EVGA GTX 980 - $236.54 for Price Matching ONLY

wizzi01 said:
You still didn't answer my question. How does a valid link become fraud? If it was in stock at microcenter I would have went and paid $67 for a 290.
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When you know that the link isn't valid for an item that was never being sold for that price, then you could potentially be prosecuted for fraud.

It was never in stock at MC for $67, it was never sold for that price, and the only way to present it to a cashier at any other store was to deliberately not choose a store from the drop down box, take a paper print out of the item so that it appeared to be sold somewhere, and hope that the cashier wouldn't try to verify it on another computer where the link wouldn't be accessible.

Pay attention to my explanation above your post here: the listing isn't accessible through the MC website. It's an internal page that is being cached by Google. You only knew about it because a thread like this posted it, but try to find it through their website and it's not possible. That's why people were saying to take it in on their phones or print it out on paper...so the cashier couldn't verify what everyone in this thread knows to be true--the item doesn't exist for sale at that price (or any price at all, the item is an old stock product that is no longer for sale).
 
wizzi01 said:
You still didn't answer my question. How does a valid link become fraud? If it was in stock at microcenter I would have went and paid $67 for a 290.
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You have to either save the page on your phone or print it out, you cannot search for the item and voila, the price of $67 or $250 shows up, like a regular in-stock or out of stock item.
 
felt said:
You have to either save the page on your phone or print it out, you cannot search for the item and voila, the price of $67 or $250 shows up, like a regular in-stock or out of stock item.
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It's still not fraud
 
wizzi01 said:
It's still not fraud
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Yes, it is fraud. You misrepresent the price to a cashier and it's fraud. You don't have to literally falsify the price yourself with a photoshop to qualify for fraud. You can sugar it all you want but you have multiple people in this thread with the requisite legal expertise telling you it's fraud. I'm surprised this thread is still open. They've been shut down every where else other than reddit.
 
mope54 said:
No, they were never in stock. It's an old stock item still lingering in their systems that are no longer sold but automatically updated. The page isn't available through MC's system but indexed via Google, which is how people are finding these "deals."
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Actually they were in stock. The very same GTX980 that everyone was going bonkers over on this page was sold right at my local MC, in NYC. It was pulled out of some docking station and put on the clearance aisle, mentioned to me by one of the employees that I spoke with regarding this deal, when it first came out.
 
I think that's a bullshit story but it doesn't matter since price match guarantees exclude clearance items anyway.
 
What are all the "this is fraud" people even trying to defend?
It's a corporation, they would fuck you any chance they get and yet some people think that a corporation is an individual that can be hurt. Even according to law and terminology a corporation is not an individual.

You go and get one card for half off, or even two, big deal. The only real a-holes are the people that feel the need to buy every last card in stock because they want to flip them to make a profit.
 
filip said:
What are all the "this is fraud" people even trying to defend?
It's a corporation, they would fuck you any chance they get and yet some people think that a corporation is an individual that can be hurt. Even according to law and terminology a corporation is not an individual.

You go and get one card for half off, or even two, big deal. The only real a-holes are the people that feel the need to buy every last card in stock because they want to flip them to make a profit.
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And the thief who breaks into your house says "Look at this guy's nice stuff! If he can afford all this, he probably has the money or insurance to replace it. Me? I'm poor and could never have this stuff, I deserve it for all I suffer being in poverty. I mean, he left his door unlocked, he was basically asking for someone to do this."

But yeah, take a stand against corporations... You know, as long as it means you get a cheap video card. You're a real warrior for human rights and consumer protection. If only you could buy so many 980s that Best Buy said "You know what? We're being an evil corporation. Free healthcare for all employees, for life!"
 
dr_drift said:
And the thief who breaks into your house says "Look at this guy's nice stuff! If he can afford all this, he probably has the money or insurance to replace it. Me? I'm poor and could never have this stuff, I deserve it for all I suffer being in poverty. I mean, he left his door unlocked, he was basically asking for someone to do this."

But yeah, take a stand against corporations... You know, as long as it means you get a cheap video card. You're a real warrior for human rights and consumer protection. If only you could buy so many 980s that Best Buy said "You know what? We're being an evil corporation. Free healthcare for all employees, for life!"
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That guy the thief is stealing from is an individual. Individuals get hurt even if they have insurance, and that thief only wanted to get what he was after for free. When he gets caught he goes to jail.

On the other-hand if you live in the US I could tell you what corporations have done. There is this corporation called Goldman Sachs. They sold toxic (subprime mortgages) to investors. Not just wall street guys but people with 401k's, retirement plans, and even in some cases money of those who were already retired. They told everyone that these were grade AAA investments but at the same time Goldman Sachs bet that everything they told you was AAA was going to crash and be worth nothing at all.

We know who told everyone what was rated AAA even though they bet it was worth nothing. You know what happened? Nothing because they give "opinions" which means they are not liable. They actually got paid for their bet with your tax paying dollars.

That is one of the better examples because the fall out can still be seen today all over America. That is what a corporation is and that is why It does not matter if you buy a card from them for half price.
 
filip said:
That guy the thief is stealing from is an individual. Individuals get hurt even if they have insurance, and that thief only wanted to get what he was after for free. When he gets caught he goes to jail.
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Corporations are hurt when people defraud them out of money, no matter how small. Everyone is harmed by crime! And the "free" thing... alright, so if I broke into your house and stole your $500 TV and left you $20 on the counter, you'd be cool with it? Good to know.

filip said:
On the other-hand if you live in the US I could tell you what corporations have done..

That is one of the better examples because the fall out can still be seen today all over America. That is what a corporation is and that is why It does not matter if you buy a card from them for half price.
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If stealing from a corporation is fine because "all corporations harm," then is it okay to steal from a person who has lied or broken the law? Or does your idea of retribution only apply to people in business suits who say stuff like "strategic objective"? Those mean fat cats who ruin the world with their tax breaks and BMWs.

If you, as a person, harmed someone or lied or did something immoral, that puts you in the same boat as the corporation, right? If we're talking only about people or entities who have done something immoral, no matter the magnitude. So it's like a Robin Hood thing. Hey, I know this guy that defrauded some business out of $300 for a video card. I mean, his hands are dirty, so it's totally okay to bust into his apartment and take it out of his computer!

Don't try to justify your stealing by saying that the victim "deserved it." It's cheap and idiotic. They didn't "deserve" it. You just wanted to do something wrong, for whatever reason. You benefited from it and someone lost something as a result of it. That's the facts. And if you're comfortable with that, then fine. Just admit that's why you're doing it and don't pretend to be some social justice crusader because you're too cheap or poor to buy a video card at full price.
 
dr_drift said:
Corporations are hurt when people defraud them out of money, no matter how small. Everyone is harmed by crime! And the "free" thing... alright, so if I broke into your house and stole your $500 TV and left you $20 on the counter, you'd be cool with it? Good to know.



If stealing from a corporation is fine because "all corporations harm," then is it okay to steal from a person who has lied or broken the law? Or does your idea of retribution only apply to people in business suits who say stuff like "strategic objective"? Those mean fat cats who ruin the world with their tax breaks and BMWs.

If you, as a person, harmed someone or lied or did something immoral, that puts you in the same boat as the corporation, right? If we're talking only about people or entities who have done something immoral, no matter the magnitude. So it's like a Robin Hood thing. Hey, I know this guy that defrauded some business out of $300 for a video card. I mean, his hands are dirty, so it's totally okay to bust into his apartment and take it out of his computer!

Don't try to justify your stealing by saying that the victim "deserved it." It's cheap and idiotic. They didn't "deserve" it. You just wanted to do something wrong, for whatever reason. You benefited from it and someone lost something as a result of it. That's the facts. And if you're comfortable with that, then fine. Just admit that's why you're doing it and don't pretend to be some social justice crusader because you're too cheap or poor to buy a video card at full price.
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If you pay for something you are not stealing, went to the store charged the item got a receipt and walked out. (nothing like your poor example that is nonsense)

As far as justice crusader I would put you in the bundle of sticks. Some people went and bought a graphics cards for half off and you are butt hurt for what reason? Because you did not get one?
Next thing you will site me that BS that: crimes against a corporation are worse that to an individual because a corporation helps a lot of people so in theory you hurt a lot of people when you offend a corporation.

I buy things at the market price (what I can get them for) I paid $500 for my 780 and paid for everything else I own. This new addition to my collection of Items was also paid for with a have a nice day at the end from the clerk that sold it to me.

And I just have to LOL at this:
"Don't try to justify your stealing by saying that the victim "deserved it." It's cheap and idiotic. They didn't "deserve" it. You just wanted to do something wrong, for whatever reason. You benefited from it and someone lost something as a result of it. That's the facts. And if you're comfortable with that, then fine."

Did Best Buy fire you because you price matched something :D

Here is the bottom line if you can't grasp it, Best Buy was selling these graphics cards to people that showed them a website and asked for a price match. Would you go the the store where something is offered (price match guarantee) on the items a clerk will match and tell them hold on a second I want to pay you twice what that thing is worth because I have some kind of moral compass I want to share with the world in this particular situation because it suits me.
Please get off your high horse, you do the same things as everyone else and that pedestal you have set yourself upon to preach to others should be stepped down from.
 
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filip said:
If you pay for something you are not stealing, went to the store charged the item got a receipt and walked out. (nothing like your poor example that is nonsense)
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That's an oversimplification. You're forgetting that there's an element of deception involved as well, in many cases. If the clerk searched the site for it, it wouldn't come up. If it were truly an open box or clearance item at MC, then those other retailers say that they won't match that. But people got around that by printing it out or having the page loaded on their phones. Finding the "dumbest" or most ignorant cashier. Trying several different employees or locations after being told that they couldn't price match because it didn't fit their policy. It's classic fraud. By the letter of the law. I'm not acting as an authority on morality, I'm saying that we as a society have defined this behavior as wrong.

filip said:
As far as justice crusader I would put you in the bundle of sticks. Some people went and bought a graphics cards for half off and you are butt hurt for what reason? Because you did not get one?
Next thing you will site me that BS that: crimes against a corporation are worse that to an individual because a corporation helps a lot of people so in theory you hurt a lot of people when you offend a corporation.
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Not a crusader. I'm not going to act because of what happened. Not looking for "justice." I just prefer people to be honest with themselves. I never said I don't do immoral things. Of course I do. And when I do them, I don't pretend that they're right or that I'm not affecting anyone. I would never rob someone and say, "I told him to give me his money. He gave it to me. I mean, he was free to say no. His choice."


filip said:
I buy things at the market price (what I can get them for)
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LOL market price? The market cannot bear that price. What you can get things for... that's a different price entirely, depending on the depths you're willing to go.

filip said:
Here is the bottom line if you can't grasp it, Best Buy was selling these graphics cards to people that showed them a website and asked for a price match. Would you go the the store where something is offered (price match guarantee) on the items a clerk will match and tell them hold on a second I want to pay you twice what that thing is worth because I have some kind of moral compass I want to share with the world in this particular situation because it suits me.
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No, I would never print out a clearly erroneous price in order to dupe some cashier into giving me a massive discount on an expensive item. I think it's a slimy thing to do and I don't want to be one of those people who feel entitled to something just because they want it and they have some sense of being wronged by someone. Y

But hey, you deserve it, buddy. Those government bailouts mean you can trick Best Buy customer service workers into giving you that 980. Good work. Wait until Goldman Sachs hears how you got one over on them!
 
Ahh what ever this conversation is pointless when $150-300 is considered a massive discount. (I actually got one 970)
Maybe I should see if Goldman will hire me my uncle used to work there it's like getting born into the gang :)

The morality/ right or wrong that I hear from people on something like this just blows my mind comparing it to strong armed robbery and burglary. And at the end of the day most of those people have something they are hiding and they have to point fingers at others. I am fine with my purchase and I will enjoy it for the life of the card.
 
filip said:
Ahh what ever this conversation is pointless when $150-300 is considered a massive discount. (I actually got one 970)
Maybe I should see if Goldman will hire me my uncle used to work there it's like getting born into the gang :)

The morality/ right or wrong that I hear from people on something like this just blows my mind comparing it to strong armed robbery and burglary. And at the end of the day most of those people have something they are hiding and they have to point fingers at others. I am fine with my purchase and I will enjoy it for the life of the card.
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Right? :)

Zero feelings hurt. I've spent thousands upon thousands at BB in the last few years alone. The amount of profit they've made off me far outweigh anything they may have lost on this transaction.

Before I even touched a card I went to CS, showed them the page and asked "will you price match this?" I even told the manager after it was ok'd that if I were denied, I would have understood. I can also guarantee you that I will spend countless more dollars at that specific BB store in order to make sure it stays profitable. This was and is simple business.

Sounds like there are quite a few butt hurt people that were denied matches.
 
The main thing that stopped me from trying to jump on this deal was it involved putting on pants.
 
I did it when the ad was still searchable. If it shows up on a website, and you can pull it up in-person on a computer, then I say it's no big deal. The thing my conscience couldn't do would be to take the saved PDF version of a webpage in that has disappeared from the internet, and try to price match it. I didn't walk into the store with deception being my intent, and they had the item in-stock. It was kosher with their price-match policy, so it was kosher with me.
 
jssaylor2007 said:
I did it when the ad was still searchable. If it shows up on a website, and you can pull it up in-person on a computer, then I say it's no big deal. The thing my conscience couldn't do would be to take the saved PDF version of a webpage in that has disappeared from the internet, and try to price match it. I didn't walk into the store with deception being my intent, and they had the item in-stock. It was kosher with their price-match policy, so it was kosher with me.
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It wasn't kosher with their price-match policy the CSR simply made a mistake...a mistake that may very well cost him or her a job.

That's the main concern I had with the price match. That and the fact that it makes legitimate price matches unnecessarily difficult. And topped off with the fact I didn't want to waste my time chasing some BS because I'm not hurting for a hundred bucks badly enough to drive all over town and argue with people.

And before you respond that it must have been ok with their policy because they did it, the facts are the card was a clearance price and a different part number than Best Buy's sku. I also don't think the ad was ever searchable through their inventory, the issue was that their site is being indexed by google and searchable via a google search, but that's neither here nor there in light of all the other issues.

I'm not on any sort of crusade. I only entered the fraudulent discussion when a number of people kept asking if the cards were ever in stock and that they were sad they missed out on the deal. Most people are going to be bummed out if they needed a card and really could have only afforded it at this price, but I would hope that the majority of them would feel less bummed after finding out the deal was borderline illegal or at the least immoral for a variety of reasons.
 
No one is going to lose there job over this, they might be reprimanded and taught the right way to do things and those are the sour managers you get to deal with at stores.

I realize that some people might consider this immoral to the extent of comparing it to armed robbery but it's no that big of a deal unless someone tries really hard to make it a big deal.
 
The saved, pdf/img trick is way too cheesy. I can modify webpages all day. Surprised that even worked. Doesn't BB always check on their computers at the very least?
 
It depends who is serving you, I had a manager (seemed like an ass) look at a coupon from the bestbuy website for a good 10 minutes before he let the cashier use it. At my local store they will take what you show them on your phone as a fact, printouts don't work smoothly in my experiences they always look up what I bring in on the website/ internet.
 
mope54 said:
I would hope that the majority of them would feel less bummed after finding out the deal was borderline illegal or at the least immoral for a variety of reasons.
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I'd even say let's forget legality and morality - that's pointless to debate since people will tell themselves just enough lies to rationalize it. It's a scam, pure and simple. Exploiting and abusing the hospitality of the price matching system against a database error. But that people are scumbags is not exactly new. What really separates the scum from joe bargain hunter is the people actually getting into store managers faces and arguing like something is owed them. That is epic lack of dignity.

The people that were bragging how they got their wife/girlfriend to join in and "I had her go and she made out with two cards LOL" is also just.. trashy, since they probably didn't realize it was a scam they were carrying out. On SD there was some brain surgeon that casually mentioned how he had his teenage kids helping out - they'd drive up, park and take turns going in, and he'd flip the cards on ebay.

/old lady waving broom
 
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filip said:
No one is going to lose there job over this, they might be reprimanded and taught the right way to do things and those are the sour managers you get to deal with at stores.

I realize that some people might consider this immoral to the extent of comparing it to armed robbery but it's no that big of a deal unless someone tries really hard to make it a big deal.
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As someone who worked retail for a number of years (including one of the stores used for pricematching)....bullshit. It's entirely possible that they'll lose their jobs over it. I've seen it happen before over $70 and some change with a TV that ran over $1300 simply because they didn't check to see if the product was actually in stock at the competing store.
 
BOTA:49 said:
As someone who worked retail for a number of years (including one of the stores used for pricematching)....bullshit. It's entirely possible that they'll lose their jobs over it. I've seen it happen before over $70 and some change with a TV that ran over $1300 simply because they didn't check to see if the product was actually in stock at the competing store.
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I call bullshit on that unless the manager/asshat wanted to make an example out of someone. At major chains like staples and best buy this hardly happens especially today (there is literally no one going to any B&M store anymore). An example of just that: in this case staples stores were sent memos to stop further price matching, after that if someone priced matched they would get in trouble, before the memo not likely to happen at all.
 
filip said:
I call bullshit on that unless the manager/asshat wanted to make an example out of someone. At major chains like staples and best buy this hardly happens especially today.
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Probably because they can get sued for it lol
 
filip said:
I call bullshit on that unless the manager/asshat wanted to make an example out of someone. At major chains like staples and best buy this hardly happens especially today (there is literally no one going to any B&M store anymore). An example of just that: in this case staples stores were sent memos to stop further price matching, after that if someone priced matched they would get in trouble, before the memo not likely to happen at all.
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Call bullshit all you want, I was standing right there when it happened. You're grasping at straws to justify why she was fired for something other than price matching something she didn't look into. These policies are in place BEFORE memos are sent in (verify it's the same SKU, verify that it's in stock at a location within a set mileage, verify that's the price offered without rebates) and if they don't follow the policy then yes, they can get fired for it. It doesn't happen all the time, but it's entirely possible.
 
BOTA:49 said:
Call bullshit all you want, I was standing right there when it happened. You're grasping at straws to justify why she was fired for something other than price matching something she didn't look into. These policies are in place BEFORE memos are sent in (verify it's the same SKU, verify that it's in stock at a location within a set mileage, verify that's the price offered without rebates) and if they don't follow the policy then yes, they can get fired for it. It doesn't happen all the time, but it's entirely possible.
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Yeah it is also possible that I will get hit by another car while driving, I still drive.
You know of one person that has been fired: :rolleyes: you have better odds of getting into a plane crash than getting fired price matching form the looks of it.
 
BOTA:49 said:
Call bullshit all you want, I was standing right there when it happened. You're grasping at straws to justify why she was fired for something other than price matching something she didn't look into. These policies are in place BEFORE memos are sent in (verify it's the same SKU, verify that it's in stock at a location within a set mileage, verify that's the price offered without rebates) and if they don't follow the policy then yes, they can get fired for it. It doesn't happen all the time, but it's entirely possible.
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Just because you worked at a retail store, doesn't make you an expert, there must have been more to it than just $70....Go yo ass back to staples
 
DPI said:
That is epic lack of dignity.
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Good points. Fraudsters always get all high and mighty when they get called out on their bullshit. Witness the last two posts by filip and felt...
 
mope54 said:
Good points. Fraudsters always get all high and mighty when they get called out on their bullshit. Witness the last two posts by filip and felt...
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Listen to yourself, I have never heard such BS in my life. If I wanted to defraud someone I could, hell I could go steal if I wanted to. You guys are butt hurt because you could not get a card or because you feel you have a moral compass just like the priests that praise piety and live in mansions, not to name the other horrible things they do.

I don't give a shit, I got my card and it means nothing to me, hell I'll send it to you for free if you are on well-fare so I can help you out in your life/situation.

These people on here defending corporations and I don't even know what else need to go on a missions trip to help people out to see what the real world is and then they won't have time to complain about this shit.
 
filip said:
Yeah it is also possible that I will get hit by another car while driving, I still drive.
You know of one person that has been fired: :rolleyes: you have better odds of getting into a plane crash than getting fired price matching form the looks of it.
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That....is a terrible analogy. Transportation of any sort is practically a requirement these days. Having a high end GPU is not. There's no point in even attempting to discuss this with you judging by your posts, so I won't bother anymore.

felt said:
Just because you worked at a retail store, doesn't make you an expert, there must have been more to it than just $70....Go yo ass back to staples
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A) I never claimed to be an expert, B) I actually moved out of retail years ago, and C) wrong store. Just pointing out that it is entirely possible that someone lost their job over this, because in my experience people have. However, if you feel the need to be a jackass to a complete stranger on the Internet for pointing out that it's entirely possible that your greed on a GPU could have really screwed someone over, go for it. Whatever makes you feel good, buddy!
 
The store/employee/manager should be able to spot an "illegitimate" price match. It's a pretty simple check; is this a clearance item? Is this item in stock at the other location? Does everything fall in line with my store's price matching policy? If I show them my phone or a piece of paper then I assume they are going to do their job accordingly. I've done plenty of "normal" price matching and the employees have handled it well each time.

I saw the link for the $67 Radeon, and what I still don't understand is why the price showed for this in the first place.
 
BOTA:49 said:
That....is a terrible analogy. Transportation of any sort is practically a requirement these days. Having a high end GPU is not. There's no point in even attempting to discuss this with you judging by your posts, so I won't bother anymore.
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Yeah that analogy flew right over your head. The odds of what you are saying "will happen" are slim, so slim that it is pointless to even point out that one firing you witnessed.

Just like going out of your house can put you in danger no one is staying in their houses all day scared shirtless.
 
htpc_user said:
The store/employee/manager should be able to spot an "illegitimate" price match. It's a pretty simple check; is this a clearance item? Is this item in stock at the other location? Does everything fall in line with my store's price matching policy? If I show them my phone or a piece of paper then I assume they are going to do their job accordingly. I've done plenty of "normal" price matching and the employees have handled it well each time.

I saw the link for the $67 Radeon, and what I still don't understand is why the price showed for this in the first place.
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Two theories exist but neither point to a card actually being in stock anywhere to justify taking the printout in for a price match:
1. the card was a return that automatically entered into the system when it was scanned. it wasn't put out on the shelf for sale.

2. the sku was in the system and automatically clearance priced during a system-wide price adjustment. again, the card wasn't actually put out on the shelf for sale.

there appears to be stories in these threads of some people going to their MC and finding the card on a table somewhere. But so far they are the variety of a manager told me such and such about the card coming in for stock, etc. It's possible *a* MC had *a* card sitting around somewhere gathering dust that someone happened across.

The certain thing is that these were old sku products that have long since been updated and the chances of them being anywhere were slim to none, hence why they were out of stock at all the drop down locations and why people labeled the thread as "price match ONLY" rather than get your butt into a MC pronto for this amazeballs deal. It was a scam from the beginning.
 
It won't be long before stores just put MC on their list for all stores exempt from their price match policy.
 
filip said:
Listen to yourself, I have never heard such BS in my life. If I wanted to defraud someone I could, hell I could go steal if I wanted to. You guys are butt hurt because you could not get a card or because you feel you have a moral compass just like the priests that praise piety and live in mansions, not to name the other horrible things they do.

I don't give a shit, I got my card and it means nothing to me, hell I'll send it to you for free if you are on well-fare so I can help you out in your life/situation.

These people on here defending corporations and I don't even know what else need to go on a missions trip to help people out to see what the real world is and then they won't have time to complain about this shit.
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Shit, I'll take it, I need help :D
 
TFchris said:
Shit, I'll take it, I need help :D
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Ahh first you have to call me a cheap fraudster and go on about how this is like armed robbery at a bestbuy. Oh and also go on about how $150 is such a massive discount that it is worth at least a months earnings. :p Then you might be eligible :D
 
DPI said:
The people that were bragging how they got their wife/girlfriend to join in and "I had her go and she made out with two cards LOL" is also just.. trashy, since they probably didn't realize it was a scam they were carrying out. On SD there was some brain surgeon that casually mentioned how he had his teenage kids helping out - they'd drive up, park and take turns going in, and he'd flip the cards on ebay.

/old lady waving broom
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That right there would be my only gripe about hot deals like this. Yes, my wife came and picked a card up, too. The one she grabbed went into her rig, the one I grabbed when in my rig, and my kids' pc's both received our old cards (they still had 2XX series cards). I don't like the idea of buying just to make a profit off someone else. If I could have picked up 4 all my pc's would have the same vid card. I can't afford $1600 in cards, but $600 was definitely within my reach to get everyone current.
 
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