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Terry Myerson, Executive Vice President of Microsoft's Windows and Devices Group, took to the company blog to address Windows 10 privacy concerns.

Trust is a core pillar of our More Personal Computing vision, and we know we have to earn it. We’ve taken time to expand the documentation on our approach today with this blog, and new content we’re posting today for consumers and IT Pros, designed to complement our One Microsoft Privacy Policy. We look forward to the next round of questions and feedback on these new posts. I assure you that no other company is more committed, more transparent and listening harder to customers on this important topic than we are.
 
Interesting.

The domain name of this blog fails to resolve on my end. so I can't read it :(
 
2. You are in control with the ability to determine what information is collected.
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Lie.

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Pretty much exactly what's in the EULAs for Windows 10 and Microsoft's services.

What's really becoming interesting to me about this privacy debate and that of forced updates is how these things are coupled with widely accepted practices in modern software development. Aside, continuous improvement (Kaizen), continuous updating (SaS), automatic testing and analytics, device independent services and cloud storage, leverage of personal data for personalization and new features, ate.
 
gxp500 said:
Lie.
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The addressed that....

Microsoft said:
1. Safety and Reliability Data
We collect a limited amount of information to help us provide a secure and reliable experience. This includes data like an anonymous device ID, device type, and application crash data which Microsoft and our developer partners use to continuously improve application reliability. This doesn’t include any of your content or files, and we take several steps to avoid collecting any information that directly identifies you, such as your name, email address or account ID.

A great example of how this data was used effectively was just last month, when aggregate data showed us that a particular version of a graphics driver was crashing on some Windows 10 PCs, which then caused a reboot. This driver was not widely used, but still the issue was impacting customers. We immediately contacted the partner who builds the driver and worked with them to turn around a fix to Windows Insiders within 24 hours. We used the data on Insiders’ devices to confirm that the problem was resolved, and then rolled out the fix to the broad public via an update the next day – all-in-all, this data helped us find, fix and resolve a significant problem within 48 hours.

Our enterprise feature updates later this year will enable enterprise customers the option to disable this telemetry, but we strongly recommend against this.
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heatlesssun said:
Pretty much exactly what's in the EULAs for Windows 10 and Microsoft's services.

What's really becoming interesting to me about this privacy debate and that of forced updates is how these things are coupled with widely accepted practices in modern software development. Aside, continuous improvement (Kaizen), continuous updating (SaS), automatic testing and analytics, device independent services and cloud storage, leverage of personal data for personalization and new features, etc..
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Arg, hit send too soon. :eek:

Maybe the guys that came up with Agile and all of this other stuff work for the NSA or something but the software development world is FILLED with books and training on all of this stuff. Windows n such and
 
Gunnerwolf said:
The addressed that....
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I think his point was that users *aren't* in control about what data is collected and sent to Microsoft. I don't think he is debating the potential upsides of telemetry, rather he is taking issue with the statement that you (the user) can know and control what information is sent.
 
Basically 10 is an information collecting conduit for MS.
How nice would it be to turn everything off you don't want or need and just have a OS for your own personal use and how you see fit?
The option should be there if you have no use for cortana or giving MS feedback.
 
Mohonri said:
I think his point was that users *aren't* in control about what data is collected and sent to Microsoft. I don't think he is debating the potential upsides of telemetry, rather he is taking issue with the statement that you (the user) can know and control what information is sent.
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You can control what personally identifying and personal data is sent. I get that some folks freak out about even the Basic telemetry but as far as privacy concerns go almost everyone is at exponentially more privacy risk from hacked web sites or local malware.
 
We are "in control" as long as we dig into the deep trenches of Windows settings try to disable it all. How about instead they make it off by default, or when in the settings you chose to disable data reporting, it actually does so through the entirety of the OS, and not just the more visible parts.

Even after going through the custom settings in the setup, there were 3-4 other options I had to disable in the new control panel, and even then I could see windows error reporting and some other services make network connections. Ended up just blocking it all in my firewall, then ultimately rolling back to 8 + StartIsBack. Nothing gained in 10, nothing lost rolling back except time.
 
ep0x73 said:
Basically 10 is an information collecting conduit for MS.
How nice would it be to turn everything off you don't want or need and just have a OS for your own personal use and how you see fit?
The option should be there if you have no use for cortana or giving MS feedback.
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You don't mean personal use, you mean disconnected use.
 
Oh no! Not my telemetries!! Where is the bitching for Google as they track everything about you from your searches, GPS data, ad network, etc.
 
captainyarr said:
Oh no! Not my telemetries!! Where is the bitching for Google as they track everything about you from your searches, GPS data, ad network, etc.
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If you don't think people bitch about Google you might be in a comatose. Also, worst excuse ever. I can close the browser tab on Google.com and choose not to use Android, but if I have Windows 10 I can't escape spying when it's built into the DNA of the OS.
 
captainyarr said:
Oh no! Not my telemetries!! Where is the bitching for Google as they track everything about you from your searches, GPS data, ad network, etc.
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This must not be bad since those other guys do something like that too!


That defense must hold up pretty nicely in a murder trial or similar, you should give it a try and let us know how it went ;):rolleyes:;)
 
DPI said:
If you don't think people bitch about Google you might be in a comatose. Also, worst excuse ever. I can close the browser tab on Google.com and choose not to use Android, but if I have Windows 10 I can't escape spying when it's built into the DNA of the OS.
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People have gotten pretty fast and loose with the use of the word "spying'. Diagnostic telemetry with no personal info would be hard to leverage in the true sense of what spying means.
 
DPI said:
If you don't think people bitch about Google you might be in a comatose. Also, worst excuse ever. I can close the browser tab on Google.com and choose not to use Android, but if I have Windows 10 I can't escape spying when it's built into the DNA of the OS.
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There are programs like Destroy Window 10 Spying, and DoNotSpy10. So yes: you can escape it. I have turned off every bit of telemetry available to be turned off with those two programs. And you can create firewall rules to eliminate the spying. It can be done.
 
Windows 10 collects information so the product will work better for you.
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Your Feedback Really Does Makes a Difference
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2 bold faced lies to start with :)

After several decades at attempting to make operating systems suddenly our feedback in important ?

Microsoft windows is a monopoly more or less. Why does this double talk end up in embarrassing lies to justify something no one wants to begin with.

Where my feedback was needed before you started all of this nonsense and I could have told you politely yet strong to fuck of with the spyware crap...
 
DPI said:
If you don't think people bitch about Google you might be in a comatose. Also, worst excuse ever. I can close the browser tab on Google.com and choose not to use Android, but if I have Windows 10 I can't escape spying when it's built into the DNA of the OS.
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Really? Where are all the threads here in the forums where people are calling for a ban on google?

You are not escaping Googles tracking when you close a tab. Ever hear of adsense? Nearly every site on the web uses google ads to make money. Every page you hit is tracked. You're a fool if you think Google isn't connecting that to whatever other information they have on you. THAT is their real business. That is the DNA of Google.
 
Revdarian said:
This must not be bad since those other guys do something like that too!


That defense must hold up pretty nicely in a murder trial or similar, you should give it a try and let us know how it went ;):rolleyes:;)
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Yet I never said it was OK did I? Just pointing out the hypocrisy of forum chucklefucks who only cry wolf when it's the "other team" doing it.
 
Golden nuggets in there like:

Myerson says Microsoft does not collect data for advertising purposes. Instead, he says, this data is used to keep Cortana relevant and to "recommend apps you might enjoy."
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Lol, should confuse a few simpletons with that one.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Where my feedback was needed before you started all of this nonsense and I could have told you politely yet strong to fuck of with the spyware crap...
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With a product like Windows, you're going to get conflicting feedback. I think a lot of people are making this subject into something that it's not and missing much of what it is. There's nothing that Microsoft is doing here that's not straight out of modern software development techniques and practices used in billions of personal computing devices.

The group I work in at the bank has been sort of talking about Agile for some time, now there seems to be a push to really go there. What I think is pissing some off isn't what Microsoft did with Windows 10 but the general software development practices used today. Long waterfall development cycles with long lead times and "stable" software coming long testing periods or the idea that personal computing is about local files and processing and no automated telemetry nor some other information gathering just isn't how it goes these days.

In all honesty people who think this stuff is intrusive or nefarious really need to talk to the thinkers around mainstream software development because that's were this stuff is coming from. And it's being taught and practiced around the globe.
 
I'm almost positive every person who has complained about Microsoft's data mining has compromised their personal ifno/security already.

Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Steam, Uplay, GOG. Practically every corporation collects data and spies on your activity. Welcome to 2015 guys time to go off the grid.
 
Wierdo said:
Golden nuggets in there like:



Lol, should confuse a few simpletons with that one.
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There was a bit more to it than that.

2. Personalization Data
We aspire to deliver a delightful and personalized Windows experience to you, which benefits from knowing some things about you to customize your experience, such as knowing whether you are a Seattle Seahawks fan or Real Madrid fan, in order to give you updates on game scores or recommend apps you might enjoy– or remembering the common words you type in text messaging conversations to provide you convenient text completion suggestions. You are in control of the information we collect for these purposes and can update your settings at any time. Note that with new features like Cortana which require more personal information to deliver the full experience, you are asked if you want to turn them on and are given additional privacy customization options.
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Knight_of_BAAWA said:
There are programs like Destroy Window 10 Spying, and DoNotSpy10. So yes: you can escape it. I have turned off every bit of telemetry available to be turned off with those two programs. And you can create firewall rules to eliminate the spying. It can be done.
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When disabling telemetry and phone home features using these apps, do you also dumb down win10 also?
 
PS 4.0 you don't have to be tethered to the Internet to use it so is better. Same goes for all modern shitware that requires Internet activation. I reject the current system and am part of the resistance.
 
rezerekted said:
PS 4.0 you don't have to be tethered to the Internet to use it so is better. Same goes for all modern shitware that requires Internet activation. I reject the current system and am part of the resistance.
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At some point the resistance needs to have some vision of how software is developed, maintained, delivered and it's purpose. There's not one thing that Microsoft is doing here with Windows 10 that I see that isn't in a thousands of books on modern software development. The idea that personal computing is all about disconnected devices, local files and execution is an idea that was fine 20 years. It doesn't seem all that fine today. Even the forced updating is straight out of Agile which is the biggest software construction methodology there is right now.

People can bitch at Microsoft all they want but the ideas here are not new and they aren't going away as these practices are being adopting at accelerating rates across the software industry. There is obviously a huge disconnect here between modern standard practices and those like you. Your beef really isn't with Microsoft but modern software development practices.
 
Remember when a subscription based Windows 10 was the biggest lurking concern about the "gotcha" we'd be looking down the barrel of in exchange for the upgrade being "free".. And MS comes up with this.

Learned today that if you enable Bitlocker encryption on your drive, the key is nabbed by OneDrive. The hits just keep coming.
 
heatlesssun said:
You don't mean personal use, you mean disconnected use.
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Disconnected in the sense that you can browse the internet and not have MS know everything about you or have their OS upload data to better "serve you".

What is a OS? a program/software to get work done, it's not designed to be a spy machine.
 
All MS needed to do to avoid this backlash, and needs to do now to avoid further embarrassment that necessitate further press releases, is add *one* more option to the data collection dropdown:

- FULL
- BASIC
- DISABLED

Done! But ofcourse they won't do that. So instead they'll dick around with this trial balloon bullshit and corporate PR doublespeak for another 6 months, all the while the adoption curve continues to flatten and IT decision-makers put Windows 10 upgrade plans on hold. Bungled Xbox One launch, forced Kinect, Windows 8 launch - they just never learn.
 
heatlesssun said:
There is obviously a huge disconnect here between modern standard practices and those like you. Your beef really isn't with Microsoft but modern software development practices.
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But all of this software distribution model only benefits the shitlords and has zero benefit for me. It is an annoying cluster fuck and I refuse it. Need I remind you of how past DRM schemes have already *stolen* money out of our wallets because they are no longer supported by the OS?
 
DPI said:
Remember when a subscription based Windows 10 was the biggest lurking concern about the "gotcha" we'd be looking down the barrel of in exchange for the upgrade being "free".. And MS comes up with this.
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Microsoft came up with nothing, again this is all standard practices in modern software development.

DPI said:
Learned today that if you enable Bitlocker encryption on your drive, the key is nabbed by OneDrive. The hits just keep coming.
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Not exactly: http://i.imgur.com/GKZUhmW.png. You'd have to you a Microsoft account for the last option to work anyway. For most people, unless they really are paranoid about law enforcement, the OneDrive option is probably best because I guarantee lots of people will lose that key then curse out Microsoft because "They can't even recover drives with their own OS on it!" I store mine this way and I have two factor authentication turned on.
 
rezerekted said:
But all of this software distribution model only benefits the shitlords and has zero benefit for me. It is an annoying cluster fuck and I refuse it. Need I remind you of how past DRM schemes have already *stolen* money out of our wallets because they are no longer supported by the OS?
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I don't know of any money being stolen out of my wallet because of some game I've not played in a decade. Again, you can refuse whatever you chose. But you and others like you haven't offered much against these practices other than let's just keep doing the same things forever.
 
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