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Windows 10 vs. Windows 8.1 vs. Windows 7 Performance
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Absolutely. 7 while good does sit in the older windows camp of only being tolerable on older hardware. 8 and above are absolutely superior on that. I know one mentioned it as better on his Athlon 2, well no duh it is. That isn't even remotely decent by today's standards. Microsoft has really stepped up their game with supporting lower power machines since 7. I'm just saying those claiming noticeable performance gains on something like an i5 and above are full of it. Small gain sure, but nothing to write home about.
My laptop that I tossed it on is an older mobile mad. I honestly forget which one but it's probably on par with an upper end Athlon 2. Win 10 just blows 7 away on that kind of machine.
Windows 10 was slower for me on my desktop and laptop, laptop was real bad! easy 2x worse than 8.1, lots of disk activity and no point hibernating the computer cause it took as long to cold boot!. So bought a SSD then performed a clean install was much much faster of course with help with the SSD but fact that an A8 4500m with a crucial BX100 250GB drive was decently faster than my desktop with a i7 4790k @ 4.8GHz and OCZ Aigility 3 480GB, which tells me to flatten it and do a clean install, after which it too was much faster. Wonder if these benchmarks was from an upgrade or a FRESH install?
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How come people are posting that this is faster and that is slower, but provide no data?
My folder opened 20ns faster then the other OS........ Sure! Show me the proof!
My folder opened 20ns faster then the other OS........ Sure! Show me the proof!
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I've had the opposite.
I find my SLI has been more stuttery and odd going to Win10, and just doesnt feel the same as it did in 8.1
Probably just teething issues. Too early to tell.
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Oh look, more reinforcement of the very old idea that an operating system has very little to do with the performance of the hardware running it.
The only thing interesting I found in that article was that it now takes less time to turn a computer on from a powered off state than it does to resume from sleep or bring it out of hibernation which makes either of those capabilities a lot more pointless-tastic than they were before.
The only thing interesting I found in that article was that it now takes less time to turn a computer on from a powered off state than it does to resume from sleep or bring it out of hibernation which makes either of those capabilities a lot more pointless-tastic than they were before.
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Zarathustra[H];1041787710 said:
And for no apparent reason it is behaving very well today. Stutter is almost gone, and feel is much improved, but I can't figure out why. No changes made at all, and no new updates...
Personally i would just format your drive and start from fresh make sure you rip your CD key before you do that too. MS didn't send me an email with the key and your Windows 7/8/8.1 key won't work.
I used https://www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/ the free version is all you need to get the OS key.
I used https://www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/ the free version is all you need to get the OS key.
I'm in the relatively low-end bracket and performance is more or less the same (fps wise) in the few games I play. Everything else I haven't really noticed or cared to look for much difference. BUT!!, GTAV is waaay smoother for me on 10, no more jerkiness, night and day difference, that alone makes it worth it for me (still the same fps though ~50-60). And before the naysayers chime in, yes this is comparing a fresh clean install of 7 to a clean install of 10, same 15.7.1 catalyst on both. So there is at least some small benefit to gaming on 10 in some situations. After all, shit is situational, man.
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Or they fixed something in 10 and didn't in 7.
I love win 7, but since I had a copy of 8 I am running that with classic shell. Once 10 is all done being beta tested I will upgrade.
They really do need to bring this back. So many people complain about it, yet it's such an easy thing for them to just toss back in. There is no reason whatsoever for them to ignore our wishes on this.
I've seen a few mods out there for this that might be suitable in the meantime for you guys running Windows 8/10.
They claimed part of the reason for removing it to begin with was performance issues. Sure, some may notice better performance if they're using a laptop but I didn't notice a difference on my PC (which is what this benchmark article proved).
There are other behind-the-scenes changes like improved security claims etc but it's not enough of a difference for me, like many others, to warrant the jump from 7 to 10 permanently. The only thing they have that might force my hand later on down the line is DX12.
I've tried one of the Aero Glass mods but it didn't work.
There are other behind-the-scenes changes like improved security claims etc but it's not enough of a difference for me, like many others, to warrant the jump from 7 to 10 permanently. The only thing they have that might force my hand later on down the line is DX12.
I've tried one of the Aero Glass mods but it didn't work.
IMHO:
Windows 10: Minimal, clean, utilizes HiDPI and font scaling much better than previous versions, faster than Windows 8, but contains illegal code which has always-on invasive privacy issues. Also, developed by millennials who care nothing about privacy, the rights of others, worthless modern apps, and super dumb kids.
Windows 8/8.1: It's ok, not as great as Windows 7, utilizes HiDPI and font scaling ok, also Windows 8 causes a lot of disk thrashing and destroys hard drives. Also, developed by millennials who removed one of the most useful applications within Windows THE START MENU, contains worthless modern apps, removes Hyper-V for processors (ie: Q6600) that support it (unless using enterprise), and super dumb kids.
Windows 7: Perfect, but HiDPI and font scaling needs work.
Windows 10: Minimal, clean, utilizes HiDPI and font scaling much better than previous versions, faster than Windows 8, but contains illegal code which has always-on invasive privacy issues. Also, developed by millennials who care nothing about privacy, the rights of others, worthless modern apps, and super dumb kids.
Windows 8/8.1: It's ok, not as great as Windows 7, utilizes HiDPI and font scaling ok, also Windows 8 causes a lot of disk thrashing and destroys hard drives. Also, developed by millennials who removed one of the most useful applications within Windows THE START MENU, contains worthless modern apps, removes Hyper-V for processors (ie: Q6600) that support it (unless using enterprise), and super dumb kids.
Windows 7: Perfect, but HiDPI and font scaling needs work.
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Your opinion is duly noted and looked down upon with all haste.
Windows 7 is far from perfect though but hey, enjoy it well it lasts.CreepyUncleGoogle
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Where did you get the information on the ages of the people who designed Windows 8-10? From what I was able to find, the people responsible for making those design decisions are usually senior developers and project leads who are generally speaking, prune-butt old people who are like in the middle or end of their working careers.
You know what, don't bother replying. I'm pretty sure that you don't really have any reliable data on that whole thing and are just looking toward an age group you don't like because you're afraid or envious of them. It's pretty normal old people psychology so don't worry about it being a big deal. People who have more active, younger brains recognize this and will just give you a nod and smile to make you feel okay.
I figured it might have been a performance reason. But since today's current gen hardware slices through it without issue, they should bring it back.
I think its more of the use of the graphics card draining the battery in tablet and laptops quicker. Personally i don't care about it if it's in or not i can disable it if need be to get a extra 10mins battery life out of my laptop lol.
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Glad i play old ass games!
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Vista had that issue but I don't notice any such thing on Win8.1 here.
windows 10 "we gave it away free and people still felt that it wasnt good enough"
i love windows 10 so far, directx12 cant wait!
Well if I already have an OS then the cost to continue using it is also free. Given the upgrade cost of free, then it comes down the the plusses and minuses of each product. That's up to each individual to determine as you may personally value features and changes differently than I do. I personally feel that the telemetry and data mining, plus the forced updates of win 10 detracts enough where I'd rather not upgrade. Dx 12 is currently meaningless as no games use it. A feature that is unused is meaningless in practice. For me I'll stick to win 7.
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windows 10 "we gave it away free and people still felt that it wasnt good enough"
i love windows 10 so far, directx12 cant wait!
It's a mixed bag IMHO.
They still have a bunch of significant bugs to fix, but that's expected with any new release.
Windows 10 has plenty of positive aspects. It feels nice and lightweight. GUI response is nice and snappy, and the drive footprint is nice and small. DX12 looks like it could be really special, or fail spectacularly due to handing off so much of the render pipeline to game devs (and we all know how great game devs are at creating solid bug free code...) but I am cautiously optimistic about it.
The question is if it is worth what you are giving in exchange though. Selling ones privacy first born, putting up with uninstallable applications intended to suck you into Microsofts ecosphere, allowing Microsoft to use my internet connection to distribute THEIR software, and all the annoying cloud integration are all pretty strong negatives to me.
You can work around most of them, by running it with a local account only, disabling anything and everything that involves sharing data during install, hiding the icons for the uninstallable apps, etc.) but the philosophy here REALLY rubs me the wrong way.
I've been fighting against this shit in phones for almost a decade, and it feels like we just lost a major battle in that this crap is making its way to computers too.
I want my phone to be more like my computer, NOT my computer to be more like my phone.
I want my computer to be web connected, but NOT web integrated. I want every aspect of communication with the outside world over the network to be manually controlled by ME, without any poorly documented behind the scenes crap. I want a local only experience, not part of a cloud, until the very moment I launch my browser (or other application that contacts the outside world).
If anything, Microsoft - with this release - has pushed me further into the arms of Linux, rather than bringing me into the fray.
The loss of control of ones own computer, and the erosion of privacy, coupled with peoples apathy about it is very very depressing to me.
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Their boot times seem off.. Under Win 7 Home x64 w. 840 EVO, I'd land at my desktop from a cold boot in about 12 seconds. With Win 10, it's closer to 7 seconds.
Yep. Windows 10 is not FREE. You're paying in privacy.
I've been running it on a spare PC since launch and had the realization yesterday that the only thing I gained over Windows 8.0 was CTRL-C/CTRL-V copypaste ability in a DOS box. That's it. Pathetic.
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There's no proof that there's any loss of privacy beyond diagnostic information when not using a Microsoft account and all privacy settings off, off means the data isn't collected off sent. And with the privacy settings on and using a Microsoft account, there is some benefit to that in that it provides additional functions and features and cloud integration that makes dealing with multiple devices and platforms easier. For instance editing a Word document on a desktop and being able to access that document on an Android/iOS phone or tablet without having to connect the device to a PC. That kind of feature is a core capability that's at the heart of this lack of privacy complaint.
Actually I don't agree. Just because this guy installed and ran this on a system and it performed the same it doesn't mean there isn't a threashold where performance differences are more drematicly obviouse.
A Core i3 might not have showed the same level of equality, or a lower clocked processor;
The specs of the author's test system are different then the minimum specs for Win7.
Author's test system
Minimum for Win7
If the author wants to make this claim he needed to have tested Win10 on a system meeting the minimum systems specs for Win7.
There is a very compeling need to upgrade. I spent almost $600 for one copy of Win7 Ultimate and two of Win7 Pro. Win7 will certainly run out of support prior to Win10. The free upgrade is a compeling reason to extend the life of my operating system at no great personal cost to my wallet. I will be doing the same on another system very soon.
To me, this is as compelling as it gets.
Some of this could just be the result of a "fresh" install. I know it's not truely a completely fresh install, but I am pretty sure it cleans out a lot of stuff that was tieing down some people's systems.
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I recently upgraded to Win10 (from Win7 home premium x64) on my laptop. MS gave me Win10 Pro x64. After the upgrade, I pulled the key and did a fresh install after making the installation media with the Windows 10 download tool from MS.
I5m Ivy Bridge
4GB RAM
240GB Kingston HyperX 3K
Win7 boot time from power-off state to fully loaded session: 35-45 seconds.
Win10 boot time from power-off state to login screen: 5-6 seconds, another 7-10 seconds for fully loaded session after logging in.
Everything just feels snappier and faster with Win10. I get about 30-45 minutes more run time off a full charge. Color me impressed.
I5m Ivy Bridge
4GB RAM
240GB Kingston HyperX 3K
Win7 boot time from power-off state to fully loaded session: 35-45 seconds.
Win10 boot time from power-off state to login screen: 5-6 seconds, another 7-10 seconds for fully loaded session after logging in.
Everything just feels snappier and faster with Win10. I get about 30-45 minutes more run time off a full charge. Color me impressed.
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I feel like Win 7 and previous versions were largely a clean slate for me to install programs on and customize to fit me. Like a nice big clean desk.
I feel like Win 10 is a desk I'm taking over from someone else filled with all their crap, bobbleheads, toll dolls, pens, inboxes, post-its, that spot where they had a notice taped down for years and now there's an impossible to remove adhesive splotch...and every time I want to do something I've got to clear out an area so I can do what I want to do.
Yeah, they both ultimately allow you to do the same things, one just has a couple layers of clutter and obstruction on top of it. It doesn't make my life easier, it makes my life harder, so Free isn't going to cut it. I'm hoping someone will release a stripped down Win 10 install package at some point before the free upgrade offer expires.
I feel like Win 10 is a desk I'm taking over from someone else filled with all their crap, bobbleheads, toll dolls, pens, inboxes, post-its, that spot where they had a notice taped down for years and now there's an impossible to remove adhesive splotch...and every time I want to do something I've got to clear out an area so I can do what I want to do.
Yeah, they both ultimately allow you to do the same things, one just has a couple layers of clutter and obstruction on top of it. It doesn't make my life easier, it makes my life harder, so Free isn't going to cut it. I'm hoping someone will release a stripped down Win 10 install package at some point before the free upgrade offer expires.
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Another tidbit, is the Xbox one controller only works wirelessly with win10. They tool out this ability for all previous windows. I have almost a super computer of a system and am debating of I should somehow find a way to dual boot win10.
1. Games on win10
2. Everything else win7
Any ideas anyone.
1. Games on win10
2. Everything else win7
Any ideas anyone.
You sure thats not Fast Boot? Its a nice feature, if you're charging your battery every day. Just dont leave it on for laptops/systems on batteries that aren't charged regularly. After 1-2 months you'll have a dead battery. I've been testing it in a backup cheapo $230 laptop since late 2013. These days I'd guess it is about 25% of a battery charge per 2-3 weeks.
When it is off, win8 boots no more than 5s faster than win7 in my experience (all depends on the system of course). Usually that is 25-35 seconds. When fast boot is on, it wakes up a laptop/computer in 8-10 seconds vs 10-15 in win7. So like, super faster. So much faster that I really can't tell the difference, certainly not with an ssd.
Win10 and its free upgrade proves the old maxim, you get what you pay for. With all the data tracking, you are the product.
Data tracking can be turned off!
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That is not correct at all. You are confusing sleep mode with fast / hybrid boot mode. Fast boot fully powers the computer off 100%.