fuckall about that situation. DICE's long overdue version of a team balancer and team scrambler works very poorly, and actually interferes with the previously existing and well performing 3rd party tools... and you can't disable it unless you want EA to classify your server as unranked. Fortunately things have gotten much better since the old days. 3rd party plugins can force team switching clan stackers to play on different teams. You can thank the notorious douchebaggery of a few select members of the CFA clan (Casual Farmers Association) for motivating 3rd party programmers to provide that feature.


Now back to the topic at hand and how this info relates...Battlefront. I'm in no way suggesting they do things exactly like the Battlefield series. In fact, they could strip down admin capabilities heavily as long as they kept certain key abilities such as spectate, kick, and ban. They could do this while still allowing matchmaking, and yet they chose not to do so. The inability for there to be active admins that can deal with hackers will kill this game quickly. Active admins also require there be an ability for people to rent servers and a server browser (in some form) for them to locate these rented servers. If Badmins were such a rampant issue, they would have killed other online communities. BFBC2 is still going 5.5 years later (barely), BF3 is still going strong 4 years later, and BF4 is still going strong 2 years later. Why are they still going? Because people are still renting servers and actively administrating them. Without that ability, a game is at the mercy of a poisonous player community (hackers and griefers) and the publisher's deep pockets to run the game servers themselves. The latter will result in someone deciding when the cost is no longer worth it long before the community might. Let me be clear, this is more infrastructure than typical which is normally just the stats and authentication servers.

If EA/DICE is willing to have their own active admins on their own servers, I will eat crow and forever shutup about the server browser and admin issue. But we all know that is NOT going to happen and they will continue to rely on their half assed anti-cheat programs that are still easily defeated.

Also, please do not assume my wall of text is an attack on you or trying to prove you wrong. You aren't wrong and do make valid points. I just want to make sure everyone knows the other side of this whole argument. :cool:

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but yea, there is a point to the day 1 hackers in Beta....shit storm coming for the un admineded servers.
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Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees the writing on the wall. I honestly hope the game will last several months without too much incident, but I sincerely doubt the community will continue much longer than that due to these glaring issues. It makes me feel like this game in particular was intended to only last a year, almost as if they are setting it up to be like an Activision cash grab that is a yearly COD release with little to zero support after the sequel releases. Despite all the horrendous game breaking issues it used to have, BF4 still continues today as popular as ever, and that's simply because of a strong community with a willingness to rent and admin servers. I mention BF4 specifically because it too is a DICE game, but the same concept can be applied to other games such as CounterStrike. Community keeps games alive.

Aix. said:
Do any of these DICE games have spectator mode yet? Last I played was BF3 and admins basically had to judge if players were hacking solely based on K:D, which is a horrible way to do it since it's not based on any hard evidence.
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Spectator mode was added back to BF4 when it released. Unfortunately, there are paid hacks that inform the cheater that they are being spectated so they can dial back their abilities. Fortunately, this becomes blatantly obvious. You begin spectating them, they either start playing terrible or inconsistently from before and eventually just leave the server because they know they are being watched. After that, its usually a quick stop over to BF4DB.com or BF4stats.com to confirm some of their stats are incredibly inflated.

We had a hilarious incident on our own clan server when some kid kept complaining that he was seeing "you are being spectated by [insert name]". He kept calling it out in chat and not realizing this was not a feature in BF4. We kept leading him on to have him describe everything in detail what he saw on the screen. I'm assuming the idiot kid pirated the game with built in hax or didn't know the full capabilities of his hax. We immediately permabanned him since he self implicated himself using a wallhack and this other cheat saying he was being spectated. He showed up on the pb bans database the next day when punkbuster finally caught him.
 
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My buddy got banned from a server because of his KDR and killing of the admin. We were all in TS so nobody said a word on the server. Just some message flashed to him that he was trolling the admin and a banned message. We were playing Metro so good luck not shooting or blowing up the admin.

Now I know another clan member that liked to use racist epitaphs "just because". Typical childish behavior. I don't know why they put up with him as long as they did. So he got banned from so many servers that he didn't even bother to purchase BF4. Best shit ever. We booted him from the clan because he literally couldn't play the game because he was banned everywhere with a decent ping. :)
 
the new trailers look decent. The only thing that interests me is that insane verticality in endor...the rest of the maps look very boring and flat...When are FPS games going to give us insane maps with hills verticality and cool strategies..
 
You can play this game for free at Walmart I might play it for 5 minutes which would be good enough for me....

Unless CD-Keys has it for like 14.00
 
Is this basically Battlefield, but with star wars skins? Never played any star wars battlefront games
 
bloodhawke83 said:
pretty much.
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I disagree. No classes or squads (aside from a single buddy) makes for a big departure from BF. There is no setting up an ideal squad. There is no relying on other players to fulfill roles you cannot. Teamwork is still important, but it seems more about everyone being focused on a greater objective versus being required to work together to keep things balanced and in your favor.

The gameplay is also much more infantry focused. There is no spawning into vehicles. They are powerups picked up on foot. Maybe there are game modes in the final game where this isn't the case? But in the two beta maps, one had no vehicles at all, and the other required you to stumble across the power-ups on foot.

Also toss in the more subtle differences like lack of weapon customization, earning currency to buy your unlocks instead of earning them via XP and missions, third person, etc.

It's still a dice shooter. Infantry combat feels like battlefield. The objectives are similar. Level design and the scale of battles is similar. It's certainly a hell of a lot closer to battlefield than call of duty. But there are still plenty of things that seem pretty different. That's of course all off the beta so maybe my thoughts will change next week...
 
Need some clarification fellas...Sooo in order to play the Jakku map now, I have to purchase the pre-order copy directly from EA for 60$? So, GMG and the other sites, I guess will not provide keys until launch day?
 
Island said:
Need some clarification fellas...Sooo in order to play the Jakku map now, I have to purchase the pre-order copy directly from EA for 60$? So, GMG and the other sites, I guess will not provide keys until launch day?
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You can preorder from EA using a mexico vpn for $39
 
Island said:
Need some clarification fellas...Sooo in order to play the Jakku map now, I have to purchase the pre-order copy directly from EA for 60$? So, GMG and the other sites, I guess will not provide keys until launch day?
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That would be news to me if you didn't get the Preorder bonus if you got the key from GMG. I know I got China Rising (first DLC) free when I bought BF4 from GMG. And I believe the key was delivered at least a few days before, not on launch day.

An Origin key is an Origin key. I think there's also a grace period (certain number of days) where the preorder bonus is still in effect when buying the game post-launch.
 
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That would be news to me if you didn't get the Preorder bonus if you got the key from GMG. I know I got China Rising (first DLC) free when I bought BF4 from GMG. And I believe the key was delivered at least a few days before, not on launch day.

An Origin key is an Origin key. I think there's also a grace period (certain number of days) post-launch where the preorder bonus still applies.
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After some research I found out that GMG is not providing keys until launch day as per their post of Facebook. Sucks as they are the cheapest I have found in the last few days and I have scowered the internet. I really am excited to play as I enjoyed the Beta so I might just splurge, eat the 10$ extra and buy from EA now so I can try the DLC map...That is unless someone can chime in and tell me it sucks and is not worth it?
 
Island said:
After some research I found out that GMG is not providing keys until launch day as per their post of Facebook. Sucks as they are the cheapest I have found in the last few days and I have scowered the internet. I really am excited to play as I enjoyed the Beta so I might just splurge, eat the 10$ extra and buy from EA now so I can try the DLC map...That is unless someone can chime in and tell me it sucks and is not worth it?
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Well at *worst* we'd have to wait an extra week to play Jakku, since it'll be free DLC for everyone Dec. 8. So, no, I wouldn't pay an extra $10 to get a map one week earlier. I preordered for $45 from GMG right after I played the beta, so I'm staying put.

I wonder if the Origin Mexico trick with Hola/VPN still works these days..
 
I heard from my buddy that the game releases Nov. 16th at 9:00 PM PST? Is this correct?
 
F.E.A.R. said:
I heard from my buddy that the game releases Nov. 16th at 9:00 PM PST? Is this correct?
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yep. i'll be clicking the play button at 9:01 PM PST.

DPI said:
Yes. And I reckon people will be doing Korean VPN to unlock it even earlier just like BF4.
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i did this for the BF3 release, though i want to say it was a Brazilian VPN everybody was using at the time. after doing it i thought "you know, using a free brazilian vpn is probably not the best idea...."
i'll never do the free VPN thing again. the risk just isn't worth the couple of hours jump start.
 
Porter_ said:
i'll never do the free VPN thing again. the risk just isn't worth the couple of hours jump start.
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I'm inclined to agree with this. Yes, VPN will work. But I don't know how I'd feel about trusting a free VPN. If you're going this route, look for a reputable VPN that has a free one week trial or something and do that.

I pay for a VPN, have been for a long time, and I trust using that to unlock games. I wouldn't use a freebie though.
 
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