Are we ready for 4K gaming?

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sblantipodi

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Hi all,
I'm trying to understand if we are ready for 4K gaming.

Is a GTX980 Ti SLI able to maxout the game at 60FPS at 4K?
Can I play AC Unity, The Witcher 3 at 4K at 60FPS with a GTX980 Ti SLI?
 
1440P is going to be around for a while since it's more practical for gaming and scaling and Frames per Second.
 
sblantipodi said:
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OK, I say it simple way. Its impossible to play all games maxout 60fps. Not all games are well optimized and today world there is a lot games that run terrible on PC because they are cheap console ports.
 
There was a time you could have said the same about HD gaming in general. We'll get there. Nvidia and others just trying to plan ahead.
 
4k is about more than gaming as well. Some people actually use it for getting work done. (Web browsing too :p )
 
No. We're (general gaming populace) not even ready for 1440P. Not even close. You need at least a 980Ti to expect 60FPS in most newer games at 1440P. 1080P, you can get by with a 960 (or even much less). The price difference is substantial.

So when you say "we", I assume you mean the masses. Technically, "we" (this forum) aren't the masses and there will always be early adopters of any expensive tech.
 
sblantipodi said:
so why nvidia continue to talk about 4K since months?
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because you need a very beefy rig to make 4k halfway playable, and they sell you at least 2 980tis for this. if 60 fps is enough for you.

4k - not yet, imo
 
Eh, 4k without AA isn't even that much more demanding than 1440 with AA, and at 4k, it's debatable whether you really need AA.

What we really need are some larger monitors that are 4k AND 120hz+.

60hz fucking sucks.
 
bigbluefe said:
Eh, 4k without AA isn't even that much more demanding than 1440 with AA, and at 4k, it's debatable whether you really need AA.

What we really need are some larger monitors that are 4k AND 120hz+.

60hz fucking sucks.
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What good is 120+ Hz when most hardware is struggling to get 40 FPS in games at decent settings, AA be damned?
 
Comixbooks said:
1440P is going to be around for a while since it's more practical for gaming and scaling and Frames per Second.
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the real problem is that 1440P does not improve image quality.
on average 1440P monitor has a similar doth pitch inch of 1080P monitor,
this means that with 1440P you have a bigger image, not a better one like on a 4K 24 inch monitor.
 
Who the hell want 24'' 4k monitor? Good size for 4k is 40'' and thats same PPI like 27'' 1440p so you need AA too
 
gaming at 60Hz suck due to input lag
and using SLI/CF makes it even worse

imho 1080p is fine even for big monitors or very big HDTV
 
sblantipodi said:
the real problem is that 1440P does not improve image quality.
on average 1440P monitor has a similar doth pitch inch of 1080P monitor,
this means that with 1440P you have a bigger image, not a better one like on a 4K 24 inch monitor.
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It's not really about IQ IMO (even though there is about a ~20 PPI difference which is plenty noticeable to me). It's about screen size. Many people prefer having a larger screen, and 1080P just doesn't work on 27" for sitting up close.
 
I bought a 27" 4K monitor a couple of months ago for general use. I decided playing games at 4K wasn't worth the huge cash outlay considering I'm not much of a PC gamer, so I just bought a GTX 960 for the time being. I figure within a couple of years single GFX cards will be pretty capable of rendering games at 4K.
 
Armenius said:
What good is 120+ Hz when most hardware is struggling to get 40 FPS in games at decent settings, AA be damned?
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Less perceived motion blur due to faster refresh. Add G-Sync on top and it would be pretty nice. As it is we are stuck with 60 Hz at 4K and no single GPU is fast enough to run 4K at high details.

We probably start to see over 60 Hz 4K displays late next year or the one after when DP 1.3 cards and displays are coming out. Until then 1440p it is.
 
Been waiting 6 years to update my original Eyefinity/Surround setup that I use on a daily basis. Went with the Samsung 45" JS9000. Could not be happier.

My 980 SLI struggled to stay up with decent IQ and Framerate. Just got Titan X SLI installed last week and have been really enjoying it so far.

JS9000_First_Setup.jpg
 
At that size, with similar PPI as a 27" 1440P, what's the point other than distancing yourself from the monitor? There shouldn't be any difference.
 
kasakka said:
We probably start to see over 60 Hz 4K displays late next year or the one after when DP 1.3 cards and displays are coming out. Until then 1440p it is.
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Right now the best plan it to pick a "monitor" (really a ~40" TV) that does 4k 60Hz 4:4:4 but can also drop down to 1080p 120Hz for gaming.
 
gunbust3r said:
Right now the best plan it to pick a "monitor" (really a ~40" TV) that does 4k 60Hz 4:4:4 but can also drop down to 1080p 120Hz for gaming.
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yeah if you like massive input lag and motion blur lol. the best (in my opinion, because there is no best because everything has multiple cons) is to have one of the OLED LGs for non-interactive stuff like movies and an XB270HU for games. i don't know if you can use any of the VR devices to emulate a normal monitor viewing experience, but if you could the 120 Hz low persistence OLED project morpheus would probably be a REALLY nice stopgap for gaming until we get the same thing in 27-32" monitor form.
 
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I really would like to see a 32" or so 4K monitor but might settle for a 28" with G-sync. The sharpness in games would look amazing.
 
sblantipodi said:
Hi all,
I'm trying to understand if we are ready for 4K gaming.

Is a GTX980 Ti SLI able to maxout the game at 60FPS at 4K?
Can I play AC Unity, The Witcher 3 at 4K at 60FPS with a GTX980 Ti SLI?
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I play 4K AC Unity and GTA 5 with 980 Ti in SLI. Frames are perfectly stable and i don't notice any hiccup. GTA 5 uses around 8.5GB Video Ram when fully maxed out (this is without AA enabled and only FXAA for both games). MGS V plays super smooth as well. In my opinion 980 Ti in SLI can handle 4K perfectly well as long as you don't raise AA.
 
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What's funny is "4K gaming" could mean playing Gmod Hide'n'Seek at 4K or it could mean maxing out Crysis 3 as 2xSSAA at 60FPS...

Personally, I'm happy to play at <Ultra settings but others may not be, but its not really about what the graphics levels are called, instead you should be thinking about what level of fidelity you are tolerant of. I played though the original Crysis on my AMD 4830, The game's Medium setting ran at ~30 FPS at 900p. I still had fun and it looked better than ANY other game out at the time. I don't really care about what the graphics levels are called. One game's 'ULTRA' is another game's 'medium'... so really asking "can X card run games at ultra 60FPS?" is not the right question. A 980 Ti can play CS: GO at 60FPS with the settings cranked to ULTRA, but that wont look even CLOSE to as good as Crysis 3 at Medium.
 
bigbluefe said:
Eh, 4k without AA isn't even that much more demanding than 1440 with AA, and at 4k, it's debatable whether you really need AA.

What we really need are some larger monitors that are 4k AND 120hz+.

60hz fucking sucks.
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This guy gets it. Been gaming at 4k for a few months now with only sweetfx for AA with basically 40+ FPS in all the games I've played so far. Gonna use a 295x2 to see if freesync is worth it. If not gonna just get some 980 tis. 4k has been playable for a while just need to drop the cash
 
ok thanks guys. I will get a 4k screen then. Probably the Philips 40". Can you tell the difference in 4k CSGO with AA and no AA?
 
k3nnis said:
ok thanks guys. I will get a 4k screen then. Probably the Philips 40". Can you tell the difference in 4k CSGO with AA and no AA?
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On a 40" 4K screen? You'll want some AA. The only thing that can remove the necessity for AA is PPi. the Phillips is 109ppi, which will still need some AA. FXAA will probably be just fine.

on, say, a 27" 4K monitor, you may be able to get rid of AA altogether.
 
ok thanks. I am happy if I can get over 100fps with AA @ 4K in CSGO with a GTX 970 4GB and i5 4690K

and the same applies for league of legends....
 
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