I Like Windows 10 But I'm Going Back To Windows 8.1

Zarathustra[H];1041775239 said:
What I don't understand is why Microsoft decided to continue this 32bit nonsense with Windows 10. They should just have dropped 32bit and gone 100% 64bit, so that all software vendors can finally atop worrying about making their software backwards compatible.

I mean seriously, has there even been a 32bit x86 chip since the introduction of Core2 in 2006?

Kill it off! Give 32bit a much deserved burial
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There are a lot of machines still out there that either aren't x64 compatible or that are resource constrained such that a 64 bit OS is more overhead than they are designed to handle. Acer launched a Cloudbook $160 Windows 10 laptop that only has 16 GB of storage and on 32 bit Windows will fit on that. Plus Windows 10 is designed to run on like Raspberry Pi and other IoT types low resource devices that don't benefit from x64.
 
Seems like the most complaints are 10 was "rushed" to market without 3rd party being in the loop to have drivers ready.
I've had no trouble so far, all drivers installed and work without any issue on a 7 year old computer.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041774964 said:
From the people who brought you this? :p

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lol unfair dude that was designed in the 80s

what does a IBM PC look like from the 80s pretty ugly also.
 
ep0x73 said:
Seems like the most complaints are 10 was "rushed" to market without 3rd party being in the loop to have drivers ready.
I've had no trouble so far, all drivers installed and work without any issue on a 7 year old computer.
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No time? This reminds me of Creative and GPU makers saying they didn't have time with Vista. They had TONS of time....they just didn't do anything. Creative (in the vista beta/RC) released something like one driver. That's it. There was no new driver post Beta.

Vista may not have been quite ready, but the peripheral mfgs had time. I feel like the same is true this time too. We've known about this for 6-9 months...I bet they knew more than you and I.
 
heatlesssun said:
There are a lot of machines still out there that either aren't x64 compatible or that are resource constrained such that a 64 bit OS is more overhead than they are designed to handle. Acer launched a Cloudbook $160 Windows 10 laptop that only has 16 GB of storage and on 32 bit Windows will fit on that. Plus Windows 10 is designed to run on like Raspberry Pi and other IoT types low resource devices that don't benefit from x64.
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OK, but they have 5-8 years to upgrade those machines. They don't have to move from 7 or 8 to 10.

Cutting the chord tells companies here's when this is going away. As of now, MS has essentially said, we'll make a 32 bit OS forever.
 
I'm straight with Win7. It's blazing fast on my system and It runs any application without issue. Win8 wouldn't run some of my apps, sounds like win 10 is even worse, for now.
 
nilepez said:
No time? This reminds me of Creative and GPU makers saying they didn't have time with Vista. They had TONS of time....they just didn't do anything. Creative (in the vista beta/RC) released something like one driver. That's it. There was no new driver post Beta.

Vista may not have been quite ready, but the peripheral mfgs had time. I feel like the same is true this time too. We've known about this for 6-9 months...I bet they knew more than you and I.
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Well let's be fair here, in the case of Creative, it was worse than them not doing anything. They intentionally didn't WANT to update their drivers. That's what the whole Daniel_K incident was about, he got all features working for their cards on Vista and they threatened to sue him because of it, saying they had the right to withhold features from their drivers. The idea was they intentionally wanted to block fully functioning drivers, because that would be a "feature" of their next card lineup.
 
nilepez said:
OK, but they have 5-8 years to upgrade those machines. They don't have to move from 7 or 8 to 10.

Cutting the chord tells companies here's when this is going away. As of now, MS has essentially said, we'll make a 32 bit OS forever.
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We're not talking just about machines from years ago but machines that are currently on the market today. There are a shitload of sub $200 Windows devices on the market that reach those price points because of low hardware specs. Some of these devices are even under $100. Cheapest x86 device I ever bought last November was the HP Stream 7 tablet. $97 including shipping with a discount. But with only 1 GB of RAM it doesn't meet the minimum spec to run x86 Windows 8.x or 10. Upgraded it to 10 the other day and its running fine for such a cheapo device.
 
VIC-20 said:
I don't hate 10, but damn I'm underwhelmed. Its just so bland looking IMO.Icons and text look ugly and poorly drawn to me.

Such a wasted opportunity now that Apple has gone to boring and bland, Microsoft could have hired some Nintendo artists and launched a very pleasing to look at UI.

'Bout the only real gripe I have really.
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I feel the same way. Not digging the low tech/simple look of it.
 
tetris42 said:
Well let's be fair here, in the case of Creative, it was worse than them not doing anything. They intentionally didn't WANT to update their drivers. That's what the whole Daniel_K incident was about, he got all features working for their cards on Vista and they threatened to sue him because of it, saying they had the right to withhold features from their drivers. The idea was they intentionally wanted to block fully functioning drivers, because that would be a "feature" of their next card lineup.
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Don't be surprised if this happens again.
 
Dan_D said:
That's a good way to describe Metro.
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I should add that if they did, I wouldn't buy another. I'd just get an external DAC (possibly Schiit Bifrost) and hook it up to the on board sound using toslink.
 
Zepher said:
I feel the same way. Not digging the low tech/simple look of it.
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I remember in the Vista era when all of the effects stuff was all the rage and things like 3D cube virtual desktops and all of that. You can spend all of this time with effects and adornments and creating artificial beauty for its own sake and at the end of the day I don't think it matters that much.

When I think of it, what's 90% of interacting with a computer about? Record and virtual audio & video, static images, iconography and text. That's not to the aesthetics can't be better and I think the biggest aesthetic issue with Windows 10 is inconsistency.
 
All you Bought, and Paid For, Windows 10 Promoters, circle your wagons, and Attack, Denigrate, Minimize, and Be Little, anyone who agrees that any past OS is still better than the new, glorious Windows 10 Bloatware, now!

If you try to shun Windows 10, don't worry, King MS will simply install Windows 10, on Your Computer, For You, like it tried to do on mine.

Again, you who said (KB3079904) can't "Do That", seem to be Assuming what the True Purpose of what (KB3079904) was put on Our Systems for!

You can plainly see below, that King MS tried, and fortunately Failed, to install Windows 10 Pro Three Times, in a 17 Minute Period of Time, on My PC!

You Can Also see that (KB3079904) was installed on both my Systems a Little Earlier as Well!

If (KB3079904) had nothing to do with King MS' Sneaky, Backdoor, Attempt to Steal my Legally "Bought-and-Paid-For" Three copies of Windows 7 Pro (64 Bit) Software, Then What Did?

As Soon as I Removed (KB3079904) From My Systems, the Windows 10 Pro Installation Attempts Ceased TOO!

However, King MS immediately Tried to Re-Install (KB3079904) on Both Our Systems, even before I Could Shut Them Down!

As the Installation of (KB3079904) Were Not Un-Announced, Like the Windows 10 Pro Attempts Were, I Simply "Hid Them", so I Hope to Be Some What Safe, at Least Until King MS Comes Up With Their Next Underhanded, Sneaky, Backdoor, Windows 10 Installation Ploy!

My Windows Up-Date screen Excerpt
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Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro Installation date: ‎7/‎29/‎2015 21:45 Installation status: Failed

Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro Installation date: ‎7/‎29/‎2015 21:31 Installation status: Failed

Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro Installation date: ‎7/‎29/‎2015 21:28 Installation status: Failed

Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3079904) Installation date: ‎7/‎20/‎2015 19:55 Installation status: Successful

(KB3079904) Purpose: A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.

PS: King MS later tried to re-install an earlier KB that smooths the way for a Windows 10 install on my systems as well, but I foiled that attempt too!
 
/me tries to read that post above but just can't do it, can't get past that first sentence...

I needed a good laugh today so, thanks for the comic relief. :p
 
Zarathustra[H];1041775605 said:
Well, my X-fi Titanium HD already has basic support with included drivers in Windows 10. Creative web page promises Win10 drivers by end of October, if I recall.
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So they had a year in advance to create drivers for 10 but never bothered, now the state 2 months after the release they will have them? wow talk about being lazy.

Least Realtek had sound/NIC drivers ready well in advance.
 
GotNoRice said:
It's amazing, so many of the "problems" people have with a new OS boil down to it simply not working exactly like their old one did.

It's a new OS, it's not supposed to be exactly like your old one.
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Irrelevant if the new way of working is not improve on the old, or worse, makes everything more difficult because Microsoft has new marketing goals they'd like everyone to conform to.

End of the day, do you want to work for an OS, or do you want the OS do work for you?

GotNoRice said:
People need to give themselves at least a little bit of time to get used to a new OS before they go on some obnoxious rant about it mostly due to their own frustration and ignorance.
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If customers are experiencing frustrating, the designers blew it. Again.
 
Old Paul said:
All you Bought, and Paid For, Windows 10 Promoters, circle your wagons, and Attack, Denigrate, Minimize, and Be Little, anyone who agrees that any past OS is still better than the new, glorious Windows 10 Bloatware, now!
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Bloatware is a pretty hilarious statement, considering a fresh install takes all of 8GB or so on the drive.
 
DPI said:
Irrelevant if the new way of working is not improve on the old, or worse, makes everything more difficult because Microsoft has new marketing goals they'd like everyone to conform to.

End of the day, do you want to work for an OS, or do you want the OS do work for you?
If customers are experiencing frustrating, the designers blew it. Again.
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This is the same argument made against Windows 7. Everyone bitched and moaned about every little UI change, most of which had existed since Vista and in the case of the start menu, they were complaining that it no longer had a menu that was deprecated 8 years earlier.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041775810 said:
Bloatware is a pretty hilarious statement, considering a fresh install takes all of 8GB or so on the drive.
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Really? Wow...that's smaller than 7 or 8.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041775810 said:
Bloatware is a pretty hilarious statement, considering a fresh install takes all of 8GB or so on the drive.
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Just did a clean install on my wife's Toshiba Encore 2, did the updates including the store apps, installed the Facebook app because she's big into that and a couple of other apps, pinned he major sties to Start, no local data yet, will load up some pictures and setup Grove Music, 45.1 GB free out of a total 53.8.
 
hmmm, I'm going to fire this up in vmware and see if I like it.
 
nilepez said:
Can't you just map a network drive to the media folder(s)? That's what I've done with XBMC/Kodi for years.
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I have mapped to the network drive in both A and B boxes. When you try watching a movie, it starts to play, then a few minutes in it starts stuttering. I have let it go for an hour and it will not stop. I know the NAS and the router are working fine because I can watch movies or recorded shows on my htpc or laptop.
I have the same problem trying to record shows. Kodi sees my HDHomeRun Extended just fine. I can watch and record shows to my computer but will not let me record to the NAS. The only way I can record to my NAS is by recording through my htpc, window 7, or logging into my NAS and recording through MythTV. I am running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Desktop version with FlexRaid tRaid software.
 
dcds1 said:
I have mapped to the network drive in both A and B boxes. When you try watching a movie, it starts to play, then a few minutes in it starts stuttering. I have let it go for an hour and it will not stop. I know the NAS and the router are working fine because I can watch movies or recorded shows on my htpc or laptop.
I have the same problem trying to record shows. Kodi sees my HDHomeRun Extended just fine. I can watch and record shows to my computer but will not let me record to the NAS. The only way I can record to my NAS is by recording through my htpc, window 7, or logging into my NAS and recording through MythTV. I am running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Desktop version with FlexRaid tRaid software.
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Strange, because all of my video is on a fileserver and Kodi does fine. Now I will say if your HD is really full you may have issues...especially if your server is doing other things, but that's got nothing to do with it being networked.

All in all, I find Kodi to be a great tool; however, I don't record TV with it, so I can't comment on that functionality.
 
schizrade said:
This is how I know you have never used 8 or 10 for any length of time. The speed difference on the same machine is quite noticeable. Our OptiPlex 7010's at work lag on 7, but race on 8.1. Once people saw how much faster 8.1 runs, they started requesting it. The end users honestly don't care if you take 5 minutes to explain the small difference top them. 90% of them have that ah-ha moment and carry one.
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I don't notice a difference between editions, though I to set all my visual FX to favor performance.

I just don't get "windows 8 is faster", its all perception IMO.
 
gps_guru said:
I really like Win 10.
I reverted to Win 8.1 on my Surface 3 for a couple reasons:
1. Battery life is significantly worse. I went from 9-ish hours to 7-ish hours, too much of a decrease for me.
2. Brightness settings are annoying. I like the slider because it lets me turn down the brightness low until I really need it.
3. Sleep/connected standby issues. Every morning the Surface would be super sluggish/unresponsive and I would have to restart it before I could use anything again.
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Have the first two issues on my Miix 2 11, and throw in the third as well on our Acer R7.

*sigh*

Think its back to 8.1 for us.

BB
 
PimpUigi said:
This. Windows 8.1 >>>>> Windows 7, I don't get why anyone would run 7 if they can run 8.1, but hell, most people just don't know www.classicshell.net
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That fixes 1 out of 5 of the major flaws with 8.1. Sadly, 10 brings them all over and adds some more. If Win 7 "is slow" then your hardware is trash or you're filling it with lots of unnecessary crap.

Still waiting for people to find out all the nonsense with 10 so I can hopefully disable it all without any 3rd party programs. I'll be moving the 8.1 laptop over soon. Desktop will remain on 7 for a while longer. Largely waiting on SSD prices to drop and I'd like to do a clean install. Laptop will get an in place upgrade.
 
Fooled around with it for a bit. It's decent. Would be good on laptops and tablets of the windows version. I'm sticking with win7 on my main machine. Everything is fast and works exactly like I want it to, not to mention it looks great. The last thing I want is to encounter a bunch of new problems with a new OS interrupting my workflow when it isn't needed.
 
schizrade said:
Windows 7 is so slow compared to 8 and 10, who the fuck would do that?
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I didn't notice much (if any) difference going from Windows 7 to 8.1.

The UI in 10 does feel snappy to me though. Hard to put my finger on what it is about it. Possibly better hardware acceleration?
 
xIronCrossx said:
Once you get used to windows 8.1 and how to search for files you'll realize how slow 7 really is. Accessing hard drives/folders is much quicker and the search function removes the need for the start button.
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Because it's much faster to click the mouse, moving my hand to the keyboard while trying to remember how to spell that program I used 6 months ago by typing it in several time until I get close enough, and then clicking the result.

No, I prefer the faster/simpler start menu on Windows 7, where all it takes is a couple mouse clicks and maybe a couple spins of the scroll button, and I don't even have to move my hand from the mouse.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041776148 said:
I didn't notice much (if any) difference going from Windows 7 to 8.1.

The UI in 10 does feel snappy to me though. Hard to put my finger on what it is about it. Possibly better hardware acceleration?
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Neither did I, but I'm pretty sure that benchmarks showed that 8 was faster than 7 (and I assume 8.1 is faster as well).

Reality is that I didn't notice much difference between vista and 7 when 7 came out. I liked 7's UI more, but at that point, vista wasn't bad. I definitely liked it better than XP by 2009.
 
I rolled it back tonight on the miix2. For a tablet, 8.1 is just better. At least until the rough edges are smoothed out by a few patches.
 
nutzo said:
Because it's much faster to click the mouse, moving my hand to the keyboard while trying to remember how to spell that program I used 6 months ago by typing it in several time until I get close enough, and then clicking the result.

No, I prefer the faster/simpler start menu on Windows 7, where all it takes is a couple mouse clicks and maybe a couple spins of the scroll button, and I don't even have to move my hand from the mouse.
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Wow, I can't imagine hunting around the start menu in 7 or 8 to find a program. I quit using the mouse for all but the most common programs (e.g. pinned to the menu/start page) 6 years ago. If it's faster for you I can't argue with that, but I found the only way it was usable that way was if I constantly moved programs around the start menu and used a lot of folders and sub folders. It works, but for the most part, I just type what I want and it comes up.
 
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