Should I upgrade to Windows 10?

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Currently using Windows 7 Pro on a desktop machine.

I use it for gaming, working, and other general use things (browsing, email, videos, etc)

I have no problems with it at all.
It meets all my current needs.
I don't have a touch screen, just a normal monitor.

I'm a big believer in "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

So any reason I should upgrade to Windows 10?
 
tbh..not really until dx12 games go mainstream. I like 10 but im also used to it....frankly it can be annoying for people who don't like silly changes. Add to the fact by the time the games come around it will be newer builds again:)
 
There's certainly no need to rush. It's still very early and there's going to be at least one significant update probably coming something in Q4. For conventional desktop users only concerned about Win32 apps and desktop software there's no compelling reason to upgrade at this time. I use Windows tablets and a lot of the Microsoft ecosystem so for me it was a no brainer. Haven't had any more hardware of software compatibility issues, the loss of Windows Media Center was the biggest issue for me but I still have a Windows 8.1 device for that.
 
I don't see why not. I did on all my machines, and it just feels like a smoother W7 with a few changes. Upgrading was really easy.
 
Yes, you should. Windows 10 is a beautiful and extremely intuitive OS. If I were a computer, I'd totally have secks with it.
 
Let the controversy die out (and bugs figured out) over the next few months, and upgrade then.
 
Leave it until at least the bugs have been worked out and privacy issues are resolved, or tools to fix issues are well tested.

Something to be aware of.
Your Windows upgrade license will become tied to the hardware at the time of the upgrade.
The upgrade wont allow you to upgrade your motherboard or CPU later.
If you plan on doing a major PC upgrade, dont upgrade the OS first.
When you upgrade your PC after the OS upgrade, you will need to buy Windows 10 for the upgraded hardware.

Even If you have a full retail license that allows you to install the OS on any machine you like, you will lose that ability once you upgrade to Win 10.
 
I don't know, should you upgrade?

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Actually I like it, they've done a solid vs. Windows 8, it's like a successful combination of Windows 7 and 8.1's strengths.

Maybe some weaknesses, but it's a solid foundation for the OS moving forward.
 
Nenu said:
Leave it until at least the bugs have been worked out and privacy issues are resolved, or tools to fix issues are well tested.

Something to be aware of.
Your Windows upgrade license will become tied to the hardware at the time of the upgrade.
The upgrade wont allow you to upgrade your motherboard or CPU later.
If you plan on doing a major PC upgrade, dont upgrade the OS first.
When you upgrade your PC after the OS upgrade, you will need to buy Windows 10 for the upgraded hardware.

Even If you have a full retail license that allows you to install the OS on any machine you like, you will lose that ability once you upgrade to Win 10.
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Son of a bitch. Is this true? I was planning on upgrading my system later this year and already upgraded to 10. If it is then I'll just wait.
 
Yes, they have worded things in an evasive fashion to try and hide it while making it look they did tell us in retrospect.
I had their number from the start and even the MS apologists on this forum tried to pull the wool.

Its not easy to search for because the search terms bring up so much other material as well.
Here is one report that tries to explain it.
http://bgr.com/2015/08/25/windows-10-product-key-pc-upgrade/

There’s one more problem Windows 10 users who came from Windows 7 or Windows 8 should be aware of. Even if they purchased a full retail license of either Windows 7 or Windows 8 and then move to Windows 10, that doesn’t give them the right install Windows 10 on a brand-new machine.

Full retail licenses let anyone take their Windows license from one PC to the next, as long as they remove it from the previous machine. But upgrading from a full retail license of Windows 7 or Windows 8 doesn’t get you a free, portable, full retail Windows 10 license as you’d expect. That’s something you’ll have to buy separately.
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So, if you buy Windows 10, you can upgrade your computer as much as you like after installing it?
 
bboynitrous said:
Son of a bitch. Is this true? I was planning on upgrading my system later this year and already upgraded to 10. If it is then I'll just wait.
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At least one member on here has confirmed that their Windows 7 or 8 retail copy transferred to a retail 10, and they were able to transfer the 10 to other computers.
 
I think you need to take a stand as an individual and reject Windows 10. It frankly frightens me that people are willing to accept such intrusiveness into their digital lives. You shouldn't pay for something with slices of your identity to be bundled, traded, sold or abused. The long-term ramifications are immense for society as a whole. I am not exaggerating.
 
Had my first chance to play with Windows 10 on a OEM laptop this weekend. I was 0% impressed. Everything you do on OS seemed incredibly slow and bloated. There's so many background processes running it's no longer an operating system but something trying do way too many things. I really just want something lean and trim like Windows 7 was. I don't need apps, Cortana, MS spying on me and trying to predict what I want based on what I'm typing.
 
bboynitrous said:
Son of a bitch. Is this true? I was planning on upgrading my system later this year and already upgraded to 10. If it is then I'll just wait.
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No, it's not true. There is no need to let yourself be fooled by anti-ms trolls or confused by click-bait articles. You can read for yourself right from the horse's mouth. The terms are pretty straight-forward and easy to understand.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm

Windows 10 EULA said:
If you acquired the software as stand-alone software (and also if you upgraded from software you acquired as stand-alone software), you may transfer the software to another device that belongs to you. You may also transfer the software to a device owned by someone else if (i) you are the first licensed user of the software and (ii) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. You may use the backup copy we allow you to make or the media that the software came on to transfer the software. Every time you transfer the software to a new device, you must remove the software from the prior device. You may not transfer the software to share licenses between devices.
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What you don't get is a key that you can use to do easy clean installs of Windows 10 like you would if you bought a retail copy of Windows 10 from the store. That is the only downside really, and doesn't directly correspond with any actual rights that you do or don't have via the EULA. You are still able to use it as a retail copy, with the exception being that you will have to call in to Microsoft to activate it on new hardware (due to the lack of a traditional key). If you really hate calling in to Microsoft, you can simply install your retail copy of 7/8.1 on your new hardware instead and then upgrade to 10, which would then allow you to perform clean installs on that same hardware in the future.

Sp33dFr33k said:
Had my first chance to play with Windows 10 on a OEM laptop this weekend. I was 0% impressed. Everything you do on OS seemed incredibly slow and bloated. There's so many background processes running it's no longer an operating system but something trying do way too many things. I really just want something lean and trim like Windows 7 was. I don't need apps, Cortana, MS spying on me and trying to predict what I want based on what I'm typing.
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One thing about Windows 10 compared to Windows 7 is that it is different. Many people have used 7 for so long that they have confused efficiency with familiarity. Going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is like going from an old, comfortable, worn-in pair of shoes to a brand new pair of shoes. It's also like listening to a new song. The first time you hear it, you might not even like it. The 10th time you hear it, it might have now become your favorite song. Point is, you really can't judge your experiences based simply off a first impression, and without actually giving it a chance. As far as being lean and trim, i've found 10 to actually run faster on old/slow hardware. Are you sure you aren't confusing Win10 bloat with OEM bloat?
 
GotNoRice said:
No, it's not true. There is no need to let yourself be fooled by anti-ms trolls or confused by click-bait articles. You can read for yourself right from the horse's mouth. The terms are pretty straight-forward and easy to understand.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm



What you don't get is a key that you can use to do easy clean installs of Windows 10 like you would if you bought a retail copy of Windows 10 from the store. That is the only downside really, and doesn't directly correspond with any actual rights that you do or don't have via the EULA. You are still able to use it as a retail copy, with the exception being that you will have to call in to Microsoft to activate it on new hardware (due to the lack of a traditional key). If you really hate calling in to Microsoft, you can simply install your retail copy of 7/8.1 on your new hardware instead and then upgrade to 10, which would then allow you to perform clean installs on that same hardware in the future.
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That link and EULA are for Retail, not Upgrade.
The link describes the contents by its name "UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English"
 
Nenu said:
That link and EULA are for Retail, not Upgrade.
The link describes the contents by its name "UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English"
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You seem to be under the impression that this EULA does not cover Windows 10 free upgrades. That is not the case.

If you feel that there is a separate EULA that covers free upgrades, feel free to link it. Microsoft doesn't exactly hide their EULAs ;)
 
If you have older hardware that run Windows 7 you should not upgrade to Windows 10. You get nothing but potential trouble.

Then again if you are an insider and get the license for free like me, go ahead. Can't beat free! But again, I'd do it only on late model hardware. Your hardware has to survive until DX12 titles start to come out for you to take any benefit.
 
MikeTrike said:
I don't know, should you upgrade?

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Actually I like it, they've done a solid vs. Windows 8, it's like a successful combination of Windows 7 and 8.1's strengths.

Maybe some weaknesses, but it's a solid foundation for the OS moving forward.
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Oh and did you miss the KB updates that add the spyware to Win8 and 7? It's not just Win10 it's the brave new world.
 
B00nie said:
Oh and did you miss the KB updates that add the spyware to Win8 and 7? It's not just Win10 it's the brave new world.
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But you can uninstall or hide those updates so they're never installed on 7/8.x. That's not possible with consumer versions of Windows 10 unless you no longer want security updates.
 
GotNoRice said:
You seem to be under the impression that this EULA does not cover Windows 10 free upgrades. That is not the case.
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Interesting, what proof do you have that they are the same?
If you feel that there is a separate EULA that covers free upgrades, feel free to link it. Microsoft doesn't exactly hide their EULAs ;)
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You should provide that link as you stated the Retail EULA covers the Upgrade.

MS have stated many times that the Upgrade license is valid for the life of the device it is installed on.
They later confessed that the expected life is 2 to 4 years.
These comments were not made in reference to the Retail license.
 
No. No reason to. You'd be upgrading for the pretty new face and newer model. You would still be able to do what you do now, just look different.

Unless there is something you like, or a feature you need, or you like to ride the bleeding edge - no reason to upgrade.

I love it. It's a great OS. Just no compelling reasons to HAVE to upgrade from 7.
 
Nenu said:
Interesting, what proof do you have that they are the same?

You should provide that link as you stated the Retail EULA covers the Upgrade.
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I already posted a link. It's the same EULA.


Screenshot from a Windows 7 install performing a Windows 10 Upgrade using media creation tool. This is the EULA that you agree to when performing an upgrade.
 
GotNoRice said:
I already posted a link. It's the same EULA.


Screenshot from a Windows 7 install performing a Windows 10 Upgrade using media creation tool. This is the EULA that you agree to when performing an upgrade.
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They are not the same license otherwise there wouldnt need to be a distinction other than the process for installation.
There would be no difference in limitations.
MS have made it clear that there is a difference as I explained in my last post.

I came across this which may be the key.
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/soft...de-to-windows-10-and-get-your-new-licence-key

They say you can transfer the OS to another device for the period of the free upgrade.
This will mean you have until the end of the free upgrade year to upgrade your PCs hardware, after that you will have to buy a new OS.

You bought Windows 7 or Windows 8 yourself

If you paid for Windows 7 or Windows 8 yourself, you've most likely got a retail licence (see Upgrade restrictions below for more details). This lets you transfer the licence from one computer to another, however you can only transfer Windows 10 within the year-long upgrade offer; after this period is up, you'll have to buy a new copy of Windows 10. To transfer Windows 10 to a new PC, you first have to install your existing copy of Windows 7 or Windows 8 and then follow the upgrade instructions below.
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Nenu said:
They are not the same license otherwise there wouldnt need to be a distinction other than the process for installation.
There would be no difference in limitations.
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It's the license that you click accept on when you perform an upgrade. The language used is not ambiguous in any way. They distinguish between Retail ("Stand-alone software") and OEM ("Software preinstalled on device"), including upgrades done from each. Language covering all of this is included in the EULA that I linked.

Nenu said:
MS have made it clear that there is a difference as I explained in my last post.
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All you've done is regurgitate rumors and provide links to click-bait articles. If what you say is true, then why is it so difficult for you to provide any actual links or documentation from Microsoft? Conspiracy?
 
GotNoRice said:
It's the license that you click accept on when you perform an upgrade. The language used is not ambiguous in any way. They distinguish between Retail ("Stand-alone software") and OEM ("Software preinstalled on device"), including upgrades done from each. Language covering all of this is included in the EULA that I linked.
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It is not all covered in the EULA.
There is a difference which is not made clear.

All you've done is regurgitate rumors and provide links to click-bait articles. If what you say is true, then why is it so difficult for you to provide any actual links or documentation from Microsoft? Conspiracy?
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lol says the man who cant back up his claim.
You havent given any proof that the EULA is the same for both.
I'm making a point that MS are not forthcoming with the full truth, they hide it in partial statements and that there is something here we need to know.
There is an issue which people who upgrade should be aware of that I am trying to get to the root of.

How are you not aware that MS have stated the upgrade license is tied to the device for the life of the device.
I can easily provide you with proof if you cant be bothered to check.
Yet they have not made this statement for Retail?

If you want more information, why not research instead if making things up.
There is an issue that needs an answer and the one you have provided has not been researched and is not correct.
 
Nenu said:
It is not all covered in the EULA.
There is a difference which is not made clear.
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Seems pretty clear to me.

Nenu said:
lol says the man who cant back up his claim.
You havent given any proof that the EULA is the same for both.
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What do you expect me to do, provide a link to an "upgrade EULA" that doesn't exist? They are the same. Anyone who does an upgrade and decides to actually read the license before they click Accept and wants to compare it to the EULA that I linked will also see that it is the same. If you want to compare for yourself, I have just copied this from the license that you click accept on when you upgrade from 7 to 10:

http://gotnorice.com/eulawin10.txt

Again, section 4 is where the language in regards to license transfers is. 4b is the section that I took my earlier screenshot of.

Nenu said:
If you want more information, why not research instead if making things up.
There is an issue that needs an answer and the one you have provided has not been researched and is not correct.
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It's not my job to educate you on stuff you are confused about. I have provided nothing but direct links from Microsoft and screenshots/text taken directly from an actual Windows 10 upgrade. You have STILL provided absolutely nothing but hearsay and links to click-bait articles. I actually feel a bit foolish having provided as much actual proof as I have, given that it's pretty clear you would rather throw an e-tantrum than admit you are wrong.

If you have the proof that you actually claim, then post it and stop bullshitting. And please, spare us the click-bait articles :rolleyes:
 
MS have stated the upgrade is tied to the device for the life of the device, ars are quoting MS here
http://arstechnica.co.uk/informatio...become-a-little-clearer-but-questions-remain/
Once upgraded to Windows 10, devices will continue to receive both feature and security updates for what Microsoft calls "the life of the device."
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The following answered by an MS forum moderator.
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...indows-7/cb7f544b-38c8-4abf-b323-58f03a519f3f
I have also heard that the install will be locked to the current hardware configuration at the time of the install/validation
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And why it matters...
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...0/a6a1cc4b-720d-41cc-87c2-7eb7dd5166fc?auth=1
What happens if I change my motherboard?

This will invalidate the Windows 10 upgrade license because it will no longer have a previous based qualifying license which is required for the free upgrade. You will then have to purchase a full retail Windows 10 license.
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I'm surprised you werent aware given your attitude on the topic.
its not my job to educate you either, but here we are.
There is a case to be answered.
 
Nenu said:
I'm surprised you werent aware given your attitude on the topic.
its not my job to educate you either, but here we are.
There is a case to be answered.
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You just linked an article based on an Australian blog from May, and two more blog posts from early June, months before Windows 10 was even released. If that is what you consider proof, that is pretty telling :p
 
There is a case to be answered which is what I want to make the op aware of.

There is no proof that beyond the first year an upgrade will accept a change of hardware.
The only proof we have had that it can even be done during the first year is one person managed it.

Exercise caution, MS do not deserve blind faith.
I am not an MS hater, I have been a Windows guy for over 25 years and will be moving forward.
I dont like what they are doing nor how our concerns are addressed by MS and forum members that come across as MS employees.
I want to like MS but thats not possible the way things are.
 
Nenu said:
There is no proof that beyond the first year an upgrade will accept a change of hardware.
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Yes there is, it's in the Windows 10 EULA Section 4 Paragraph b which is the same as Windows 7. Like a retail transfer has always worked, you may have to call to get it reactivated on a new device. There's no proof that this has changed.
 
I dont see proof.
Where does it mention what happens after the first year?
Are you saying there is no difference between Win 10 retail and a retail upgrade?
 
The legal language that covers this hasn't changed from 7. So until someone produces legal language or a definitive statement from Microsoft that says the transfer rights of upgraded retail copies have changed then there's nothing here to discuss other than random blogs and rumors.
 
Nenu said:
Are you saying there is no difference between Win 10 retail and a retail upgrade?
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There is one huge practical difference. You get a key with a store-bought retail copy. That makes it considerably easier to do a clean install on new hardware since you don't have to call in to MS, but your actual usage rights as far as the EULA goes are indeed the same.
 
Nenu said:
I dont see proof.
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There are a couple of steps.

Upgrading a qualifying Windows retail version gives a retail license to the Windows 10 upgrade.

The language in the Windows 10 Retail license applies, giving transfer rights, same as the retail license of the Windows version being upgraded.

The same question has been asked and answered on the MS community boards many times by MVPs.

Whether it actually works smoothly or not is unknown. I never realized so many people bought full retail copies of Windows. :p
 
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