Nothing bigoted about my statement. While you as an individual might have sense, the group as an organization does not and they are in fact the ones who push this kind of garbage. I got bad news for you, when you join a cult, i mean religion you take the good with the bad. You dont get to cherry pick.
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Nothing bigoted about my statement. While you as an individual might have sense, the group as an organization does not and they are in fact the ones who push this kind of garbage. I got bad news for you, when you join a cult, i mean religion you take the good with the bad. You dont get to cherry pick.
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You read nothing about what is going on did you? Or do you just like trolling?
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I don't see how this is a religious issue. This is the government looking for more ways to make money. They will try and tax anything they can and come up with some lame reason for the tax.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot?s=t
I got bad news for you. The shoe fits. Either wear it proudly or take it off and learn to respect the differing beliefs of others. You want to lump me and countless others in with people like Fred Phelps or the narrow-minded minority that passes stupid, pointless legislation like this? It's about as fair as saying all white people belong to the KKK or all blacks are lazy drug-addicted thieves. I have a serious problem that kind of thinking.
Well then you should round up your religious peers' and speak with all of them.
Here's a hurt feelings report.
Once again, you don't understand context. I am perfectly fine with people believing whatever stupid thing they want. Hell my beliefs are stupid to some. The difference? I'm not actively shoving my beliefs on others by forcing them to abide by my rules. My problem with laws like this is this is a demographic forcing their beliefs on others by punishing them monetarily. Sorry but that isn't the definition of bigot. I'm utterly opposed to "moral" and "sin" laws and taxes.
Alabama will be one of the very last states in the country to legalize weed. We can't even get the lottery. Hell... I can't by beer on Sunday.
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As the one and only Phoenix, I have no peers. Also, I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Dekoth-E, who I think is quite capable of speaking his own mind on the subject. Now take your shiny armor and the horse you rode in on and find some other damsel that needs rescue.
In that case, I was mistaken in thinking you to be bigoted. I will blame this on your post being short and the limitations of text. You have my apology for reacting badly to a misunderstanding. I absolutely detest misunderstandings.
I too have a problem with that process... but from both directions. You see... religious - and Christians especially at this point - are being forced by the government to do things that conflict with their faith. Being told you have to bake a cake for a gay wedding that goes against your beliefs and that not doing so is criminal, when there are other places someone can buy a cake, is one recent example. Another is the clerk in Kentucky that was jailed on contempt charges for not processing marriage licenses. Before someone goes off the deep end about it being a government function... she was willing to let her staff process the licenses but with her name not on them because she did not want her name attached to something that was against her beliefs - but the judge refused to allow that. The judge forced this into an "all-or-nothing" situation where "you'll do as your told OR ELSE." So I agree with you in principle here, though I hope you understand that intolerance toward religion can be as much of a problem as religious people being intolerant. Free exercise of religion is a First Amendment right, and nowhere did it ever say that an individual must surrender that right simply because they perform a government function, or that the government has the right to force people to participate in an act of commerce that violates their beliefs. I have as much problem with that as I would Congress passing a law that said everyone had to be [name your faith here] or attend [name your house of worship here]. Even though he's my sworn enemy, I'll defend the rights of Satan worshipers to equal protection under the law before I'd accept a law either mandating or prohibiting any belief.
Actually I am as well. I am against punitive taxes of any kind. Taxes should be levied only for the necessary revenue for functioning of government. Taxing a legal behavior or activity simply because someone disagrees with it is discriminatory. No one group - whether it's a religious group, a social organization, an ethnic group - what have you - should have any more or any fewer rights than any other. I'm just as opposed to this pr0n tax as I am to Hillary's idea of a 25% sin tax on firearms purchases, and the same with the gas guzzler tax on certain vehicles. I'm just as opposed to taxes on alcohol and tobacco - even though I hate them.
I wish they had put it in the Constitution that taxes could not be levied for punitive purposes. That would have prevented stupid crap like this from happening in the first place.
I'm posting on a phone, so my posts of late have been short. Sometimes I fail to properly process my point.
To the point, I'm on your side that the road runs both ways. While I tend to target the Christians as they are largely the worst offenders in this country due to majority and history, I'm just as against the other side doing it as well. Two wrongs don't make a right so to speak. I apply that simple teaching across the board.
A lot of racist heads exploded with anger after the election of the first black president. But at least our economy isn't headed into the shitter, with us loosing 750K jobs a month, like it was when your hero, Bush, was running things from The White House. The fact that's his presidency has elevate the US in the eyes of foreign governments and citizens isn't "a joke' either. We've also had the least amount of war in the last 7 years, but hate on
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This is a "we spend to much money" Tax from the state, no groups are pushing/forcing this, it is one thing to disagree with a point of view, it is another to make false statements about events to try and make it seem as such.
A lot of racist heads exploded with anger after the election of the first black president. But at least our economy isn't headed into the shitter, with us loosing 750K jobs a month, like it was when your hero, Bush, was running things from The White House. The fact that's his presidency has elevate the US in the eyes of foreign governments and citizens isn't "a joke' either. We've also had the least amount of war in the last 7 years, but hate on
Where on earth did you come up with that load of rubbish? I've had nothing but contempt for our last 4+ presidents, all the tools who ran for it and the overwhelming majority of our elected congress. But go on believing whatever delusion convinced you of that. You'll probably just contribute to the real problem this election, and every other one the rest of your life because you're too busy fighting the other party to realize people like you are the source of the problem.
You can believe bullshit if you want, doesn't change reality.
So you would support the right of a Muslim DMV clerk to refuse to issue drivers licenses to women, and the right of a Bhuddist government clerk to refuse to issue gun licenses and hunting licenses?
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Won't make that much of a difference considering Alabama has a lot of goats and sheep who will (unwillingly) take the place of downloadable pr0n.
I support their right to refuse, I also support their employer's right to fire them for it.
Choices have consequences. You are welcome to choose to discriminate in the name of religion, just don't act surprised when it costs you your career.
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The people in Steamy Hot Alabama really are Hard-Core about pr0n. Its Nuts the Length their lawyers must have Put In to the laws with such Lust and Desire to get a Firm Conclusion to that Messy situation.
I reject the notion that any state or government has the authority to issue licenses for :
1.Marriage (Freedom of association)
2.Driving (Freedom of movement)
3.Gun ownership (Freedom of property ownership)
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As nothing about this points to anything religious and simple over spending by the state and them making a money grab wherever they can, I will now consider you a troll and ignore.
You've obviously never been to Alabama if you think this wasn't motivated by religion. If this were a blue state we we talking about I might if thought it as just random. Unfortunately I've spent enough time in that state to understand the culture and its politics. I'm not trolling when I state outright this is a thinly guised sin tax and aimed at morality and protecting the children. Like I said, feel free to believe bullshit if you want. That doesn't change reality.
People don't even realize that Alabama once had a law prohibiting the sale and importation of pornographic material and "sexual/marital aids".
Places that sold 'pornographic paraphernalia" were actively shut down, until someone challenged it.
They cannot be fired, and refusing does not cost them their careers.
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So you're saying all Muslims are sexist? Way to stereotype, and a very poor attempt at baiting me with low-hanging fruit.
If it's against their beliefs, sure, so long as there's an alternative for the person in question to obtain these permits. If a judge orders that person to violate their beliefs without providing an acceptable compromise that accommodates that person and allows the office to function, then I'd have a problem with it. In the case of the clerk in Kentucky, she was willing to compromise and have the permits issued - just without her name attached. The local judge would not accept that and forced her to choose between doing something that violated her First Amendment rights or going to jail. That's where the problem is.
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That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
Then we're in agreement on this. I realize that's not supposed to happen on the internet, and I tend to be at odds with your position on a lot of things... but I'll try not to let this happen too often. Too much rational thinking might cause this forum to divide by zero, and we wouldn't want that.
That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
Then we're in agreement on this. I realize that's not supposed to happen on the internet, and I tend to be at odds with your position on a lot of things... but I'll try not to let this happen too often. Too much rational thinking might cause this forum to divide by zero, and we wouldn't want that.
Let me dig for a bit and I'm sure I'll find something to have an overly simplified black and white opinion about.
Reality is in many cases I'm playing devils advocate, in some cases I'm intentionally over simplifying it to bring attention to a more systemic problem. Religion being one of those things. In reality, religion for the most part doesn't bother me in the slightest. I simply take issue with those that abuse religion to take advantage of people and deprive them of their rights or what should be their rights and those who claim to be part of that religion and remain apathetic to the very real problems with it. At the end of the day, I don't really care what people want to believe and if it makes them feel better, so much the better. Sometimes it just irritates me when people use it to claim ignorance of a topic they don't want to deal with.
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How the fuck do they know what you are downloading?
No, and neither is it true that all Christians hate gays because Kim Davis does.
Nope, can't do that. Against Kentucky state law.
"Staver said a solution would be to remove not just Kim Davis' name and office from the marriage licenses themselves but from the process entirely. Have the state issue them instead, he said. Sounds simple enough, but under current Kentucky state law, the authority to issue marriage licenses rests solely with each of the state's 120 county clerks, meaning it would take an act of the legislature to transfer that authority. The legislature, however, doesn't convene until January 5, and Gov. Steve Beshear has said he has no intention of calling lawmakers back to Frankfort for an emergency session before then."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/14/politics/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage-kentucky/
So either she does her job, she quits, or goes back to jail. Those are the three options available to her. She goes back to work tomorrow. Should be interesting.
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Time to retire that VCR...
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Then you singled out Muslims purely as troll bait. It's bad enough you have to pick a fight over a comment that wasn't even aimed at you, but you had to denigrate an entire religion in order to try to make your point? That's pretty low.
Option 4: Civil disobedience. The Bible instructs Christians to obey all laws except when such laws come in conflict with God's law. When a human law is passed that forces a Christian to choose between obeying the human law and being disobedient to God, and obeying God and being disobedient to the state, then the state loses.
Besides that, Kentucky State law loses against Amendment 1 of the US Constitution:
Emphasis mine. This trumps KY state law and any judicial order. If Davis is sent back to jail or forced by government to act in a way contrary to her faith it will be another violation of her rights under the 1st Amendment. Forcing her to resign is also a violation of those rights. You may not like it, but that's the truth of it. I have no more to say on the matter.
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The budget shortage can be blamed on the previous administrations, in addition to this one.
Back when Siegelman (D) was the governor, we had significant amounts of money built up in the rainy day fund, which was supposed to be untouchable unless we ran into budgetary problems.
Siegelman and co. decided to dip into it, and spent a lot of money that really wasn't needed, for various useless projects.
When Bob Riley (R) took over, he had made a promise to restore the rainy day fund and cut those projects, but he never got around to doing it, and was unable to get his massive tax hike pushed through. The economy at the time was pretty good, until about 2009, so not many folks noticed the danger.
What the state government is looking for right now, are a bunch of quick fixes, just to shore up this year's budget, which is 200 million in the hole, thanks to the loss of various temporary funding measures.
HB29 and HB30 will probably pass, and would alleviate 80 million of that, since this would allow shifting some of the money in the education fund, to the general fund.
The cigarette tax will probably pass as well, which would increase the per pack price by about 25 cents. There are a few other fee increases being proposed, such as vehicular title fees being raised to $28, and raising the existing tax on car rentals from 1.5% to 2.0%.
The porn tax is silly... Jack Williams seems to think that it would be a significant source of revenues, but in reality, it wouldn't do much at all. The tax itself would be unenforceable for the vast majority of pornographic purchases, and would fall far short of the 20 million dollar estimate that he gave. The only consistent sources of revenue would come from applying this tax to strip clubs and Pay Per View television offerings.
Even if the porn tax went into effect, I suspect that it would suffer the same fate as the old porn tax did, and be found unconstitutional.
Depends on the county... I live in Shelby, where there are no Sunday beer / wine sales, but a quick trip across into Jefferson, and I can buy beer / wine after 12 PM on Sundays.
Back when Siegelman (D) was the governor, we had significant amounts of money built up in the rainy day fund, which was supposed to be untouchable unless we ran into budgetary problems.
Siegelman and co. decided to dip into it, and spent a lot of money that really wasn't needed, for various useless projects.
When Bob Riley (R) took over, he had made a promise to restore the rainy day fund and cut those projects, but he never got around to doing it, and was unable to get his massive tax hike pushed through. The economy at the time was pretty good, until about 2009, so not many folks noticed the danger.
What the state government is looking for right now, are a bunch of quick fixes, just to shore up this year's budget, which is 200 million in the hole, thanks to the loss of various temporary funding measures.
HB29 and HB30 will probably pass, and would alleviate 80 million of that, since this would allow shifting some of the money in the education fund, to the general fund.
The cigarette tax will probably pass as well, which would increase the per pack price by about 25 cents. There are a few other fee increases being proposed, such as vehicular title fees being raised to $28, and raising the existing tax on car rentals from 1.5% to 2.0%.
The porn tax is silly... Jack Williams seems to think that it would be a significant source of revenues, but in reality, it wouldn't do much at all. The tax itself would be unenforceable for the vast majority of pornographic purchases, and would fall far short of the 20 million dollar estimate that he gave. The only consistent sources of revenue would come from applying this tax to strip clubs and Pay Per View television offerings.
Even if the porn tax went into effect, I suspect that it would suffer the same fate as the old porn tax did, and be found unconstitutional.
Depends on the county... I live in Shelby, where there are no Sunday beer / wine sales, but a quick trip across into Jefferson, and I can buy beer / wine after 12 PM on Sundays.
Where does the Bible say this at?
This has nothing to do with religious freedom or being a martyr. She can personally feel however she wants but what she can't do is impose those beliefs onto others as an elected official. If this is the case this sets an extremely dangerous precedent that we as a country do not want to go down.
As an ultra conservative Christian I'm extremely saddened that this is what people believe my religion is about. Christianity isn't about persecuting those that believe different from you, in fact it is just the opposite.
Pushing "sin" taxes also goes against my beliefs and again damages Christianity as being this tyrannical religion that uses laws to enforce their ways onto those that don't believe the same.
So please, don't lump all Christians into this group that seems to think being bigoted and hateful towards others while completely ignoring their own faults: lying, gluttony, divorce, pride, jealousy, hatred, etc...etc...because we aren't all like that.
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Sin taxes are always winners with government (and usually with the people) ... whether it is alcohol, cigarettes, porn, or the new legal frontier (weed) it is free and easy tax money for them
I fuckin hate sin taxes. How is it okay to discriminate against substance abusers like myself?
WA state is horrible with this shit. As someone who likes smoking and drinking, how is it fair that I carry more tax burden than someone who doesn't care for either of those?
Silly how certain kinds of discrimination are okay...
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Should be this damn easy. However no one gets elected running on a campaign of budget cuts and smart spending. They win a campaign by saying giving away shit for 'free.'
Not saying you are, but there is definitely an anti-religious hate train which is more vocal about pounding the "religion is stupid" mantra than actual religious people trying to convert people.
But yea, I also cannot stand people forcing their beliefs on me, whatever they are... and am definitely tired of paying more taxes because I like consuming certain substances.
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Damn straight. Three perfect examples of the Federal Gov meddling in shit they have no reason to be in. Thanks a lot, Lincoln lol
Good question, that's the way I've always understood it to be though.
Truckers.
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The dvd is taxed porportionally to how many face jobs happen at a rate of 2%.
DVD pr0n is usually in the meth aisle.