Microsoft Commits To 10-Year Support Lifecycle For Windows 10

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Microsoft has updated its support lifecycle policy for Windows 10.

For Windows 10, Microsoft will continue its traditional 10-year support lifecycle. The five-year mainstream support phase begins with the release of Windows 10 on July 29, 2015, and a second five-year extended support phase begins in 2020 and extends until October 2025. (That's a few months later than July 29, 2025, because of the way Microsoft calculates support dates.)
 
Wooo please fail so Windows 7 support continues as long as it did/does for XP.
 
pxc said:
Wooo please fail so Windows 7 support continues as long as it did/does for XP.
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10 years is pretty standard as far as like OS support is concerned from MS. They did extend XP like a year or so, but Vista is supposed to get dropped in 2017 and 7 is going away in like 2019 (or 2020...I don't remember exactly).

What's weird is that I was kinda under the impression that Win10 was going to introduce like a new support model for Microsoft's OS. Like it was supposed to be the last major version type of release and that 10 would get incremental updates and slowly change over time like is kinda hinted at in this article.

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/windows-10-last-version-windows-ever/

If they put like a normal 10 year support cycle thing-y on it, what does that mean for this new support model? Is it not gonna be like they were thinking it would be earlier?
 
so does that mean they have a 10 year plan before they go out of business with the "last operating system"? This seems kind of an odd statement.

Also xp had a 14 year shelf life... I'm guessing this will be beyond 10 years if it is a success especially if modular in scope and upgrading. Technology will change alot in 10 years... maybe microsoft doesnt see windows a part of the future?

confused/please explain.
 
I currently have systems running both Win 7 & 8. Win 8 offers me zero advantages over 7. I haven't read of any features of Win 10 that make me think "I need that!"

Win 8 works, and I'm sure Win 10 will work. However "Microsoft wants you to" is not a good reason to change OS.
 
win10... what I look forward to:
a. directx12
b. xbox one integration to the pc
c. win10 on xbox one within 6-12months.
 
pxc said:
Wooo please fail so Windows 7 support continues as long as it did/does for XP.
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No, just no. The newer OS's have plenty of improvements both under the hood and little niceties like updated file copy dialogs. I often find myself attempting to use features by habit available in later OS's when shackled to Windows 7 at work.
 
jroe52 said:
so does that mean they have a 10 year plan before they go out of business with the "last operating system"? This seems kind of an odd statement.

Also xp had a 14 year shelf life... I'm guessing this will be beyond 10 years if it is a success especially if modular in scope and upgrading. Technology will change alot in 10 years... maybe microsoft doesnt see windows a part of the future?

confused/please explain.
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It means they don't want to make a commitment to support it for longer than 10 years at this time. 10 years is a long time and their strategy may change. 10 years is way longer than Apple supports each version of their OS.
 
pxc said:
XP is still somewhat supported via (non-MS blessed) hacks to get server and embedded version critical updates until 2019. I don't know why many home users would want to do that, but it's possible.

7 could get very long extended support too if enterprises avoid 10 like they did for 8.x.
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I stuck with XP as long as I could. Finally switched to Windows 7 only two years ago I think. At this rate, I'll consider a new operating system when Windows 13 comes out (actually, I think they've already introduced several "version 13s", which I why I'm in no hurry to "upgrade".)

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
pxc said:
Wooo please fail so Windows 7 support continues as long as it did/does for XP.
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Perhaps you didn't notice, but Windows 7 support is already over. It ended on January 13th.

It may have 4.5 years of "extended support" left, but that just basically means patches for security flaws. There are no new features, no real updates, no major optimizations...

The OS is stick a fork in it, done... at this point. Which is basically why, in case you haven't noticed, Windows 7 machines (especially older ones) are getting progressively slower (and more unstable) as new updates have come out since January.

Microsoft is in minimal effort hot fix and maintenance mode for Windows 7 at this point, and Win7 is basically grandma at the old folks home, "living" on by artificial means and suffering a little bit more every day while everyone just waits for her to die because they don't want to be the one to hold a pillow over her face to get it over with.
 
jroe52 said:
so does that mean they have a 10 year plan before they go out of business with the "last operating system"? This seems kind of an odd statement.

Also xp had a 14 year shelf life... I'm guessing this will be beyond 10 years if it is a success especially if modular in scope and upgrading. Technology will change alot in 10 years... maybe microsoft doesnt see windows a part of the future?

confused/please explain.
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No, its only "the last version of Windows" until the next marketing campaign.

Not that that would be a bad thing. At some point they might actually pull their heads out and realize they need to scrap the ugly Metro tiles completely and develop a touch based UI design that doesn't repel consumers.
 
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot said:
Perhaps you didn't notice, but Windows 7 support is already over. It ended on January 13th.

It may have 4.5 years of "extended support" left, but that just basically means patches for security flaws. There are no new features, no real updates, no major optimizations...
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Funny, I could say the same about Windows 10. Until DX12 games begin trickling out in 2016, what must-have feature can you point Windows 7 users to that would vault them over the fascination threshold? Virtual desktops? Cortana? A buggy new browser with no extension support? Do tell.
 
DPI said:
Funny, I could say the same about Windows 10. Until DX12 games begin trickling out in 2016, what must-have feature can you point Windows 7 users to that would vault them over the fascination threshold? Virtual desktops? Cortana? A buggy new browser with no extension support? Do tell.
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Eh, the fact that Windows 8 (and 10) are far more optimized and run much faster than the bloated old codebase of Windows 7 is a pretty good reason.

Been using 8 for years now, and have always just ignored the ModernUI stuff on non-touch machines (on touch it's pretty fucking awesome), but going back to 7 (on the same hardware) after using the newer stuff is painfully slower and lots of the little tweaks you get used to are sorely missed.
 
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot said:
Perhaps you didn't notice, but Windows 7 support is already over. It ended on January 13th.

It may have 4.5 years of "extended support" left, but that just basically means patches for security flaws. There are no new features, no real updates, no major optimizations...

The OS is stick a fork in it, done... at this point. Which is basically why, in case you haven't noticed, Windows 7 machines (especially older ones) are getting progressively slower (and more unstable) as new updates have come out since January.

Microsoft is in minimal effort hot fix and maintenance mode for Windows 7 at this point, and Win7 is basically grandma at the old folks home, "living" on by artificial means and suffering a little bit more every day while everyone just waits for her to die because they don't want to be the one to hold a pillow over her face to get it over with.
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Lol wut. They just dropped like 23 updates last Tuesday for 7...hardly seems "done".
 
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Obviously some of you guys don't really work with computers or simply understand Microsoft support lifecycles...

Windows 7 mainstream support is over. Done. Nothing new ever to be added.

It is in "maintenance mode" now for major security flaws and bug-fixes.

If something comes up, it won't be pretty, but it may get patched.

Basically, if someone knocks a hole in the wall, they will toss on some messy plaster and some "close enough" matching paint to "fix" it, but it won't ever look right...

Microsoft can keep tossing out the patches for a couple more years, but they aren't putting much effort into them anymore... hence why Windows 7 machines have been getting slower and more unreliable with many of the new batches of updates.
 
How is an OS that is supposed to be the "Last Windows Ever" going to only have a 10 year support cycle? Are they not moving to the software as a service model? Will there be a new OS not called "Windows?"
 
MavericK96 said:
Seems like a BS claim to me...I haven't noticed any major issues or performance degradation with Windows 7.
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And again, people who obviously don't work with computers and have no clue what they are talking really shouldn't pull personal observations out of their ass and state them as facts...

Ask anyone who manages hundreds of machines (of many different types and configurations) how the last several months of Windows 7 updates have affected the performance/reliability of those said Windows 7 machines on everything from the older/obsolete hardware to the newer mainstream/budget level stuff.

You might not notice it on your fancy gaming PC you're using to overcompensate for your tiny manhood, but real world PCs running Windows 7 have gotten progressively worse over the past several months.

The more recent batches of updates since they've done away with "Patch Tuesday" have helped with the reliability (and greatly reduced updates that nuke entire installs) but the machines are still quite a bit more sluggish.

And yeah, that tends to happen with any older OS to some extent as it ages (it simply collects code bloat and isn't designed with newer applications, hardware, and usage scenarios in mind) but Windows 7 performance took a sharp drop off with every subsequent batch of updates after support ended back in January.
 
GushpinBob said:
What?
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Microsoft has like this policy that an OS will get security updates and features updates (new directx, new versions of IE, and whatever) for five years after the date it's released.

For five additional years, that's the extended support thingy, Microsoft will only supply security updates for an OS. After that, support ends completely.

They do the same thing with their Office suites and other major software products like SQL Servers, SharePoint, and whatever too.
 
MavericK96 said:
Seems like a BS claim to me...I haven't noticed any major issues or performance degradation with Windows 7.
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Look in forums and sites that deal with MSFT news. Or the pulled patches. There have been quite a few major issues with updates and Windows 7.

You may not have on your personal machine, but there's been several updates that have FUBAR'ed Win7 installs.
 
My take on this is that 10 will get these two levels of support per the outlined schedule. Then, when 10.1 comes around, it'll get its own schedule. So on, and so on.
 
Steve said:
Microsoft has updated its support lifecycle policy for Windows 10.

For Windows 10, Microsoft will continue its traditional 10-year support lifecycle. The five-year mainstream support phase begins with the release of Windows 10 on July 29, 2015, and a second five-year extended support phase begins in 2020 and extends until October 2025. (That's a few months later than July 29, 2025, because of the way Microsoft calculates support dates.)
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I hear all the normal King MS Sales pitch, hoopla, and Denials, but I wonder how much more we will "Have to Pay", for King MS' Wonderful, and Glorious, Windows 10, when all is "Said, and Done"?
 
Ur_Mom said:
Look in forums and sites that deal with MSFT news. Or the pulled patches. There have been quite a few major issues with updates and Windows 7.

You may not have on your personal machine, but there's been several updates that have FUBAR'ed Win7 installs.
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I've installed Win 7 on dozens of machines since January and not a single major issue regarding updates. Sometimes updates fail or need a fix the following week, but nothing rendering the machine unusable in any way. I can't say it's never happened to anyone out there but the whole thing sounds vastly overblown if some posters in here are to be believed.

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot said:
And again, people who obviously don't work with computers and have no clue what they are talking really shouldn't pull personal observations out of their ass and state them as facts...
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Boy, your opinion sure looks more like fact when you have to resort to personal attacks... :rolleyes:
 
This tinfoil hat wearer still needs one thing clarified. If the Win10 install is tied to the hardware and a Microsoft Live account how does one install it again on a different mb?
 
StormUP said:
No, just no. The newer OS's have plenty of improvements both under the hood and little niceties like updated file copy dialogs. I often find myself attempting to use features by habit available in later OS's when shackled to Windows 7 at work.
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This is what annoys the hell out of me. There really isn't that much included to warrant spending the money. And your statement is a classic example of that. I'm not attacking you at all, just using your reminder to express my point.

"under the hood" improvements are great, especially when it means things like UEFI and faster booting/native USB3 support and etc etc. But on the other hand i've got Win7 running on a UEFI mobo on a 2600K (still running stock) and it boots/reboots that quickly its unreal. Even after 4 years of always-on and 5 days a week workstation use.

Now i wish MS would give us more user facing enhancements and stop kicking us in the teeth with half assed ones. Your dialog box comment is the perfect example. I was pumped when i seen the Windows Blog post about them updating file copy dialogs and the task manager. Only to finally get my hands on it in the 8 CP (which was n infuriating experience) and get a huge slap in the face on software developers current theory of "make it so simple... you can do shit... but it looks pretty". It is super infuriating as a power user (and i use that term loosely... i consider anyone with a brain for efficiency and not going backwards on many levels, as a power-user. not just another drone that checks face book and doesn't understand how the internet even works technically). I just dont know why they would make such reasonably expected updates to the dialogs (long overdue. should have been done in WIN7), and then totally fuck them up by not putting basic and relevant information in the dialogs. How many times do you want to know the total time the copy took? How many times when you copy something do you wish to know what the total size of the files your copying are? Both no where to be found in a fkg file copy dialog. FFS.

Don't even get me started on the TaskManager "update". OMG, what retard designed and signed off on those graphs and how they scale the Y-values. Far out.
 
d_stilgar said:
How is an OS that is supposed to be the "Last Windows Ever" going to only have a 10 year support cycle? Are they not moving to the software as a service model? Will there be a new OS not called "Windows?"
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I'll just point out here that Mac OS 10 (oops, I mean Mac OS X) has been out for 14 years now and there hasn't been any questions about Mac OS 11 or any confusion about how the updating and upgrading process works.

Microsoft is ever working towards being more like Apple. Microsoft even named the Win10 upgrade notification app "GWX", probably as a sneaky little hint that they really wanted to call it Windows X but Legal wouldn't allow it.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Look in forums and sites that deal with MSFT news. Or the pulled patches. There have been quite a few major issues with updates and Windows 7.

You may not have on your personal machine, but there's been several updates that have FUBAR'ed Win7 installs.
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Yes there have been some borked patches recently. We had a couple that would crash Outlook and in an enterprise that is probably just slightly better that across the board bluescreens. These we even found were situational.

That said problematic/FUBAR patches causing errors is in my opinion very different than patches that degradate overall system performance across the board as being claimed. I should ask though.

We have not heard anything about performance issue in our 10k node environment. Our desktop techs still are bitching about SCCM 2012 not working 30% of the time (rightfully so, MS can't even figure it out... that's what we get for using their new application model).
 
WTF is detailing the same thing that's happened to most windows OS's before, no different with 7 other than it was a lot better to start with.

You know how older GPU's always seem to get slower with newer drivers, since they optimize for newer cards? Same kinda thing. It's business. With rare exception, the old version of anything is going to get the bare minimum. I don't like bare minimum.

I look forward to trying 10 myself, 8 was a nice upgrade over 7 for both speed and stability, and there were a few kinda neat graphical/organization things, and no doubt tons in the background. It's been great, and mine has looked on my screen just like Windows 7 since about an hour after I first installed it, so no issue there. I never understood what the big whoop was about that goofy tablet interface it starts out in, I think I spent like five bucks for a start menu. Hell of a lot better than writing .bat files to get my soundcard to work lol...
 
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