Making Female Video Game Characters With Average Body Types

Youn said:
I'm guessing these guys also never had the fantasy vs reality talk with their parents:

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Ah. Juicers...

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Uh the plus size gta woman retained her proportions rather well, they need to have some saggy upper to her and cellulite to lower part. Unless they are showing her with a large bone structure
 
maverikv said:
Not to nitpick, but neither could women that look like these women. The "top heavy waif" body type, in general, isn't jumping out of any moving trains.
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Actually, it depends. Not all the "sexualized" women are top heavy. And I did say come close to doing those things. An in shape is MUCH closer to be able to do those things. Sure, they can't jump 10 feet in the air, but they can probably jump 3 or 4, better than someone who can jump about a foot high.

Not mention, they did bitch about the amazon from that dragon crown game too.
 
chockomonkey said:
Don't sigh at me :*(

I really don't get it. Just seems like a lot of word play how you said it's all about men.

Couldn't my power fantasy be all about getting women?
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When a man in the comics is ripped and the size of a brick shithouse, that's a male power fantasy.

When a woman in the comics has a size 0 waist and 36F boobs with 3 square inches of clothing, that is a male sexual fantasy.

That's what I mean.

I'm not saying men shouldn't have fantasies, I'm saying pointing out how men are ripped and calling is a double standard is a fundamental misunderstanding of what fantasies are being fulfilled and who is being objectified.
 
maverikv said:
When a man in the comics is ripped and the size of a brick shithouse, that's a male power fantasy.

When a woman in the comics has a size 0 waist and 36F boobs with 3 square inches of clothing, that is a male sexual fantasy.

That's what I mean.

I'm not saying men shouldn't have fantasies, I'm saying pointing out how men are ripped and calling is a double standard is a fundamental misunderstanding of what fantasies are being fulfilled and who is being objectified.
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Okay, yes. Because comics are generally geared towards males.

But lets think about your average chick flick film, geared towards women. You find the same thing. That's my point. The chick is fit and attractive, so is the dude.

As far as i can tell, everyone like's attractive people. So, what's the big deal?
 
And any of this concerns us how?

The games are a product.

If someone doesn't like the product they don't have to buy.

If they think there is a market for a different product they are free to go for it?

The world get's stupider every day.
 
I dunno, foot bindings were pretty stupid back in the 10th century, and that was also about beauty...

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chockomonkey said:
Okay, yes. Because comics are generally geared towards males.

But lets think about your average chick flick film, geared towards women. You find the same thing. That's my point. The chick is fit and attractive, so is the dude.

As far as i can tell, everyone like's attractive people. So, what's the big deal?
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Cuz in chick flicks the characters are played by real people?

Comics are geared towards men. Fine. Is that enough of an excuse? And which was does that logical progression even go?

Comics are drawn for men because men buy comics

Or

Men buy comics because they are drawn for them?

Fwiw, about half the attendants of comic con are women.
 
maverikv said:
Cuz in chick flicks the characters are played by real people?

Comics are geared towards men. Fine. Is that enough of an excuse? And which was does that logical progression even go?

Comics are drawn for men because men buy comics

Or

Men buy comics because they are drawn for them?

Fwiw, about half the attendants of comic con are women.
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So are you saying that until men start reading romance novels, we can't complain about this topic? lol
 
So women are interested in comics.. and women like attractive people, just like men do. So who's to say that the characters aren't drawn for their entire viewing audience?
 
Nytegard said:
While I agree with you on most of it, plus sized is now average. 70% of this country is overweight. We have more obese people today than we had overweight people just 40 years ago. So fat does mean average.
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Fat might be average, I'm too lazy to check that statistic, but the point of what I was saying is that average people aren't super bad ass soldier assassins, martial arts dynamo fighters, world class athletes, heroic figures who have the power to single handedly destroy every evil beast in a realm, etc...
 
Just drop it already, its not a gender thing, everyone, no matter who they are, what gender they are or what their orientation is, likes to see characters who are in shape on screen. No one wants to look at gross fat on men or women.
 
That had to be the funniest shit I have seen all day. Like an episode of where are they now.
 
chockomonkey said:
So women are interested in comics.. and women like attractive people, just like men do. So who's to say that the characters aren't drawn for their entire viewing audience?
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by being this disingenuous.
 
Ironic: arguing that if you don't like certain parts of Reddit then you don't have to look at them, and then expressing outrage when it is suggested that character editor parameters might be allowed to create body shapes that don't represent extreme fitness.
 
The main fact in all of this is that we value attractive bodies too much. Not much point if you don't have a personality to match.
 
collegeboy69us said:
I generally don't care if someone is fat, skinny, fluffy, whatever.... mind your own god damn business. If you wanna be fat, be fat. But don't have the unrealistic expectation that everyone else shouldn't care about their health too.

I'm not ripped and I probably never will be, but 6'1 and 210lbs, I can move when I need to :)
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I am 6'4" and had a six pack at 212 lbs and was considered obese. Had a friend at 6'2" right at the line of being a healthy weight and people said he looked like a skeleton. Weight for people who exercise is a really bad measurement to go by. Put on a few pounds and now at 230. From what I have seen a lot of people have really different body types.

I have dated a few women with more comic book figures. Never could figure out how its possible to have a 4 pack and 34c. Or be tall and lanky with 36c.

My fiance goes crazy for Chris Hemsworth, who I think is a good looking guy built like a tank in the movies. Besides the possible steroid use of some actors, I don't see anything wrong with a ripped guy and a skinny busty chick (no silicone) running around. I don't want to see say a Justin Beiber or Timberlake type playing an action hero. Those two are puny and get tagged as ripped. :confused:

For video games, Diablo 3 is my game, and really like how they did the body types in there. The female barb has just enough brutish good looks to her, while you have the slim sexy demon hunter. Its all fantasy and that's part of the fun of it.

I would rather play as after Captain America than before Captain America.
 
Feminazis, far from sexually attractive themselves, would prefer that women look like prepubescent boys with all the sex appeal thereof. They believe that the male & female sexes are an illusion and that there is only UNIsex, and that both men and women give birth (like worms reproduce) through asexual reproduction. It has been known for some time now that these unfortunate persons are deluded and rarely know if they are male or female--if you see one, please call the nearest mental-health line @ 911-SCREWEDUP
 
I going to throw this out there you can see my ribs sticking out beyond my beer gut. Well cheesesteak gut but same idea... I weigh about 170 to 180 as a guy I can bench about 250 to 300 lbs... if I go crazy and bulk I end up looking like spawn because as a little kid I ate too much at grandparents house... so my ribs are going to be big no matter what I do I was a sprinter in high school these things cahnge the way your body is shaped. the same is true of women only they have four type of pelvis shape. Yes four and one of them is the male shape. Still not sure if that is due to bad diets or doctors changing transgenders to women at a very early age. No idea I do not really care but something I really do get sick of seeing is that people complain that the video game characters are not realistic. In the US we have cheap plentiful food that is simply not there in the rest of the world that is how people can tell someone is from the us at a glance in europe they simply look at the bulk we carry around from eating more food because we can. I tend to eat differently now and wear 32-34 size pants I'm six foot and atletic... women from europe tend to be starved were they do not have a large bust because they lack the fat in their diet kinda like vegans... or they tend to be normal body to heavy set were they eat large amount of pork. Personallly I grew up with pork products and now that while they account for most of the fat on people, the crap in pork that gets stored as fat because it is toxic to your body is what tastes strong. Ideally eating beef, chicken and green veggies leaves you leaner and harder bodied but people want what they want... just they need to accept that the hips on the first character was designed by someone listening to women's sizes and not realizing almost any adult woman is going to have wider hips than most healthy guys because that is simply how nature designed women, they cradle a man's hips inside the edge of theirs and they have to be able to pop one out so to speak this requires space between their legs... people who think a woman's hips are going to be narrower are looking at teenage girls and are creepy. Remember if it is a picture someone else took it could already be photochopped and thus adjusted to an unrealistic body but walk down the beach and look at the hard muscled bodies those will tell you what is natural... if you can see slim hard muscles follow bone lines that tells you want is your base line.
 
travanx said:
I am 6'4" and had a six pack at 212 lbs and was considered obese. Had a friend at 6'2" right at the line of being a healthy weight and people said he looked like a skeleton. Weight for people who exercise is a really bad measurement to go by. Put on a few pounds and now at 230. From what I have seen a lot of people have really different body types.
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Unfortunately some idiots seem to forget there's anything beyond the Ectomorph and Mesomorph body types (and always get THOSE confused).

So you see silly portrayals like this:

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When, at the upper end of the "built" scale, it's actually more like this:

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I had a bitch of a time in the Army. I was classified as obese and put on remedial PT. Which only served to bulk me up more, not slim me down. Their "universal body type" was established back in the 30's, and is essentially the ectomorph body type.

The upper end of my "ideal" weight class at 5'10" was 160 lbs.

Sure. Maybe for an ectomorphic body type, sure!

I was down to 160 exactly ONCE in my life, right at the end of my occupational training and about the time I got sent to Korea for my first assignment.

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From this time forward, I pretty much stopped LOSING weight and continuously put on muscle mass. By the time of my first PT test in-country, I'd shaved three MINUTES off my 2 mile run time and doubled the number of pushups and situps I could do.

But I was failing tape tests left and right.

AFAIK, 23 years later, they're still doing this. Rather than displacement tests or actually acknowledging other body types exist.
 
travanx said:
I am 6'4" and had a six pack at 212 lbs and was considered obese. Had a friend at 6'2" right at the line of being a healthy weight and people said he looked like a skeleton. Weight for people who exercise is a really bad measurement to go by. Put on a few pounds and now at 230. From what I have seen a lot of people have really different body types.
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Even by BMI, 212 at 6'4" isn't considered obese. Overweight, yes, but not obese. BMI has a ton of flaws in it. As you mentioned, if you're in shape, with a low body fat percentage, you can be considered obese. Also, it's not great for taller individuals. I'm roughly 6'7", and anything over 220 is considered overweight. I'm ~230 lbs, yet most people consider me on the thin side. At a healthy weight on the lighter end, like you're friend, I look like a skeleton. It's also why I don't believe NBA statistics. I by no means have a low body fat percentage, and I've seen some of the players, and they're far bigger than me (talking bulk here).

And while there are different body parts, I don't really think it's because most women are fitness buffs. Gym rats in general can be discounted on the weight statistics. According to the CDC, only ~20% of adults in the USA meet basic exercise goals. And the goals aren't exactly lofty. We're just a nation of lazy sloths who'd rather blame everyone else about our own inability to take responsibility on our own fitness.
 
Steve said:
By now, most people on the planet realize that characters in comics, movies and video games have over-the-top, unrealistic physiques. I just don't understand why this is an issue. It's make believe, it's entertainment. Besides, what fun would it be to play a realistic version of yourself in a video game? I get tired running to the fridge. :D

For example, plus-sized women are a rarity in video games, and when one does show up, she’s typically unusual looking. More often it seems video games are home to ultra-slim waistlines only. If video game creators are going to pride themselves on accurate digital representations, then it’s time for them to get real about women.
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So they photoshopped Cortana from Halo so she could accurately represent all the blue women of the world?
 
Zarathustra[H];1041752666 said:
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You guys posting this realize that men have body image issues just like women, right? Doesn't take much searching to find bodybuilders with body dysmorphic disorder, starving and binging and bulimic, anorexic and whatever else -- just like women.

Also, you can look great and have a ton of issues. Again, BBers in the 90s taking tons of drugs and killing themselves to be the hardest, grainiest they can be for what is basically a beauty pageant. Eating a ton of easy calories from McDs and taking steroids like some of the douchebags I've met = health issues.

It's probably true that men don't complain about this sort of thing much, but it exists. It upsets me to see you guys act like a bunch of rhymes with witches.
 
sonsonate said:
You guys posting this realize that men have body image issues just like women, right? Doesn't take much searching to find bodybuilders with body dysmorphic disorder, starving and binging and bulimic, anorexic and whatever else -- just like women.
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Quick question though, are the men like that because they saw comics, action figures, cartoons, etc and thought they had to look like that? Or was there some underlying issue from the start?

Now the difference between men and women in cases like this? Men we try to help, women we try to blame everyone else for making them feel like they need to look like that and demand everything else changes, and yes we do get women help too but for men we don't say comic books, cartoons, action figures, video games, etc need to change.
 
What women want that's not realistic. Men can't be werewolves or 100 year old vampires. And we can't glitter during the day either.

Though it would be cool but the love story behind it would suck.
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Ah, yes. Because I play video games to escape my crazy life of gunning down aliens and having orgies with supermodels, I need a video game to settle down and have a more realistic experience to ground my expectations in the realities of average humans, who are fat and do nothing all day.

That is the purpose of art, not to show us the best in human potential, not to tell us engaging story, not to celebrate the virtuoso performance, but to prize what is most mediocre. Art should bore and depress us by driving home just how insignificant and meaningless most of our lives really are. If anything extraordinary should be portrayed in art, then it is sullied. "Hotel art" at best.

No. Do not show me the ugliest or most beautiful humans. Do not show me the best or worst of human potential. Please, just show me the most completely unremarkable boring people and things.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Quick question though, are the men like that because they saw comics, action figures, cartoons, etc and thought they had to look like that? Or was there some underlying issue from the start?

Now the difference between men and women in cases like this? Men we try to help, women we try to blame everyone else for making them feel like they need to look like that and demand everything else changes, and yes we do get women help too but for men we don't say comic books, cartoons, action figures, video games, etc need to change.
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hahaha, what are you talking about? did you really not grow up in this society or not interact with anyone when you were growing up?

women get blamed for their inadequacies all the time. It's one of the main reasons they internalize these social demands and tear the shit out of their bodies, either through binding, vomiting, dieting, starving themselves, or insert any other form of female body issues they grow up trying to resolve. We have entire mainstream industries devoted to encouraging women to feel like shit about themselves and spend billions upon billions of dollars per year collectively to change their appearances.

There is now a growing sliver of voices in society bringing attention to these issues and trying to inform people that some of these things are turning deadly and detrimental.

We definitely don't "help" men other than telling them to stfu and deal with whatever they have. I doubt anyone in here even knows what sonsonate was referring to. People are not born with underlying issues about how they look. Those things are structured within society learned and from an early age.

Spokespersons for those kinds of cases when they involve men do speak out against the ways in which pop culture depicts how men should look and act.

One of the criticisms of popular culture is to discuss how we ascribe agency to men and take it away from women. In that regard, your point was somewhat correct but not necessarily in the way that you meant. Men are socially viewed as agentic and in control so they are expected to handle things themselves and change external factors whereas women are perceived to be (and often expected) to be less agentic and subsequently expectations that they need to be protected from external threats. That's the pivot point of male chauvinism, which some people in this thread are going to shit a brick sideways over the mere mention of and decry how they can't open a door for a lady without getting shit for it from someone.
 
Hmm ... some of those parody "realistic" women figures look ... unrealistic
 
There are plenty of women out there with the default body shape, there's nothing unrealistic about them.

What makes them think these characters would want to look obese if they did exist in real world? Many women out there would reject the idea of looking that heavy themself. Therefore it's unfair to criticize game dev for making women with sexy curve when even in the real world, women would want to look like that to begin with. And there are many of them who do look like that.

I get it if the site wants to promote plus sized women, but don't do it by attacking video games with a false pretense.
 
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