Male Engineering Student Explains Why Female Classmates Aren't His Equals

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I may get hate mail for this, but my first thought was that this guy just wants to get laid.

Mauldin, who also teaches tech classes to students from fourth to eighth grade, told The Huffington Post he frequently sees women and girls face obstacles in STEM fields. He described a situation with one friend in particular who was treated differently in a calculus class simply because she is a woman. Mauldin said that male students were hypercritical of her work and often talked over her, if acknowledging her at all.
 
tl;dr that one

"Katy Perry On Her REAL Hair Color: 'I'm Dishwater Squirrel Brown'" :eek: she's not a natural blue hair?
 
Excuse, me, but the underlying article is a letter to the editor for a STUDENT newspaper for one of the worst universities in the Pacific Northwest.

Slow news day, indeed. Eastern Washington University isn't even RANKED on any top engineering school lists. I'm going to pretend you didn't post this. A whiny mechanical engineering student gets to front page of [H] for a letter to his school newspaper's editor?
 
From what I understand it, he in no detail went into if these women in the fields were CORRECT, and yes, people will be hypercritical if you're wrong.

The seems like your standard "We need ways to make men look sexist" tripe the media loves spinning these days, yet we only got hearsay and not from the women themselves.

I'd like to know their GPA's, cause if they're quite low, then no wonder classmates are speaking up over them.
 
Also the "Two thirds of the women in stem are pushed around"

Yeah, ok.

And 1 in 4 women in America is raped.

God I just wish we could go back to TMNT's beating up ninja robots............
 
"Calculus" class was the only specific class mentioned. Since when is Calculus an engineering class? Most people have to take that class, and a lot of idiots are in that class. If he were talking about upper division engineering courses (junior or senior classes) he may have a point, but this just sounds like more garbage.
 
I went to a decent engineering university in the 90's. The ladies were treated VERY well in engineering school and most of them were very smart.

In Calculus in many universities, engineering students are looked down on as second rate (as most math is taught by mathematics professors). This is part of school, dealing with bad teachers.

You have to have a certain mindset for STEM. Many men do not have it. Many ladies do not as well. We need to accept people and genders are different (not worse just not the same at all tasks) and get over this PC junk.
 
J Macker said:
Excuse, me, but the underlying article is a letter to the editor for a STUDENT newspaper for one of the worst universities in the Pacific Northwest.

Slow news day, indeed. Eastern Washington University isn't even RANKED on any top engineering school lists. I'm going to pretend you didn't post this. A whiny mechanical engineering student gets to front page of [H] for a letter to his school newspaper's editor?
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I had to Google the school, you're correct that it's a fourth tier toilet.
 
so he thinks that people are equal because of their sex? Most people in tough fields are either there because they want to be or they have no idea what they want. That second includes being with their significant other. That is the wrong point to start from. Most of the people in those fields treat all their classmates badly because of publish or die.
 
J Macker said:
Excuse, me, but the underlying article is a letter to the editor for a STUDENT newspaper for one of the worst universities in the Pacific Northwest.

Slow news day, indeed. Eastern Washington University isn't even RANKED on any top engineering school lists. I'm going to pretend you didn't post this. A whiny mechanical engineering student gets to front page of [H] for a letter to his school newspaper's editor?
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Damn bruh...Tell us how you really feel?


:p
 
Well its a tough pill to swallow for us as men to admit but he's wrong. Women are superior to men. If you don't believe me, remember they will always ask for Women and Children first on a sinking ship.
 
Krenum said:
Well its a tough pill to swallow for us as men to admit but he's wrong. Women are superior to men. If you don't believe me, remember they will always ask for Women and Children first on a sinking ship.
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I am under no illusion that men could be rendered obsolete. I am fine with it actually.
 
Krenum said:
Well its a tough pill to swallow for us as men to admit but he's wrong. Women are superior to men. If you don't believe me, remember they will always ask for Women and Children first on a sinking ship.
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Nope, ships sinking, I'm getting a seat on the lifeboat.

I will not feel guilty from outdated practices.
 
ShamisOMally said:
Nope, ships sinking, I'm getting a seat on the lifeboat.

I will not feel guilty from outdated practices.
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Women and children first is actually a fairly big myth when it comes to sinking ships. While it's true that the Titanic did follow this, that's actually the aberration. Typically, it's every man for himself, and children are the very least likely to survive, followed by women. And captain's also seldom go down with the ship. The crew & captain of a ship tend to have a high survival rate compared to everyone else.
 
Women didn't start having problem in tech until the SJWs/Feminists took over. In the early days of computing, many of the original programmers were women (e.g. Grace Hopper).
 
damicatz said:
Women didn't start having problem in tech until the SJWs/Feminists took over. In the early days of computing, many of the original programmers were women (e.g. Grace Hopper).
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To be completely fair, it was because of men who tried to rid the programming world of women in order to help their position. Now, this isn't necessarily a 100% male chauvinist attitude, as in the beginning, programmers and computers (the human computers, not the mechanical ones), were disrespected and considered the replaceable and lowly educated ones, mainly because they were comprised of a lot of women. When the field became primarily men, the respect for programmers also rose. Unfortunately, this lead to a boy's club attitude. Though, I do agree that the SJW/Feminists certainly don't help.
 
I'm a mechanical engineering grad from the University of Washington, and didn't even know Eastern WA University even had an engineering program. 15 years in the industry, and I've never knowingly run across a single Eastern grad.

From my perspective it looked like the few female students actually had an advantage because they were much more willing to voice their opinions in class, and always seemed to be more involved in study groups. I also noticed more (all iirc) of them were able to find permanent employment before graduation.
 
xIronCrossx said:
"Calculus" class was the only specific class mentioned. Since when is Calculus an engineering class? Most people have to take that class, and a lot of idiots are in that class. If he were talking about upper division engineering courses (junior or senior classes) he may have a point, but this just sounds like more garbage.
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Maybe things have changed, but when I went to college, only Science majors (which includes Engineering and CS) had to take calculus. Some business students took some business version of Calc, but it wasn't the same class. Honestly, why would a history major take Calc? Most CS majors will never use it outside of college. A History major won't use it after the final.
 
Gotta love how "they" always say women are put down. yet anywhere i see a women in any engineering or manufacturing zone... they get the top shelf treatment. Much like in "real life". Women enters. Men swoon. I puke.
 
HoffY said:
Gotta love how "they" always say women are put down. yet anywhere i see a women in any engineering or manufacturing zone... they get the top shelf treatment. Much like in "real life". Women enters. Men swoon. I puke.
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I know women who've worked at companies where a manager has said, in a meeting, in front of her, that he didn't think women should be engineers.

I've not seen anything that forward, but I have had co-workers who were excellent and it took going to HR to get a promotion. Sometimes discrimination isn't blatant...and sometimes it is. Either way the end result is the same.

Note that I've also worked in companies where women are promoted, so I can see why some don't believe this is a real problem.
 
"Look at me, oppressed STEM women, look at me!"

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how dare them womenfolks try and learn the maths

there ought a be a law
 
One thing not mentioned here is studies have shown that if you treat a man and a woman equally, you are viewed or perceived as being sexist towards the woman by not treating her 'better'.

When you treat them equally and they the observers are told in advance that you are treating them equally in the name of equality, that's the only factor that will cause male and female observers to believe you are actually treating them equally. People perceive the same actions towards a man and a woman as inherently sexist. I can't help but wonder if the author is away of studies suggesting this.

They may have in fact been treating the women the exact same way....
 
Wrecked Em said:
I'm a mechanical engineering grad from the University of Washington, and didn't even know Eastern WA University even had an engineering program. 15 years in the industry, and I've never knowingly run across a single Eastern grad.

From my perspective it looked like the few female students actually had an advantage because they were much more willing to voice their opinions in class, and always seemed to be more involved in study groups. I also noticed more (all iirc) of them were able to find permanent employment before graduation.
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Shhhhhh...........

Don't contaminate a good story people can politically exploit with the truth.
 
My biggest issue with that article, was that he lumped all women into one category, and that category is the "poor oppressed minority" category. Look, I get that boys and girls are treated different, however it's been quite a few years (decades) since I was in school, but boys and girls were not treated differently as far as not getting math, hell I remember specifically one parent/teacher meeting I had with a 7th grade pre-algebra teacher and she said "I am not the type of person who will get math" bitch couldn't have been more wrong, but more importantly that phrase is said to more than just women, it just becomes the useful excuse in articles like this.

Much like any group that feels like they're being oppressed, they really are being treated equally, it's just others don't get to use their failure as an excuse to declare oppression.
 
As someone who holds a degree in mechanical engineering, I'll say I never once saw any man in my faculty disrespect a woman simply for being a woman. Not once in my four year degree time span (five if you include my internship). As a matter of fact, our faculty had the strange distinction of electing female presidents for three consecutive terms despite the fact we had the least number of female students per population at the school.
 
nilepez said:
I know women who've worked at companies where a manager has said, in a meeting, in front of her, that he didn't think women should be engineers.
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Question, did he do anything to impede women from becoming engineers? if not, then so fucking what?
 
xIronCrossx said:
"Calculus" class was the only specific class mentioned. Since when is Calculus an engineering class? Most people have to take that class, and a lot of idiots are in that class. If he were talking about upper division engineering courses (junior or senior classes) he may have a point, but this just sounds like more garbage.
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Calculus is a VERY broad subject.

The very basic concepts of Limits, sums, derivation and integration may not be Engineering only class, but for some courses, things like Partial Differential equations, are much more advanced and Engineering relevant, yet still called Calculus (or rather, under the heading of Advanced Calculus).
 
nilepez said:
I know women who've worked at companies where a manager has said, in a meeting, in front of her, that he didn't think women should be engineers.

I've not seen anything that forward, but I have had co-workers who were excellent and it took going to HR to get a promotion. Sometimes discrimination isn't blatant...and sometimes it is. Either way the end result is the same.

Note that I've also worked in companies where women are promoted, so I can see why some don't believe this is a real problem.
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The fact you have assumed that what i said meant i didn't believe it to be a problem... is why its a bigger problem in media's eye then any other discrimination, that isn't any less important, but never gets a mention because... louder = more important.
 
WBurchnall said:
One thing not mentioned here is studies have shown that if you treat a man and a woman equally, you are viewed or perceived as being sexist towards the woman by not treating her 'better'.

When you treat them equally and they the observers are told in advance that you are treating them equally in the name of equality, that's the only factor that will cause male and female observers to believe you are actually treating them equally. People perceive the same actions towards a man and a woman as inherently sexist. I can't help but wonder if the author is away of studies suggesting this.

They may have in fact been treating the women the exact same way....
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Nailed it. I continually get this very same treatment and when i yell out "sexism.. there's my equality".. i just get ignored.

Here's a simple example... Say you wish to meet a long time friend that lives across the world. Instead of doing the fair thing and meeting half way, at an agreed best-for-all location. It is said that you must go to their country because you're the man, and that's how it is.

Hmmm ummm nope. That's just how they want it... equal rights.... but only when it suits.
 
Many seem to mingle the meaning of 'fair' and 'equal'.

I think a lot of the problem lies in the perception that 'fair' and 'equal' are not the same thing, not by a long shot.

Equal is objective, fair is subjective. What is equal to one must be equal to another if it is truly equal. Everyone will have their (often diverging) opinion on what is 'fair'.
 
Oops, I meant to say:


"I think a lot of the problem lies in the perception that 'fair' and 'equal' are the same when in fact they are not, not by a long shot."
 
So what you're saying is. If my Dad cooks a nice juicy steak on the BBQ and wants to be fair and give my brother and i equal parts, and cuts it exactly in half for us. That we got equal parts... but its not fair as long as i whinge about it being not fair? :p
 
chenw said:
Many seem to mingle the meaning of 'fair' and 'equal'.

I think a lot of the problem lies in the perception that 'fair' and 'equal' are not the same thing, not by a long shot.

Equal is objective, fair is subjective. What is equal to one must be equal to another if it is truly equal. Everyone will have their (often diverging) opinion on what is 'fair'.
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But.... how is getting paid more fair or equal? From what I hear is that women are only equal if they get paid more. Which isn't fair or equal.

And it sure as hell isn't equal opportunity which is what we should be striving for in any case, not equal of outcome, because then, we'd just be communists, and communism will always fail with human nature around.
 
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