The 2015 Sony TV Thread

There's no backlight bleed that I could see last night. You can see a bit of glow in the corners but it disappears as you move your head. I'm guessing this is just due to the size and the panel type.

It's nothing that would bother me as it's really faint.
 
The only issue I have now apart from needing the new firmware is that Windows still reporting the tv as being native 1080p.

I have no idea how to fix that. Could maybe be a firmware issue as well maybe.
 
Are 1080p full screen games playable with anti aliasing or graphics looks very bad?
 
No it looks great. A lot better than I thought it would.

Just tried Elder Scrolls Online in 1080P @ 120hz with the nvidia optimal settings and it looks very good.
 
Are there both pc mode and game mode or what settings do you use your screen? Do you have dead or stuck pixels? Build quality good?
 
There's no PC mode. I'm using Game mode. Not tried anything else.

I haven't looked for pixel defects, I'm not sure I want to lol.

Build quality is superb. The stand and bezel are metal, back is plastic. Feels and looks very good.
 
Brigante said:
No it looks great. A lot better than I thought it would.

Just tried Elder Scrolls Online in 1080P @ 120hz with the nvidia optimal settings and it looks very good.
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Hi Brigante, how's the input lag? Which model are you using?
 
nomas said:
Hi Brigante, how's the input lag? Which model are you using?
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I can't tell any difference between my old monitor which had 25ms and the Sony screen. I don't play any twitch games though so your experience might be different.

I've tried Elder Scrolls Online both at 1080p @ 120hz and 4K @ 60hz and both feel great. 4K looks amazing.

My version is http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/x8300c-series specifically X8305C.

We get X8305, X8307 and X8309 here the only difference is the interpolation motion rate which I'm not using anyway so I went with the cheapest one.
 
Does anyone know if the Sony 43X830C should show up in Windows as a 1080 monitor?

See these images of the Windows resolution window and Nvidia control panel.

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1080 shows up as the recommended resolution. I've seen people with Samsung TV's for example and their TV's show up as 3840 x 2160 (native) in Nvidia control panel.
 
Purchased a 43X830C today, but I have mixed feelings about it and it may get returned. However, I thought I'd relay my experience here and see if anyone has any tips that might blunt the downsides of the display.

Brigante is correct about the build quality. The stand is solid and only raises the screen about 1.5" above my desk. It is surprisingly thin and light.

The display is excellent for work. I didn't think I was sensitive to PWM, but the occasional eye strain I'd get after staring at the screen for hours didn't happen today. I also appreciate that the brightness can actually be changed (or set to respond to ambient light) without making a horrible buzzing noise like my Seiki 39" does. There is some glow and flashlighting at the corners, as well as some noticeable uniformity issues, but I haven't found a dead or stuck pixel yet. It passes 4:4:4 image tests in game mode and doesn't drop frames at 1080p120hz. There isn't' any noticeable input lag to me, but I'm not a twitch gamer. Other sites have said that it's below 40ms, though.

The two major issues I have with it are 1) it displays artifacts when set to 1080p120hz, which look like multicolored horizontal lines that appear and disappear sporadically. It is stable for me without artifacts at 96hz and 100hz, haven't tried higher yet; and 2) the TV does identify itself as 1080p to the OS, which apparently makes OS X think that it shouldn't be allowed to run HiDPI resolutions. I could probably work with the lack of scaling at 4k if I brought the display closer, but it's going to be an annoying several hours trying to play with SwitchResX etc. to get back the functionality I already have on the Seiki.

The motion clarity setting are amusing. You can crank them to max in a very dark room, as it severely dims the display, and you can actually see the TestUFO guys face as it runs past at 120hz, but it does introduce a slight lagging trail image.

I will say that it is a gorgeous display on the whole, but whether it's worth what I paid compares to the Seiki I already is something I'll have to consider a while longer. Gaming at 4k is gorgeous, but even with a 980 I'm averaging about 50fps, and to be honest I've gotten used to 120fps in the games where I can get it.
 
hannibl said:
The two major issues I have with it are 1) it displays artifacts when set to 1080p120hz, which look like multicolored horizontal lines that appear and disappear sporadically. It is stable for me without artifacts at 96hz and 100hz, haven't tried higher yet;
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Buy a really quality HDMI cable and shorten the length. My displays were ALWAYS doing this.

Don't use any adaptors, just like.. a 5 foot cable (max) and make sure its really well shielded ect.

This will probably fix your artifacting woes.
 
hannibl said:
The two major issues I have with it are 1) it displays artifacts when set to 1080p120hz, which look like multicolored horizontal lines that appear and disappear sporadically. It is stable for me without artifacts at 96hz and 100hz, haven't tried higher yet;
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I haven't seen the this on mine. Might be your cable like Marm0t said. I'm using this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/PLATINUM-Version-High-Speed-ETHERNET-PANASONIC/dp/B002HJ69DO/

Regarding the EU firmware, it was meant to be released today but has been pushed back to the 28th October.

I played a few more games last night a bit more extended and at 4K it's such an amazing feeling compared to my 1200p!
 
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I can confirm that after todays firmware update the EU model of X830C does 4K@60hz@4:4:4

Very happy now!
 
Do you feel more input lag with 4:4:4 support?
With new firmware does 1080p/120hz stilll works well?
Where did you got new firmware? EU Sony homepage still only show older firmware.
 
No change in lag.

Not tried 1080@120hz yet. Might get a chance to try later tonight.

You can only get it through the TV itself still. Sony wasn't meant to release it today but faced a storm of complains on their forums so gave in.

I'm very happy they did, I couldn't be happier with this screen now. I'm so glad I didn't pay almost double for the Samsung I was thinking of.
 
Tried to get 1080p@120hz working but the screen just flashes once then goes back to the previous resolution. Not sure if I need to step down to 4:2:0 maybe? That's what the max was before the firmware update.

Didn't have time to play around with it too much but from this initial test it seems like no 1080p@120hz@4:4:4.

I'll experiment a bit more when I have more time.
 
Thats sad because seems like similar problem like that person before in this thread talked about and he had USA model with that 4:4:4 support.
 
Brigante said:
Tried to get 1080p@120hz working but the screen just flashes once then goes back to the previous resolution. Not sure if I need to step down to 4:2:0 maybe? That's what the max was before the firmware update.

Didn't have time to play around with it too much but from this initial test it seems like no 1080p@120hz@4:4:4.

I'll experiment a bit more when I have more time.
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Have you looked into flashing the NA firmware on the EU hardware?

I can't see how that would effect it negatively, although i can understand why you wouldn't want to do it with your shiny new TV.

Good luck bro and i hope they push the NA firmware capability out to you soon.
 
Why he need to North-America(NA?) firmware when he got same 4:4:4 support firmware now for EU model? We saw person from USA with same TV in here and he said that he have problems with 1080P/120hz with USA firmware.
 
Seems just like that when these TV got 4:4:4 support then they lose 120hz/1080p support @ 4:4:4
 
1080p120hz works for me, but has artifacting. I'll be getting a new set of HDMI cables tomorrow and will report back. Interestingly, when I go into that setting, it changes the color listing from YCbCr 4:4:4 to RGB in the nVidia control panel.

The panel is growing on me a bit, though I still haven't found a way to get HiDPI settings to work in OS X. Disabled SIP, played with SwitchResX, and ran the usual terminal commands to enable it with no luck. There is a complicated guide on the tonymacx86 forums that I haven't attempted yet, but I may be able to find the time to fiddle with it again soon.

Part of my use for this display is to display media at an 8 ft distance and it does fall a bit short there. The blacks are not great on this display and I find myself noticing the flashlighting at the corners in darker scenes, or with movies that aren't 16:9.
 
Even with new HDMI cable the artifacting persists at 1080p120hz. The ones I had been using handled 1080p120hz on my Seiki fine and the pixel clock and data throughput for 4k60 is way higher, so I think it's the display itself.

I managed to get HiDPI output in OS X by scaling to a 16:10 resolution. I actually kind of prefer it for a display this size.

It also picks up more glare than the Seiki does. I think this one might be going back tomorrow, despite its positive qualities. At this point it's almost OLED or bust.
 
I'm still very happy with mine. I was never really interested in 1080p@120 so not a big deal for me. As a 4K though it's great. Not found anything I don't like to be honest now when the firmware is fixed. Think I'll be keeping this one for a long time.
 
Quick update. I did a factory reset of the TV and now 1080p@120hz@4:4:4 works again.

Like hannibl though I get some artifacts. Like short white lines that appear and disappear very quickly along the middle of the screen.

It must be a firmware issue though as I didn't have the artifacts before the upgrade. I'll try to report it on the official forums. Doubt that'd be a priority for sony though as it's not a common use of the TV.
 
Brigante, glad to hear you got 120hz to work. Try using an all black background and look for the artifacting. I noticed those short white horizontal lines you described, but they were present all over the TV, most noticeable on black. Didn't matter too much, though, as I much preferred 4k60 gaming on that display. 60 hz was more acceptable on that display because motion was generally better.

I did end up returning mine today. Couldn't justify the expense when the Seiki is as good or better for my use case, with the notable exception of the lack of PWM. I think I'm a convert on that front.

I also looked at the other viable offerings more closely in person today. The most tempting was the Sony x850 and x900, as the VA panels just seem to be better at this point. I noticed the IPS glow more than I noticed the VA gamma shift on my ~40" screens and found it difficult to notice any gamma shift today in the showroom. The only issue with those panels is that they are 55" minimum, which is probably slightly too large for me. The LG OLEDs looked alright, but that was largely because they weren't displaying proper 4k media. Blacks were fantastic. I'll probably keep an eye on x850 prices and wait until 2016.
 
Seems like I wait too. Never had change to try 120hz and I want it to try, but if x830c dont support it well then I better wait and only buy 43' 'x830c when it cost about 500-600€ (right now here 930€) Your Seiki was VA panel too and loved it more than IPS? Even colors?
Edit: Did your Seiki did 120hz/1080p with 4:4:4 support?
 
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Good luck both of you with your searches. Hopefully 2016 will bring new models with less compromises.
 
Maybe 120hz/1080p only works without 4:4:4 support? Maybe you can try it if thats not big problem?
 
Sure will try that for you. It doesn't actually make much difference in games apart from on text.
 
Done some testing now. No matter what I try I can't get rid of the artifacts when using 1080p@120hz. Tried switching off the enhanced HDMI signal to step down to 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 but makes no difference.

This is what makes me think it's a firmware issue.
 
Thanks for testing. I still keep eyes on this TV because its still best budget TV what you can buy for PC usage. Please let us updated if there come new firmware updates. After some usage do you still love your TV and glossy screen still wouldn't ruin your usage during daytime?
 
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