The s6 edge + makes all other phones look like garbage scrap

mi7chy said:
Some people have a very simplistic view of performance. They base performance on swiping the home screen back and forth but don't touch upon the more important things like, for example, browser scrolling performance. On an old 2012 Note II I can scroll through long live blogs like WWDC in a fraction of the time it takes on an iPhone 6.
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I'm on Galaxy Edge S6+ now. It seems fine to me. I don't really install much on my phone's and don't care to. In fact I tend to use them as little as possible. I occasionally use the Web for quick stuff if I don't have something more powerful handy. I check E-Mail and don't install many apps. In three pay I used to root phones and change ROMs. I was always having to fix shit and change ROMS and my phones seemed less than reliable after doing that. I stopped doing that shit on my S4 and never had any problems. I just used the phone and it served me well.
 
Wow. I can't believe someone thinks TouchWiz is just a launcher skin. .....wow.


TouchWiz will always be the reason I don't get a Samsung phone. And if you think it's just a launcher, then you've never used stock android. I LOVE stock android. And if this phone came in a Google Pay edition it would be the best phone on the market. Too bad it's about to get trumped by the newer Nexus phones coming out with Marshmallow and USB-C. The Samsung phones already seem out dated.
 
I've used them all. Stock Android is like a stock car with no options, no power windows, no AC, no remote lock/unlock, etc. If I'm reading a long article on my Nexus device I have to remember to touch the screen every so often otherwise the screen dims/turns off but not so on Touchwiz with Eye Stay. Also, no multiwindow, no extended pen features, etc. on stock Android.

USB-C makes no sense since it means throwing out your existing micro USB wall and car chargers or deal with adapters. Worse of all people are already ruining their USB-C connector on phone by accidentally inserting a micro USB cable. Just a bunch of cons but no real pro.

Nexus hardware is usually on the crappy and ugly side. I'll let others beta test Android M then when it's stable I'll accept the update on better hardware.
 
Warrior said:
Wow. I can't believe someone thinks TouchWiz is just a launcher skin. .....wow.


TouchWiz will always be the reason I don't get a Samsung phone. And if you think it's just a launcher, then you've never used stock android. I LOVE stock android. And if this phone came in a Google Pay edition it would be the best phone on the market. Too bad it's about to get trumped by the newer Nexus phones coming out with Marshmallow and USB-C. The Samsung phones already seem out dated.
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Agreed. Put some stock Android (nexus) on a Samsung, and I'm in. Otherwise, no thanks.
 
mi7chy said:
I've used them all. Stock Android is like a stock car with no options, no power windows, no AC, no remote lock/unlock, etc. If I'm reading a long article on my Nexus device I have to remember to touch the screen every so often otherwise the screen dims/turns off but not so on Touchwiz with Eye Stay. Also, no multiwindow, no extended pen features, etc. on stock Android.
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The car analogy goes a little too far, because AOSP isn't missing a ton of basic, universally-useful features -- it's missing a lot of Samsung/HTC/LG marketing gimmicks and a few useful things. But point taken.

However, the argument for most of us has always been that value-added features could be accomplished through apps and extras that are built on top of AOSP, rather than re-writing and re-skinning the entire OS and thereby forking it unnecessarily. Look no further than Moto (or ROMs like CM/PA) for proof. Only the most hardcore Nexus zealots have an issue with the OEM shipping any software besides AOSP on their device. It's all about how it's done. Unfortunately, most OEMs have decided to take a route that's indisputably inefficient and results in a worse user experience simply for the sake of marketing ideals like "product differentiation" and "brand loyalty."
 
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However, the argument for most of us has always been that value-added features could be accomplished through apps and extras that are built on top of AOSP, rather than re-writing and re-skinning the entire OS and thereby forking it unnecessarily. Look no further than Moto (or ROMs like CM/PA) for proof. Only the most hardcore Nexus zealots have an issue with the OEM shipping any software besides AOSP on their device. It's all about how it's done. Unfortunately, most OEMs have decided to take a route that's indisputably inefficient and results in a worse user experience simply for the sake of marketing ideals like "product differentiation" and "brand loyalty."
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Post add-ons usually don't work as well as factory. Case in point, trying to mimic Eye Stay on Nexus didn't work reliably. Same goes for mimicking Moto Active Display, Note pen-to-text transcription, etc. A lot of the zealotry is not based on facts but chest thumping and false superiority complex with running AOSP. Reality is stock Android is featureless. OEM stock with everything working is better than Cyanogenmod. Tried CM for a number of years but there's always something basic that didn't work so returned to OEM stock. And, if you think Moto is better think again. I had to disable 38 apps on Moto vs 29 on Touchwiz and there's no difference in experience. Any noticeable difference in experience has more to do with crappier hardware.
 
mi7chy said:
Post add-ons usually don't work as well as factory. Case in point, trying to mimic Eye Stay on Nexus didn't work reliably. Same goes for mimicking Moto Active Display, Note pen-to-text transcription, etc. A lot of the zealotry is not based on facts but chest thumping and false superiority complex with running AOSP. Reality is stock Android is featureless. OEM stock with everything working is better than Cyanogenmod. Tried CM for a number of years but there's always something basic that didn't work so returned to OEM stock. And, if you think Moto is better think again. I had to disable 38 apps on Moto vs 29 on Touchwiz and there's no difference in experience. Any noticeable difference in experience has more to do with crappier hardware.
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You make valid points bout the stability of custom ROMs, as well as app replacements for native custom features of TouchWiz etc.

For me, what annoyed me enough to switch to the fNexus 6 from my Note 4 (practically identical HW specs), even though I disliked the replacement battery and sdcard loss, was the lack of root and the way the phone aggressively killed background apps. 3GB RAM, Chrome opened, receive SMS, reply to SMS, switch back to Chrome - page reloads. F*** that. With the 6, I can keep chrome, a resource heavy game, and respond to a text, and switch back and forth effortlessly, as they're still running.

And yeah, I'm willing to put up with the loss of functionality, because I realized it was very minor for my use cases - pretty much only miss the screen staying on automatically, now that I think about it. Obviously, everyone has different uses and situations, so this doesn't apply to everyone.

I guess I'm saying no phone is perfect. The note 4 would've been for me if they'd only let me have access to ROOT and the bootloader.
 
Guys guys, you are getting too hung up on the skin as if that's the important thing. You can duct tape whatever software you want to the phone, but an ugly phone will still be ugly with stock android. It will still have lesser cameras, and inherently frumpier designs than the s6 edge +.


Can we all agree to be more shallow like I am?
 
tybert7 said:
Guys guys, you are getting too hung up on the skin as if that's the important thing. You can duct tape whatever software you want to the phone, but an ugly phone will still be ugly with stock android. It will still have lesser cameras, and inherently frumpier designs than the s6 edge +.


Can we all agree to be more shallow like I am?
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you are asking for impossible
 
Custom features are great, but that doesn't mean that Nexus-like devices are bad. It's a trade-off -- you may not get multi-window or other perks, but a well-done phone can feel faster and uncluttered. And of course, you're going to get OS updates much sooner.

It's important to remember that even a Nexus device isn't strictly AOSP... it's just as close as you can get while still having full access to Google apps, and of course the Google Now launcher is standard.
 
Aurelius said:
Custom features are great, but that doesn't mean that Nexus-like devices are bad. It's a trade-off -- you may not get multi-window or other perks, but a well-done phone can feel faster and uncluttered. And of course, you're going to get OS updates much sooner.

It's important to remember that even a Nexus device isn't strictly AOSP... it's just as close as you can get while still having full access to Google apps, and of course the Google Now launcher is standard.
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My Old Man hasn't been able to get my MMS for over a month.

See the S4 still hasn't gotten any patching love from Samsung for Stagefright. It may or may not appear on his carrier now or next week or next month or never. In a wise security move he disabled MMS
 
Went through the new Samsung phones today at BB. The S6 Edge+ felt much lighter than I expected.
 
Skripka said:
My Old Man hasn't been able to get my MMS for over a month.

See the S4 still hasn't gotten any patching love from Samsung for Stagefright. It may or may not appear on his carrier now or next week or next month or never. In a wise security move he disabled MMS
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Not sure what carrier he's on, but the Verizon S4 got the Stage fright fix a week ago. I'm sure the other variants aren't far behind considering Verizon is usually the last to get any sort of update.
 
I had some more time with the S6 Edge+ today. I think it really might be the sexiest phone I've ever seen. The beautiful screen just leaves me speechless every time I see it in person.
 
big_aug said:
I had some more time with the S6 Edge+ today. I think it really might be the sexiest phone I've ever seen. The beautiful screen just leaves me speechless every time I see it in person.
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I love it too. Samsung makes the best displays imo. I know that burn-in might be a potential issue but there's ways to fix that IF it ever becomes a problem. Samsung picked some good wallpaper too for showing off the display. It catches your eye from across the store.
 
Thought of this thread today when I picked up my wife's Note Edge and had to wait a two to three count for the recent apps tab to pop up. Have fun with those Samsung phones. They give Android a bad name IMO.
 
I got this phone about a week ago anx i have none of the problems people are stating. Maybe the latest firmware has sorted the bugs out.

I had a nexus 6p preordered here in the uk but after testing it out in store against the s6 edge plus i had to cancel my nexus 6p preorder. These are the reasons for me personally after testing and reading reviews:
Samsung has:
1. Fast wireless charging.
2. Better build quality.
3. Better camera.
4. Split screen.
5. Faster storage memory.
6. Hardware back, home and tasks button mean more on screen in more instances.
7. Heart rate sensor.

Things ill miss from the nexus 6p

1. Latest android.
2. Cheaper price.
.....erm thats about it!!
 
I got this phone about a week ago and i have none of the problems people are stating. Maybe the latest firmware has sorted the bugs out.

I had a nexus 6p preordered here in the uk but after testing it out in store against the s6 edge plus i had to cancel my nexus 6p preorder. These are the reasons for me personally after testing and reading reviews:
Samsung has:
1. Fast wireless charging.
2. Better build quality.
3. Better camera.
4. Split screen.
5. Faster storage memory.
6. Hardware back, home and tasks button mean more on screen in more instances.
7. Heart rate sensor.

Things ill miss from the nexus 6p

1. Latest android.
2. Cheaper price.
.....erm thats about it!!
 
I got in a 6P for some test work and I feel the phone overall is pretty garbage. It feels poorly assembled, looks downright ugly (we have the silver model) and has done a few weird things like getting stuck in black and white mode. I don't think anyone would mistake it for anything other than a poorly built Chinese phone, it just doesn't scream flagship at all.
 
Rash said:
Things ill miss from the nexus 6p

1. Latest android.
2. Cheaper price.
.....erm thats about it!!
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3. Front facing speakers - After having my M8, I won't own a phone without these anymore
4. Marshmallow's battery improvements, at least for the next 4-6 months, just in time for the next Android revision to come out.
5. More internal storage for the money - 128 GB 6P is still almost $200 cheaper than a 32GB Edge+, which only goes up to 64GB for another $100 premium.

You can get split screen through 3rd party apps and the camera seems just marginally better on the Samsung phones. For some reason the UFS memory on the Note5/Edge+ memory benched considerably slower than the S6/S6 Edge phones too on Anandtech's review, so that narrows the gap in the storage speeds.

But as always; different strokes for different folks. If I already had a Note5/Edge+, I would probably not even consider getting a different phone for at least a year or so. Hardware is getting to the point where it has negligible impact on general UI performance. I just watched a multitasking vid that shows the 6P keep up with and even barely beat the iPhone 6S even though the 6S destroys it in most bench tests. So now it's basically down to software preferences and hardware design to fit your preference. There's plenty of choices out there for everyone. I do think the $100 price premium on the Edge+ over the Note5 is absurd though, considering the edge features are basically useless compared to the features you lose over the Note5.

Ocellaris said:
I got in a 6P for some test work and I feel the phone overall is pretty garbage. It feels poorly assembled, looks downright ugly (we have the silver model) and has done a few weird things like getting stuck in black and white mode. I don't think anyone would mistake it for anything other than a poorly built Chinese phone, it just doesn't scream flagship at all.
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How much you want for it?

Certainly doesn't seem to be the consensus in any of the several reviews I've read on it. And I couldn't care less about what a phone looks or feels like as long as it isn't too big. That was the only reason I didn't get the Nexus 6 last year, but the 6P is considerably narrower to make it more comfortable to hold.
 
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Storage space is the primary reason I'm getting a 6P instead of the Note 5. Why are the unlocked models of the Note 5 only 32GB? I run out of space without even trying with that little.

64GB would have been just fine but I can't even pay for that. So now a 128GB 6P is on the way =)
 
The primary reason I would consider the Nexus 6P over the Note 5/S6 Edge+ is the memory management. TouchWiz is way overaggressive in killing apps. I don't even understand what is the point of having that amount of RAM.

Next reason: when is the last time Samsung actually updated TouchWiz on an older phone? Let's say Samsung will fix the memory management issue in the next version of TouchWiz in the GS7, will they fix it on the older devices?

Smaller reason: I know Samsung promised biweekly security updates. Has that actually happened yet? If not, when will it happen?
 
T4rd said:
And I couldn't care less about what a phone looks or feels like as long as it isn't too big. That was the only reason I didn't get the Nexus 6 last year, but the 6P is considerably narrower to make it more comfortable to hold.
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For the most part I agree, "looks and feels premium" is terrible and it makes me cringe every time I read someone say that.

But I would say the "feel" is important as in how its grip and shape feels for certain people. I was about to trade my Note 3 for a Nexus 6 earlier this year but the damn phone was just too massive for me. My 6S+ feels great while resting in my palm vs the Note 3 but I hate the lack of grip on the sides.

In my opinion the Note 3 had the best "feel" of any phone I've ever had. It could of been better if they didn't make the corners so sharp or put softer rubber for the corners.
 
T4rd said:
3. Front facing speakers - After having my M8, I won't own a phone without these anymore
4. Marshmallow's battery improvements, at least for the next 4-6 months, just in time for the next Android revision to come out.
5. More internal storage for the money - 128 GB 6P is still almost $200 cheaper than a 32GB Edge+, which only goes up to 64GB for another $100 premium.

You can get split screen through 3rd party apps and the camera seems just marginally better on the Samsung phones. For some reason the UFS memory on the Note5/Edge+ memory benched considerably slower than the S6/S6 Edge phones too on Anandtech's review, so that narrows the gap in the storage speeds.

But as always; different strokes for different folks. If I already had a Note5/Edge+, I would probably not even consider getting a different phone for at least a year or so. Hardware is getting to the point where it has negligible impact on general UI performance. I just watched a multitasking vid that shows the 6P keep up with and even barely beat the iPhone 6S even though the 6S destroys it in most bench tests. So now it's basically down to software preferences and hardware design to fit your preference. There's plenty of choices out there for everyone. I do think the $100 price premium on the Edge+ over the Note5 is absurd though, considering the edge features are basically useless compared to the features you lose over the Note5
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Some good points but :
1. I cant buy the Note 5 in the UK, (Has to be from my carrier for futureproofing. i.e. volte being enabled)
2. The battery features of nexus 6p/marshmallow havent improved anything for now. On everyday usage the s6 edge plus still lasts longer even witb a smaller battery, lollipop, touchwiz.

I also dont like the fact that wireless charging was in the nexus 6 and not the 6p. A huge step backwards for me.
 
Rash said:
Some good points but :
2. The battery features of nexus 6p/marshmallow havent improved anything for now. On everyday usage the s6 edge plus still lasts longer even witb a smaller battery, lollipop, touchwiz.
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Maybe in active usage or screen-on time, but standby time is improved significantly with the new Doze feature in marshmallow. From what I've seen, the phone normally only loses about 1% every 2 hours while in standby. But even then in active use, the 6P seems to be competitive with the Note5/Edge+, esp in light usage. Here's the charts from Arstechnica:

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Rash said:
I also dont like the fact that wireless charging was in the nexus 6 and not the 6p. A huge step backwards for me.
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I'm not trying to change your mind or anything cause it is your phone and you're the one who has to be pleased with it. But I would like to point out that wireless charging with a metal backplate is not yet possible due to interference, etc. You can only do wireless charging non-metal backing such as plastic and glass. So if the "premium looks and feel" of metal is important to you, it's just not possible.

I could see that a company with a huge logo in the back could make the logo glass or plastic and put the wireless charging mechanism behind it. Is there an Android manufacturer with a large image logo? (Obviously, Apple ain't doing it.)

Also, wireless charging is not as efficient as wired charging yet. I give it about 3 years before the difference isn't great enough for me to care.
 
So I just decided to look up the Nits for comparable Android screens after noticing T4rd's posted charts being done in a very low 200 nits. Is this phones max brightness really 350 nits? Did they only make the phone usable from a desk?

The Note 3 had a release max brightness of 360 nits and it was terrible. After the patch they had an "outdoor" setting I think you could only get with the auto setting of 600'ish nits.
 
Trimlock said:
So I just decided to look up the Nits for comparable Android screens after noticing T4rd's posted charts being done in a very low 200 nits. Is this phones max brightness really 350 nits? Did they only make the phone usable from a desk?

The Note 3 had a release max brightness of 360 nits and it was terrible. After the patch they had an "outdoor" setting I think you could only get with the auto setting of 600'ish nits.
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I think it was the Droid Life review where I read that if you simply max out the brightness level on the phone manually, they said the 6P doesn't get very bright at all. But if you turn on auto-brightness (or "ambient" maybe in the settings), then the screen gets MUCH brighter. I know at least they said they had no issues using the phone outdoors in sunlight or anything. So I'm sure wherever you read that, they didn't compensate for this by enabling that and testing it. It seems most phones are like this too though.
 
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CHANG3D said:
I'm not trying to change your mind or anything cause it is your phone and you're the one who has to be pleased with it. But I would like to point out that wireless charging with a metal backplate is not yet possible due to interference, etc. You can only do wireless charging non-metal backing such as plastic and glass. So if the "premium looks and feel" of metal is important to you, it's just not possible.

I could see that a company with a huge logo in the back could make the logo glass or plastic and put the wireless charging mechanism behind it. Is there an Android manufacturer with a large image logo? (Obviously, Apple ain't doing it.)

Also, wireless charging is not as efficient as wired charging yet. I give it about 3 years before the difference isn't great enough for me to care.
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No probs at all. I always appreciate peoples opinions and enjoy the discussion. I think if the 6p had wireless charging i would probably have swayed that way. I appreciate the metal back looking nice but to me its the front that matters. The first thing i do when i get a new phone is cover the back up with a case. An official wireless charging case for the 6p would be nice.

Im also impressed with samsungs fast wireless charging pad which charges the phone almost as fast as a wired quick charger.
 
I wouldn't get the S6 edge or edge+, while they both look pretty cool, the corners are pretty sharp and handling can get kind of awkward at times. The "edge" being on the back like the Note 5 is a much better design.
 
Well guys, my hand was forced.


my m8 had its screen warped in the center and it cracked yesterday. I was FORCED to upgrade, and what pray tell did I get?

Yes, the gold platinum s6 edge plus.


But truth be told, I feel empty and hollow now. Every time I whip it out in front of other people, it is so far and away superior in terms of design, I feel like I am assaulting them like I've taken each and every one of their phones to a pig party where their phones are the pig.

But I got over that, and now I can gaze into my precious.

latest




Speaking of which, that is the single flaw of these phones aesthetics, the fact that it does not have that incantation inscribed on the back in golden letters of varying intensity of glowing.
 
tybert7 said:
Every time I whip it out in front of other people, it is so far and away superior in terms of design, I feel like I am assaulting them like I've taken each and every one of their phones to a pig party where their phones are the pig.
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Lol, that was painful to read.
 
mi7chy said:
I've used them all. Stock Android is like a stock car with no options, no power windows, no AC, no remote lock/unlock, etc. If I'm reading a long article on my Nexus device I have to remember to touch the screen every so often otherwise the screen dims/turns off but not so on Touchwiz with Eye Stay. Also, no multiwindow, no extended pen features, etc. on stock Android.

USB-C makes no sense since it means throwing out your existing micro USB wall and car chargers or deal with adapters. Worse of all people are already ruining their USB-C connector on phone by accidentally inserting a micro USB cable. Just a bunch of cons but no real pro.

Nexus hardware is usually on the crappy and ugly side. I'll let others beta test Android M then when it's stable I'll accept the update on better hardware.
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Well said.

mi7chy said:
Post add-ons usually don't work as well as factory. Case in point, trying to mimic Eye Stay on Nexus didn't work reliably. Same goes for mimicking Moto Active Display, Note pen-to-text transcription, etc. A lot of the zealotry is not based on facts but chest thumping and false superiority complex with running AOSP. Reality is stock Android is featureless. OEM stock with everything working is better than Cyanogenmod. Tried CM for a number of years but there's always something basic that didn't work so returned to OEM stock. And, if you think Moto is better think again. I had to disable 38 apps on Moto vs 29 on Touchwiz and there's no difference in experience. Any noticeable difference in experience has more to do with crappier hardware.
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And again.

I too purchased a GS6E+, coming from an M8. I checked out all the flagships, and always gravitated back to the E+. After purchasing the E+, Verizon released the Turbo 2 and the LG V10. I again went back to Verizon to check them out (after hearing all the bloggers cream their pants). I was not impressed at all. They're nice phones, with some nifty features, but no where near as premium or attractive as the E+. I also have no problems with TW.

On previous Android phones, I would unlock the boot loader and root. I consider myself a flashaholic and flashed often. I would flash stock, GPE and CM roms. In the end, I always wound up back on Sense or TW roms.
 
T4rd said:
I think it was the Droid Life review where I read that if you simply max out the brightness level on the phone manually, they said the 6P doesn't get very bright at all. But if you turn on auto-brightness (or "ambient" maybe in the settings), then the screen gets MUCH brighter. I know at least they said they had no issues using the phone outdoors in sunlight or anything. So I'm sure wherever you read that, they didn't compensate for this by enabling that and testing it. It seems most phones are like this too though.
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Probably, I read a few articles about this and it seems their auto brightness does get much brighter.
 
oops I better throw away this perfectly good Lumia 830 with 128GB SD card I mean after all according to the OP it's no good anymore

/sarcasm
 
Am I the only one who thinks a curved-edge display like this is one of the stupidest fucking ideas ever? Why would you want screen distortion at the edges?
 
Speaking of curved edges, the Edge phones are obviously bad but even the current crop of phones (iPhone 6, Note 5, etc.) often have curved glass on the sides making it difficult to apply a regular screen protector and nearly impossible to apply edge to edge tempered glass screen protectors.


Although I'm not pleased with the SD810 throttling in my Nexus 6P, I'm definitely glad the (same as Note 5) AMOLED on the N6P has a sheet of flat glass in front of it.
 
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