Windows 10 Installed 75M Times In One Month

sadsteve said:
I haven't found a Windows 8/8.1/10 App that I've liked yet, Windowed or otherwise.
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The only one I found that I've liked has been the Netflix app. I used it on my HTPC when my HTPC was windows based.

It's not perfect, could use better remote integration, but the benefit of the App vs. the browser version is that the app has GPU video decoding, and a more appliance-like interface suited for HTPC use.

(I hate having to open a web browser on a HTPC. A HTPC should be a computer, but not look like one IMHO :p )

These days my HTPC runs Kodi/XBMC in Linux. I have Netflix set up through a script that loads Chrome in --kiosk mode, and then I just kill it with Alt-F4 when done. I don't have hardware GPU acceleration in the web version, but my HTPC (even a low power broadwell 2 core 1.4Ghz Celeron model as it is) is much faster than my old 1.5Ghz Athlon HTPC was :p
 
I tried 10, Spyware and all. (blocked everything I could) The browser was useless. So, 75 million -1. I liked 8.1 and 7 better. 8.1 is not bad.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041819830 said:
I enjoyed the hell out of the orignal Civlization, Ports of Call, Xwing, Dune, Dune II, Wolfenstein 3D, all the Sierra adventure games (Hero Quest / Quest for Glory were my favorites) Rick Dangerous, Commander Keen, etc. etc. I even ran Doom on that 286 when it came out.
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Might & Magic! Xeen! The Sierra Network on the 1200 baud (I think?) modem. I had a little thumb mouse with a blue ball that could hook onto the side of my T2200 386sx (upgraded with a math co-processor!).

Funny how the graphics were so much less but the enjoyment was so much more...
 
The opposition clams down about a year after release.
I remember people hating Win8. Now they're saying Win10 is spyware and Win8.1 is better.
Microsoft needs to release a Win10.1 so the nerds can think they have a better version.
 
WorldExclusive said:
The opposition clams down about a year after release.
I remember people hating Win8. Now they're saying Win10 is spyware and Win8.1 is better.
Microsoft needs to release a Win10.1 so the nerds can think they have a better version.
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Every new version of Windows has its detractors regardless. Windows 8 was easy to criticize because of the UI and indeed that was a problem that resonated with average people and thus Windows 8 failed. The problems were very visible and very real and didn't need a guy running Wireshark to point out.

The anti-Windows 10 mantra now is privacy and of course there are legitimate issues. But phones, cloud storage, social media accounts, email accounts, etc. all have similar reasons for concern. And overwhelmingly the world has never been that concerned before.

So now Windows 10 is this huge threat to privacy even though a billion plus people have been connected into this stuff for years. Again there are privacy concerns with Windows 10. And everything else that's connected to the Internet. And to date I can't think of much in the consumer tech space with the exception of perhaps Google Glass that failed because of privacy issues. And Glass had many other major issues besides.
 
I think it's hilarious that people cry about Windows 10 privacy issues, but they continue to use Google and Facebook services.
 
DPI said:
This was literally the text from my friend the other day, a buddy I built a Win7 based gaming rig for: "I think I clicked something I shouldn't have, my Windows is now all jacked up after it did something for an hour".
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Guaranteed lots of people have made the same mistake and Microsoft don't give a shit that they have now fucked up people's PCs.
 
rezerekted said:
Guaranteed lots of people have made the same mistake and Microsoft don't give a shit that they have now fucked up people's PCs.
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First friend/family upgrade to 10 I did was remotely. A brother-in-law with a basic Windows 7 PC who lives about 500 miles away will call me up from time to time over pretty simple stuff. He's never really had any major issues, just kinda gets into some crap that gets him confused.

So around the 1st of this month he calls me over something that's piddling and I ask him if he wanted to try Windows 10. He said sure. I told him of the risks, like for one me being 500 miles away, the privacy concerns, etc. Do a little researching and find a number of people with this chepo Dell or doing ok with 10. He hand the tray icon but it hadn't downloaded yet so I did a force upgrade.

It was the easiest thing I'd done in a long time. We were using TeamViewer, started the upgrade, we let it run, he calls me back the next night and it was flawless. Everything worked, the machine was faster, not a single problem.

As much as people what to criticize this upgrade process with the "nagware" and such, this is the way it should have ALWAYS been. A FREE, simple and obvious way to upgrade.
 
How much did Microsoft pay you to say that?

I was talking about people that started the upgrade by accident and didn't actually want Win10.
 
rezerekted said:
How much did Microsoft pay you to say that?

I was talking about people that started the upgrade by accident and didn't actually want Win10.
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I don't see how you do it by accident, unless you are just stupid and click through anything, and if they are that kind of person, THAT IS NOT MS FAULT. :rolleyes:

I got a call from my mother, "your dad was on the computer and then it started doing this thing and changed to...I think it said something 10 on its own and now everything is messed up", after prodding my dad for a while I got him to admit he was just clicking away when he had no idea what he was doing. After remoting in, come to find out what she meant by "messed up" was that the GUI looked different, not that anything was wrong or didn't work.
 
whiz187 said:
I tried 10, Spyware and all. (blocked everything I could) The browser was useless. So, 75 million -1. I liked 8.1 and 7 better. 8.1 is not bad.
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I'm in the same boat. 8.1 is a great OS....10 has some massive problems. I'm keeping it on one machine to get used to it but the rest are keeping other operating systems.
 
tec805 said:
Might & Magic! Xeen! The Sierra Network on the 1200 baud (I think?) modem. I had a little thumb mouse with a blue ball that could hook onto the side of my T2200 386sx (upgraded with a math co-processor!).

Funny how the graphics were so much less but the enjoyment was so much more...
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Ooop! I forgot about Warlords, and Warlords II
 
BlueFireIce said:
I don't see how you do it by accident, unless you are just stupid and click through anything, and if they are that kind of person, THAT IS NOT MS FAULT. :rolleyes:

I got a call from my mother, "your dad was on the computer and then it started doing this thing and changed to...I think it said something 10 on its own and now everything is messed up", after prodding my dad for a while I got him to admit he was just clicking away when he had no idea what he was doing. After remoting in, come to find out what she meant by "messed up" was that the GUI looked different, not that anything was wrong or didn't work.
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So "I don't see how you could do it by accident unless you're stupid" then admit your own father did it by accident. Facepalm.

You can't write this kind of comedy, folks.

Yes, in fact plenty of unsuspecting people are getting tricked into this update. Hardly "75 million people embracing 10!" like the shills would believe.
 
DPI said:
So "I don't see how you could do it by accident unless you're stupid" then admit your own father did it by accident. Facepalm.

You can't write this kind of comedy, folks.

Yes, in fact plenty of unsuspecting people are getting tricked into this update. Hardly "75 million people embracing 10!" like the shills would believe.
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How is my father ignoring all the prompts and not reading anything he is clicking an accident? No, he was being stupid, and that is in no way MS fault. People who also blindly click through installers or programs they download and get infected, I guess that is called an accident as well? No, that is being ignorant or stupid.
 
BlueFireIce said:
How is my father ignoring all the prompts and not reading anything he is clicking an accident? No, he was being stupid, and that is in no way MS fault. People who also blindly click through installers or programs they download and get infected, I guess that is called an accident as well? No, that is being ignorant or stupid.
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Dance around with semantics all you want, but either way it boils down to Microsoft preying on unsuspecting and non-technical users and tricking them into installing 10 by making it seem like just another minor update they click OK on and it goes away, so MS can inflate their numbers and make absurd press statements about big round numbers of millions of people "loving and embracing 10!" It's farcical.

Gotta hand it to MS, really, but I'll be doing a lot of rollbacks as calls from unhappy friends and family are coming in.
 
Just got a call from a client asking about when his Windows 10 would be ready. He agreed with the nagware to reserve his copy and got an email about being in the queue. I told him I didn't know and was surprised that it didn't happen earlier, as I thought most people that reserved it already installed it. He asked if I had installed my copy, I told him no, just playing with it on a laptop. He was surprised, he thought we had no choice, that we must install 10 to continue to use Windows. Not the brightest bulb.
 
tec805 said:
He was surprised, he thought we had no choice, that we must install 10 to continue to use Windows. Not the brightest bulb.
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With as aggressive as the nag system is - I mean you can't even resume from sleep without the UPGRADE NOW? UPGRADE NOW? shit - I would hardly blame an end user for having that perception. Microsoft only designed it that way.

But yes by all means let's keep blaming end users and imply they're "not bright". It's their fault. :rolleyes:
 
DPI said:
Dance around with semantics all you want, but either way it boils down to Microsoft preying on unsuspecting and non-technical users and tricking them into installing 10 by making it seem like just another minor update they click OK on and it goes away, so MS can inflate their numbers and make absurd press statements about big round numbers of millions of people "loving and embracing 10!" It's farcical.

Gotta hand it to MS, really, but I'll be doing a lot of rollbacks as calls from unhappy friends and family are coming in.
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Ok, so you are a troll with comments like that. Good to see real debate and counter points of what is wrong with the OS, rather all I see is flailing arms and screaming "because I said so!!!". :rolleyes:

As for friends and family, they often never like anything until forced to upgrade, then once they are and learn the new system, they see how amazing it is and then fight the next upgrade. I know people who are unhappy with anything other than XP, so I guess that means everything else since then has been a failure right?
 
So far the only issue I encountered was with ultidev web server pro (which I just uninstalled) ... it was consuming all of my CPU utilization otherwise ... otherwise I like 10 and it seems to be running well
 
BlueFireIce said:
Ok, so you are a troll with comments like that. Good to see real debate and counter points of what is wrong with the OS, rather all I see is flailing arms and screaming "because I said so!!!". :rolleyes:

As for friends and family, they often never like anything until forced to upgrade, then once they are and learn the new system, they see how amazing it is and then fight the next upgrade. I know people who are unhappy with anything other than XP, so I guess that means everything else since then has been a failure right?
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We know the narrative of the anti-Windows folks well now, "spyware and predatory, forced upgrades" Good luck with that because it doesn't come anywhere close to beating "free" for most folks that is so east to do apparently you don't even have to read.

At this point it looks like Windows 10 is not only going to be successful but it's going to smash adoption records. And no doubt that's going to be aided by people who can't read. And for most of them it want even matter as long as their device continues to work.
 
And you're gonna drive that success all by yourself by purchasing as many Windows 10 computers as possible (or upgrading existing boxes). :p

No seriously, freaky fetish levels of computers aside (OMG can you imagine update tuesdays with that many computers running Windows ... how do you even have actual fun when you're busy switching systems and shuffling data around between boxes?...erk anyway) Windows 10 will probably be pretty successful despite the privacy concerns because they're a lot less visible to the end user than a user interface change. That and people are already dumb enough to use Facebook and Google services so they'll use Windows 10 and complain about it, but not actively change how they do things.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
...people are already dumb enough to use Facebook and Google services so they'll use Windows 10...
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And here in lyeth the problem. Just because the average person is bat shit thick, why should i have to suffer? That is the mentality of developers nowadays, and i'm sick of it.

Now i wouldn't care if it didn't infect my every-day, but it does. Dumbed down UI's. Features and control taken away (of not just the UI, but everywhere). Settings set to default-on when they should be default-off. Its just wrong, and its pathetic that you (seems this is how you tools wish to play it, i'll stoop to your level) "Microsoft Apologists" insist that we should have to bow down to the lowest common denominator. That's simply now how we more forward productively.

If you make something so simple any dumb ++++ can use it, only dumb ++++s will.
 
HoffY said:
And here in lyeth the problem. Just because the average person is bat shit thick, why should i have to suffer? That is the mentality of developers nowadays, and i'm sick of it.

Now i wouldn't care if it didn't infect my every-day, but it does. Dumbed down UI's. Features and control taken away (of not just the UI, but everywhere). Settings set to default-on when they should be default-off. Its just wrong, and its pathetic that you (seems this is how you tools wish to play it, i'll stoop to your level) "Microsoft Apologists" insist that we should have to bow down to the lowest common denominator. That's simply now how we more forward productively.

If you make something so simple any dumb ++++ can use it, only dumb ++++s will.
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Troll successful apparently.

No really though, I'm not exactly a fan of Windows 10. The privacy and data collection along with pushing cloud storage through OneDrive stuff that's been looming at Microsoft for the past like couple of OS releases has kinda left me not interested in using their products. I'm a daily use Linux Mint person now and W10's release was what really did it for me.

All I'm pointing out is that if people have a problem with 10's data collecting stuff that you seemingly can't turn off (including keyloggers :eek:) they should be just as upset with Google for doing it too since Google has been keylogging, metrics collecting, riffing through your e-mail, and watching you through adserves for like 10+ years.
 
HoffY said:
And here in lyeth the problem. Just because the average person is bat shit thick, why should i have to suffer? That is the mentality of developers nowadays, and i'm sick of it.

Now i wouldn't care if it didn't infect my every-day, but it does. Dumbed down UI's. Features and control taken away (of not just the UI, but everywhere). Settings set to default-on when they should be default-off. Its just wrong, and its pathetic that you (seems this is how you tools wish to play it, i'll stoop to your level) "Microsoft Apologists" insist that we should have to bow down to the lowest common denominator. That's simply now how we more forward productively.

If you make something so simple any dumb ++++ can use it, only dumb ++++s will.
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That's how everything works.

Selling to the "lowest common denominator" widens your user base, and thus increases your potential sales totals.

It's the same in every single field for everything. Music, cars, consumer electronics, computers, phones, etc.

"Lowest common denominator" is always where the money is and where the companies go first. If you want something above that, they might get around to you later if they have time. Maybe a third party will design something for you, but it will be small volume, and as such will likely cost you a lot.

This isn't a Microsoft problem. This is a "running a business" problem.

It leads to all companies marketing primarily to "low cost, ease of use and reliability above EVERYTHING else" principles, and results in products that enthusiasts really have no interest in, but most are forced to buy as they need something, and the small market specialty items designed to appeal to the enthusiasts price most of them who aren't millionaires out of the market for them.

The rule of the game of any business is that you need to spread your design and development costs out over as high a unit count as you possibly can in order to meet low cost and profitability goes. This means you design to the lowest common denominator.

If you don't, someone else will, and they will take the lowest common denominator market, have lower per unit cost, and drive you out of business.
 
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