BlueSaber80
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Pascal will eat witcher 3 alive while staying at a nice 65c . I cant wait until more info is leaked on this card , especially the power draw should be lower..
Precisely my points.For emulation i.e. dolphin ,epsxe on haswell there is slight improvement with fps over a i5 with no HT. Also your windows experience will be more fluid . Same can be said for haswell vs skylake which is one of the main reasons i might upgrade to skylake. The 2600k to a 6600k will be a huge upgrade in IPC. If i remember correctly my 3770k could not barely run dolphin "wii emulator at full speed until i jumped into a haswell i7 at 4.8.
Regarding my argument the 980ti is a ok card versus the previous MSI 980 when overclocked, 1500/1920. I benched both setups 980ti SLI vs 980s overclocked and the 980ti SLI setup would have cost me 600.00 more to upgrade after selling off my 980s. To me i just did not get that wow experience. It just wasnt a good speed bump now unless you are running 4k then yah you should buy it because it will be a dam long time before something comes out that can run 4k at decent fps. Also lets take a look at the most powerful games i.e GTA V, Metal Gear V, Project cars, Arkham night, witcher 3 ,etc etc etc
a single 980 ti will be 15-20% slower than a SLI 980 stock setup.
Unfortunate for you.Another factor for my justification for my argument is if you read my previous posts, the 980 ti is HOT at idle HOT at load . On top of that the card never dissipated heat off the heat sink effectively cooling back to idle temps of 45-49c. If you read previous threads on this forum everyone is talking about how can one cool these cards with after market fans on the side of the case or spending another 100+ dollars on a watercooling kit and not getting any better overclocks, personally i think this a big waste of money.
If I was talking about SLI, there might be reason to put it in an answer to me.Im sure 980 ti SLI cards can be justified for extreme gamers,tripple monitor setup running full res 7680x1440 or a single 4k gaming which will especially blow the older 980s out of the water in SLI. Again for my needs 2560x1440 for me its not worth it and wont be until pascal arrives in 6-7 months. So If you own a 970 a 980ti would be nice bump in speed right now they should upgrade even at 1080p. Again games have not matured for dx 12, skylake motherboards in the future maybe 3-4 months from now will be using faster DDR speeds etc etc and possibly stepping improvements
I'm glad for you but this is a discussion for somebody else, not me.I made a decision to wait until skylake/motherboards matures/software etc and pascal is released in 6 months. I should have a 30-50% bump in overall computing power with less power usage when Pascal and possibly better overclocks for the skylake IPC arrive at the same time. I just dont think right now is a smart move to upgrade for someone who owns haswell 4790k at 4.8 or a 980 SLI setup.
Again, unfortunate for you.Personally I put my money towards a XB270HU IPS 144hz gsync and love it and got the wow factor i was looking for when gaming, reminds me when i owned a CRT except for the shitty black levels.
When gaming at 144hz on my 980s they are quieter , ALOT less heat and immediately go back to a cool 43c. Meanwhile the MSI 980ti's were hot and loud and me having a kraken x61 on the cpu and 2 couger 120mm on the 240mm rad it was like my cars heater on full blast venting out of the top of my corsair 760t case. Not to mention i have 2 intake cougers 120mm to cool 9 hard drives and one couger 120mm exhaust. My computer is very quiet at idle with my 980s. The 980 ti in SLI they love to ramp up especially when vsync is off and hopefully this will be fixed with nvidia next iteration with a completely new architecture and i am pretty positive Pascal will solve any cooling issues and be alot more power friendly than the 980ti. Also the current Ti reminds me when i owned a 780 lightning and the 780 ti were out , my 780 lightning with custom bios would keep up or slightly beat a stock 780 ti. There was no reason to buy it and upgrade so i skipped it altogether and glad i did because the 980 was a whole lot better.
So unless you are 4k or upgrading your 970s the 980ti is a waste of cash . I forgot to mention all my games on steam 1k of them run at 60fps or more the other 2% is either bad programming or is a SLI game where my single 980 will struggle. My 980s in SLI will beat a single 980ti by 15-20 fps average and max fps at 2560x1440. So again that 600.00 to upgrade i was talking about earlier would have been a waste of cash. Now I would have been more interested in the 980ti either when the 980 ti lightning ever does come to the market or a MUCH better cooling solution comes for non reference 980ti cards. Personally i think nvidia should have just released this card as a titan with 6gb of ram for 679.00 with a good non reference cooler would have me more interested as well.
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I made a decision to wait until skylake/motherboards matures/software etc and pascal is released in 6 months. I should have a 30-50% bump in overall computing power with less power usage when Pascal and possibly better overclocks for the skylake IPC arrive at the same time. I just dont think right now is a smart move to upgrade for someone who owns haswell 4790k at 4.8 or a 980 SLI setup.
My 980Ti eats witcher 3 alive while staying under 65C w/my setup. I game on 1080p, which you say is pointless for a 980Ti, however I have a 120Hz monitor, and Witcher 3 generally stays right at 120Fps, so, match made in heaven I say. Oh, I also got a big boost in overclock when I switched to G10, have fun waiting for Pascal!
Precisely my points.
I dont need 980 SLI and paying over 5x more for SLI than it cost me to get a ti (£600 vs £110) makes no sense.
Unfortunate for you. My 980ti uses no fan at idle and is only 10C above ambient.
At 21C ambient, it idles at 31C. When left with its extremely silent fan profile, it reaches just over 70C under a benchmark load (less when gaming).
When clocked hard it gets to around 78C under a benchmark load with a slightly stronger fan profile but still not loud, most of the time it is well under.
If I was talking about SLI, there might be reason to put it in an answer to me.
But I'm not, except to say I'm not using it.
I'm glad for you but this is a discussion for somebody else, not me.
Again, unfortunate for you.
Nothing like my experience.
All my games run at 60fps with a single 980ti, this isnt your exclusive.
I dont need 980 SLI, the huge extra cost, a newer PSU, the extra heat, the loss in performance in some games...
The 980ti does everthing I want, I've not been happier with a card.
You're up for disappointment then. Reviews for Skylake seem to indicate that for gaming purposes it's not really any faster than Ivy Bridge or Haswell. For CPU bound situations like emulation you might see better gains. The biggest improvements in Skylake are better integrated GPU and power efficiency rather than big performance boosts.
Likewise believing Nvidia's cherry-picked press crap about Pascal isn't doing you any favors. Any "10x improvement" is going to happen most likely in very specific situations and none of those are gaming. With the first Pascal cards you're more likely looking at slightly faster versions of 970 and 980 with only 4 GB VRAM since HBM2 is out only Q2 2016. Aside from having my 980 Ti resale value plummet I do hope they can make Pascal as fast while keeping the heat down. Late 2016 or in 2017 we should see cards that are a bigger upgrade over the 980 Ti.
While I do agree that upgrading from 4790 and 980 SLI to 980 Ti is definitely not worth it, most likely neither will Skylake and 1080 SLI (or whatever the card is called).
Good for you, irrelevant for me.I agree but SLI 980 is still faster especially when overclocked
Unfortunate for you that you made a bad decision and are now trying to pass your brain ache on.Not unfortunate for me because those 980 ti's went back and oh it felt so good to put my 980 SLI back in and get my $1,358.00 back.. Kinda like me buying a car that always overheated and acted like a lemon
I told you the contrary and you still bs. You lack experience and are wrong.Again 980 overclocked SLI is still faster than a single 980 Ti and cooler at idle and load.
Nothing to do with me, not even slightly.yep but it would seem the majority of the users /owners of the MSI 980 Ti have had the same issues as me on this forum. Basically talking about crappy ASIC score, overheat, poor overclocker, hot hot hot and idle hot, aftermarket cooling etc etc etc......
Again you are wrong, see above. I paid a lot less than you and get great performance in everything. You have to cope with SLI issues, I am single cardAgain not unfortunate for me your stuck with a overpriced hot load of crap. Did you see the picture of the MSI 980 ti that has melted yet on this forum. Let me know i will send you the link..
Its like running round inside a barrel and trying to get somewhere.All my games run 60fps on my card as well and i saved 679.00. Thats great i wouldnt be too proud of your purchase when Pascal arrives. Me on the other hand will be running 2x PASCAL the next go around . Big bump in speed whoa! 6-7 months from now the real next gen nvidia card will be out. I wont be so sad selling my cool /fast 980s then.
Your problem is you made a bad choice for your situation and had to backtrack. Now you want to ball ache everyone for not doing the same as you.
Yes I am going to ball out now. Unsubscribed
P.s. my experience is more than all you combined
Man, he had computer experience before there were even electronic computers!
Seems a bit of trolling recently in this thread. Let's bring it back! I got my Gaming 6G in a few days ago! I managed to get a 1516MHz or +175 oc on stock voltage so far. I did some quick benchmarks in 3DMark and Heaven for stability, but I will be trying some more benches to make sure it's actually stable as I do see the powerlimit chart shifting up and down in AfterBurner, so I may have to dial it down a bit. I'm also going to oc the memory a bit. I'm hoping to stay above 1500 on stock voltage, but it is getting quite warm at 86C... anyone else seeing these temps on their oc?
Yep, thats normal on this cooler, you will need to crank the fans up to get it lower and have good case temps. The 6G is known for being the quiet model of the 980TI's, not the coolest running. Your ASIC but be real damn high to achieve that clock on stock voltage. I'm wondering how much your throttling back as the threshold stock is 83c so I bet your 1516mhz is going down quite a bit
ASIC is 75.2%. Not good, but not bad either.
ASIC is 75.2%. Not good, but not bad either. Basically perfectly in the middle of the pack.
ASIC is 75.2%. Not good, but not bad either. Basically perfectly in the middle of the pack.
Mine is 63.5%, so pretty much at the bottom of the pack. At +175 I used to get 1479MHz on stock voltage. Anything closer to 1500MHz used to artifact while benching.
My 63% ASIC card wouldn't do 1440 on the core stable with 1.23 volts. Am also surprised to hear 1500 stable in games. It maybe fine for a 3dmark run (which my card could also do at 1480) but once Witcher 3 was launched, instant TDR.
My 63% ASIC card wouldn't do 1440 on the core stable with 1.23 volts. Am also surprised to hear 1500 stable in games. It maybe fine for a 3dmark run (which my card could also do at 1480) but once Witcher 3 was launched, instant TDR.
Unless you modded the BIOS there is no way you stay at 1515 or even 1486 in all games unless you are playing at 1080.I have two 6G's, one does 1486MHz, the other does 1515MHz, both 100% stable in all games and apps. Witcher 3 is a tough test and will usually expose a poor overclock pretty quickly, so will Assetto Corsa and Project Cars.
Unless you modded the BIOS there is no way you stay at 1515 or even 1486 in all games unless you are playing at 1080.
I see parts of some games that cant even stay above 1420 but most will maintain 1440-1450 without throttling. You have a magical card if it can maintain 1500 under full gpu usage uncapped.Stock BIOS, I play at 2560x1600 on a Dell 3011 30". Yes, way.
The one that runs at 1515 will throttle down to 1502 in very intense games but it will fluctuate back between 1515 and 1502, I can live with that.
I'm wondering, how much does memory overclocking matter? For the people running the core at 1500, what do you oc the memory to?
what temperatures are you getting ? cards shouldn't throttle unless they pass 82ºcI see parts of some games that cant even stay above 1420 but most will maintain 1440-1450 without throttling. You have a magical card if it can maintain 1500 under full gpu usage uncapped.
All 980 Ti default bios cards throttle post 65 C temperatures.what temperatures are you getting ? cards shouldn't throttle unless they pass 82ºc
No, Kaori had it right, throttling (dropping below base-clock) doesn't happen until 82c.All 980 Ti default bios cards throttle post 65 C temperatures.
Um you do realize temps are not the only reason a card throttles?what temperatures are you getting ? cards shouldn't throttle unless they pass 82ºc
So you have your own interpretation of what throttling is. To me its when it drops clocks at all which as already just mentioned happens first right before 65 C. And no you dont drop below base clocks when you hit 82 C so not sure where you got that from. When you hit 83 on a 980 Ti, Titan X and 780 Ti, it simply drops one bin which is exactly what it does when you hit 80 on the 980 and most other Maxwell and Kepler cards. If you drop more than one bin then there are other factors than simply just hitting the first real temp throttle.No, Kaori had it right, throttling (dropping below base-clock) doesn't happen until 82c.
What you're seeing at 65c is simply Boost 2.0 dropping a clockspeed bin due to temperature.
Basically, we're arguing over terms. Many people don't consider "boost scaling" to be the same thing as "throttling".
But... that's not throttling, it's simply not boosting as high.So you have your own interpretation of what throttling is. To me its when it drops clocks at all which as already just mentioned happens first right before 65 C.
I got that number from the previous poster, who I assumed had done their research.And no you dont drop below base clocks when you hit 82 C so not sure where you got that from.
No it is throttling because it is at a certain boost speed and then it drops down when it hits that temp. Again you just have your own definition of what throttling is. Throttling to me is ANY time the clocks have to drop because of temps, power limit or any other reason the card has to back off.But... that's not throttling, it's simply not boosting as high.
I got that number from the previous poster, who I assumed had done their research.
Looked it up, actual throttle temp is at 92c on a 980 Ti.