120/144 Hz - Glossy - IPS - 1080p max Monitor

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I'm looking for monitor with the above (title)'s mandatory criteria..
I have not followed the display market for years so i'm pretty out of date by now.
I know glossy is getting pretty rare nowadays, but I remember some korean crew making some great tweaked 120hz glossy display (yamakasi if I remember correctly)

Are they still on market ? Were they shiftted by some other competitor ? Please help me get back on track :)

System spec below:

HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT (http://bit.ly/1fnXsYP page 4)
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[CPU]       QuadCore Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3.40 GHz (stock)
[GPU]       EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti Superclocked 2GB GDDR5 (G-SYNC ready)
[PSU]       320 Watt (HP-Proprietary) ► can't replace, but can add more if needed
[MEM]      16GB DDR3-1333
[MOBO]     HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT PC (Intel Sandy Bridge Cougar Point Q67)
[DRIVE]     Samsung SSD 850 PRO
[MONITOR]  Acer H236HL [23" IPS 60Hz]
 
the only glossy 1080p high refresh rate monitors are the old samsung 750D/950D and asus VG236 afaik, both of which are TN. none of the high refresh rate IPS monitors are 1080p or glossy. the korean monitors you're talking about are 1440p and are good if you have big dreams but little money. the yamakasi catleap 2B is horrendously overpriced but apparently they don't suffer from the gamma gradient that the QNIX QX2710 does when overclocked (left side of the screen is very bright, and gets darker towards the right.) if you are going to go the korean route, you need to get one that is dvi only, as those are the only ones that can overclock. the MG279Q from asus is around the price of the catleap on ebay ($600), has faster pixel response time, is native 144 Hz, and supports freesync, but is matte and has no form of motion blur reduction tech (you can get glossy catleaps but the screen coating/lack thereof is not listed on the only catleap entries on ebay.) the XB270HU and upcoming PG279Q are the best overall gaming monitors right now, being 27" 1440p 144 Hz IPS with gsync and ULMB. the PG279Q should be out this august but may come later. there are also two upcoming 21:9 35" 144 Hz VA monitors, the benq XR3501 and Acer Z35, but they are only 2560x1080 and i'm not sure if they will have freesync/gsync or a motion blur reduction mode and the pricing so far looks to be completely ridiculous (XR3501 is on newegg for $1,000.) with all that being said, why on earth are you looking for a monitor like this with a computer like that?
 
There should also be a 27'' 1080p 144hz IPS (LG panel LM270WF8) coming towards the end of the year or early next year.
Still no word on any 24'' 144hz IPS or VA despite obvious demand from some users.
For now, looks like they skipped right to 1440p. Maybe next year then.
 
Because I lack technical knowledge, and try to make up my mind from advices I get here and there.. I know misinformation is and will always be a plague on internet, so I'm all open to argument-backed refuting (sorry for my english, not native)
I was told that 1440 resolution monitor would be too demanding for my system
(I guess that my bottleneck is my GTX 750 Ti ? ... or would it be my 2nd gen i7 2600 cpu ?...no idea ... I need to get lighten up with arguments.. I would love to hear that im not bottlenecked at all to go 100fps with a 1440p monitor ... all i'm asking for is this..

Odellus said:
the only glossy 1080p high refresh rate monitors are the old samsung 750D/950D and asus VG236 afaik, both of which are TN. none of the high refresh rate IPS monitors are 1080p or glossy. the korean monitors you're talking about are 1440p and are good if you have big dreams but little money. the yamakasi catleap 2B is horrendously overpriced but apparently they don't suffer from the gamma gradient that the QNIX QX2710 does when overclocked (left side of the screen is very bright, and gets darker towards the right.) if you are going to go the korean route, you need to get one that is dvi only, as those are the only ones that can overclock. the MG279Q from asus is around the price of the catleap on ebay ($600), has faster pixel response time, is native 144 Hz, and supports freesync, but is matte and has no form of motion blur reduction tech (you can get glossy catleaps but the screen coating/lack thereof is not listed on the only catleap entries on ebay.) the XB270HU and upcoming PG279Q are the best overall gaming monitors right now, being 27" 1440p 144 Hz IPS with gsync and ULMB. the PG279Q should be out this august but may come later. there are also two upcoming 21:9 35" 144 Hz VA monitors, the benq XR3501 and Acer Z35, but they are only 2560x1080 and i'm not sure if they will have freesync/gsync or a motion blur reduction mode and the pricing so far looks to be completely ridiculous (XR3501 is on newegg for $1,000.) with all that being said, why on earth are you looking for a monitor like this with a computer like that?
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A 750ti isn't powerful enough to game at 1440p, you are correct.

You're going to have to budge on one of your other requirements to stay at 1080p
 
[L]imey;1041718620 said:
A 750ti isn't powerful enough to game at 1440p, you are correct.

You're going to have to budge on one of your other requirements to stay at 1080p
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Thanks [L]imey
I forgot to tell you about my particular gaming usage: I won't be playing recent games. I intend to play only 2012-and-earlier games (I know it might sounds crazy, but i'm an old-scool lover, combined with a no-compromise mindset) ..
I know most ppl would disagree with this, but personally, Idefinitely prefer having a full gaming experience "all settings on top with 90-100fps" on slightly older games, rather than a compromised lower-settings experience with the more recent games)

This said, does the no-1440p advice still apply ?
Thanks for your input.


*also, it might be relevent to mention that my CPU can be overclocked to 3.80Gz, And that my this Evga GPU is the superclocked 2Gb one .. (newegg link: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487024 )
If that is indeed not enough, what would be the part bottlenecking my setup ? my cpu or gpu ?

I'm well aware that higher resolution has huge impact on performance, hence why i'm all good with your no-go 1440p advice, as long as it still apply to the new detailed I just mentioned above.

HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT (http://bit.ly/1fnXsYP page 4)
========================
[CPU]       QuadCore Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3.40 GHz (stock)
[GPU]       EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti Superclocked 2GB GDDR5 (G-SYNC ready)
[PSU]       320 Watt (HP-Proprietary) ► can't replace, but can add more if needed
[MEM]      16GB DDR3-1333
[MOBO]     HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT PC (Intel Sandy Bridge Cougar Point Q67)
[DRIVE]     Samsung SSD 850 PRO
[MONITOR]  Acer H236HL [23" IPS 60Hz]
 
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Odellus said:
the only glossy 1080p high refresh rate monitors are the old samsung 750D/950D and asus VG236 afaik, both of which are TN. none of the high refresh rate IPS monitors are 1080p or glossy. the korean monitors you're talking about are 1440p and are good if you have big dreams but little money. the yamakasi catleap 2B is horrendously overpriced but apparently they don't suffer from the gamma gradient that the QNIX QX2710 does when overclocked (left side of the screen is very bright, and gets darker towards the right.) if you are going to go the korean route, you need to get one that is dvi only, as those are the only ones that can overclock. the MG279Q from asus is around the price of the catleap on ebay ($600), has faster pixel response time, is native 144 Hz, and supports freesync, but is matte and has no form of motion blur reduction tech (you can get glossy catleaps but the screen coating/lack thereof is not listed on the only catleap entries on ebay.) the XB270HU and upcoming PG279Q are the best overall gaming monitors right now, being 27" 1440p 144 Hz IPS with gsync and ULMB. the PG279Q should be out this august but may come later. there are also two upcoming 21:9 35" 144 Hz VA monitors, the benq XR3501 and Acer Z35, but they are only 2560x1080 and i'm not sure if they will have freesync/gsync or a motion blur reduction mode and the pricing so far looks to be completely ridiculous (XR3501 is on newegg for $1,000.) with all that being said, why on earth are you looking for a monitor like this with a computer like that?
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Hey thanks for your input.
What would you recommand ? (please read my 2 last reply before replyign with this one)
 
Is there any damn place where I can find 75+Hz GLOSSY 1080p monitor ?!
 
Vesqwi said:
Hey thanks for your input.
What would you recommand ? (please read my 2 last reply before replyign with this one)
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there are a lot of pre 2012 games that you won't get anywhere near 120 or 144 fps with a 750 Ti at 1080p. your i7 should be fine for the most part, but older games tend to only run on 2 cores, and the 2600's single threaded performance at stock isn't very good. for example, you won't get 120 fps all the time in something like stalker as the game is fairly cpu heavy but only uses one core, but you would in battlefield 3 as it makes use of up to 8 cores iirc. you could always just buy a 1440p monitor and run your games at 1080p. i'm fairly certain it won't look any worse than a native 27" 1080p screen, and getting rid of the 1080p requirement opens up a lot more (better) options, and using 1440p in 2D applications is extremely nice.

so:
what games are you going to be playing?
what exactly are you going to be using the monitor for? as in, is it going to be 90% gaming, 10% browsing? 50% gaming, 40% movies, 10% browsing? etc. and which do you put the most importance on?
what can you not tolerate in a monitor?
do you want good black depth and contrast? do you want the best colors possible? etc.

and what is your budget?
 
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Odellus said:
there are a lot of pre 2012 games that you won't get anywhere near 120 or 144 fps with a 750 Ti at 1080p. your i7 should be fine for the most part, but older games tend to only run on 2 cores, and the 2600's single threaded performance at stock isn't very good. for example, you won't get 120 fps in something like stalker as the game is fairly cpu heavy but only uses one core. what games are you going to be playing? you could always just buy a 1440p monitor and run your games at 1080p. i'm fairly certain it won't look any worse than a native 27" 1080p screen, and getting rid of the 1080p requirement opens up a lot more options.
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Wise suggestions....
Well here are just some ridiculously brillant title from 2011 and 2010 I have in mind..
I might just drop those I won't be able to play maxed out with good fps, to stay with less demanding but still great classic titles..

[2011]
  • Skyrim
  • Batman: Arkham City
  • Deus Ex: Human Revolution
  • Battlefield 3
  • Dead Space 2
  • Rift
  • Crysis 2
  • Star Wars: The Old Republic
  • ...

[2010]
  • Mass Effect 2
  • BioShock 2
  • Assassin's Creed II
  • Darksiders
  • Metro 2033
  • ...

[2009]
  • Batman: Arkham Asylum
  • Dragon Age: Origins
  • Resident Evil 5
  • Prototype
  • Borderlands

[2008]
  • Mass Effect
  • Dead Space
  • Crysis Warhead
  • ...

and many more from earlier years..

I like the idea of getting 1440p and still be free to run it at 1080p until I upgrade my GPU
So what are we left with now.. I guess I can now consider looking at 1440p Glossy 100Hz+ options ?
If so, you have some in mind ?

HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT (http://bit.ly/1fnXsYP page 4)
========================
[CPU]       QuadCore Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3.40 GHz (stock)
[GPU]       EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti Superclocked 2GB GDDR5 (G-SYNC ready)
[PSU]       320 Watt (HP-Proprietary) ► can't replace, but can add more if needed
[MEM]      16GB DDR3-1333
[MOBO]     HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT PC (Intel Sandy Bridge Cougar Point Q67)
[DRIVE]     Samsung SSD 850 PRO
[MONITOR]  Acer H236HL [23" IPS 60Hz]
 
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Perfect-Pix...651?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20d058e2e3

this is what i would recommend. it's the only readily available glossy 1440p IPS (PLS) that will do high refresh rates (96-130 Hz.) like i mentioned before, the yamakasi is probably the best of the korean panels as it doesn't have the gamma gradient drawback when overclocked, but it's really expensive and availability is limited. i can say from personal experience that this issue is completely unnoticeable in regular gameplay unless you're looking for it. there are some further issues with these though. for one, quality control is fairly poor, but to be honest, quality control on big brand monitors has been almost as bad as of late. the only manufacturing defect that you can't fix with these is dead pixels. i looked in the description but i don't see green-sum's perfect pixel policy, but i think when i ordered from them it was something like a maximum of 2 dead pixels, i think. that was a pretty scary thing, but i ended up getting a completely perfect monitor. if you get one with backlight bleed, you can fix it, but it might require some work depending on how bad it is. it also has no overdrive, which means pixel response times are fairly slow (motion blur.) it has only one input, no scaler, and doesn't work with pretty much anything other than a computer. these are some of the things you have to be able to accept to get a monitor of this caliber at such a price point, and i really don't want you to go and buy one only to get one with one of the problems mentioned here and then blame me. i'd feel pretty bad about it.

if that doesn't sound appealing to you, i'm not really sure what other options there are. i think some people have said that the matte coating on the XB270HU is not that bad, but it's more than twice the price of the QNIX. you could try and find one of the models i mentioned before (the Samsung S27A750D/950D or ASUS VG236) on ebay, but the samsungs are usually ridiculously overpriced. there used to be a guy that sold VG236s for ~$200 on ebay but he seems to have disappeared. these monitors are TN and only 1080p, but they are some of the best TN panels ever made. someone mentioned the LG LM270WF8 which might be of interest to you, but it will probably be matte and $500+.

as for your games, yeah, you'll need to upgrade to be able to run almost all of those at a high framerate, even at 1080p. you should go test them with your computer and a framerate monitor and see how things are, maybe some of them you can turn the settings down enough to get 120 fps, but i wouldn't hold your breath.
 
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Hey mate,

I just thought I drop my 2 cent...

In the case of Glossy panels these days are very rare even at 60hz refresh rate let alone a 120hz+ so your options are quite limited. I my self have been looking for a monitor to replace my old one for close to 9 months now and like you I too prefer glossy screens rather then matte. So where do we stand in terms of the right monitor for you?, well it really dose come down to taking a risk and purchasing a Korean monitor which as others have mentioned here are mainly in 1440p. I'm going to be honest with you, some of these games you mention will most certainly have trouble running at 1440p on the GTX 750Ti, Perhaps you can reduce the resolution and even settings but I doubt you will keep a steady 120 FPS+ so you really could use a GPU upgrade.

As for these high refresh rate IPS glossy Korean monitors well I personally never owned one however others have mentioned that they can indeed be overclocked to run at higher refresh rates however one thing you got to keep in mind is that the pixel response time will most likely not be as high as the competitive TN panels that offer the same performance.

Now you really got to decide if you like to take a chance with the Korean IPS monitors as you could face import tax and a risk of getting a damaged product which might be more trouble then is worth to return for a replacement. But of course on the flip side you can win with a really awesome screen. But unfortunately glossy screens have become a rare thing these days let alone a high refresh rate ones unless you willing to find one of the older models as others have mentioned. Finding a good LCD panel is just frustrating these days as in my opinion they all suck in their own way lol, every single panel has a number of flaws and it really comes down to forcing your self to get used to these flaws or be stuck in a endless loop looking for the perfect screen like me.
 
I'll sell my Samsung 27" 120hz to you if you're really set on glossy 1080p. Pm me
 
Odellus said:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Perfect-Pix...651?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20d058e2e3
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It look pretty good to me. Are you sure the refresh rate is OCable ? I just didn't see anything on that in the description.

[Gaming vs Overall Desktop usage]
- To me, 96Hz is plenty enough for my gaming need.. in the sense that its not only the increased FPS capability that i'm looking for with this upgrade, but also, and mostly, a much smoother overall Desktop experience.. And that's the main reason why I want such a high refresh rate ~80 - 100Hz .. I never had the chance to compare a 80-90Hz monitor vs 120Hz, but I would guess that the benefits over 60Hz is still very noticable.. (60 vs 120hz is day and night to me)
Gaming at 60-70fps is actually plenty enought to me.. (Unless i'm not aware that 60 vs 100 fps is heavily noticable.. I never had a chance to compare)
- As for yamakasi, I still don't understand why they sell those same catleap at two different prices (one being around 500$ in some listing, and aroud 1200$ on other.. same item.. same seller)

Odellus said:
it also has no overdrive, which means pixel response times are fairly slow (motion blur.) it has only one input, no scaler, and doesn't work with pretty much anything other than a computer. these are some of the things you have to be able to accept to get a monitor of this caliber at such a price point, and i really don't want you to go and buy one only to get one with one of the problems mentioned here and then blame me. i'd feel pretty bad about it.
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I'll never blame someone when I clearly see him trying to provide informed advices, and still be able to set aside it's own personal preference/opinions to provide those.. I appreciate your impartial, and abtraction of any random advices..
Going the korean way is most like what I'll do, and I'm whilling to take that risk.
Odellus said:
if that doesn't sound appealing to you, i'm not really sure what other options there are. i think some people have said that the matte coating on the XB270HU is not that bad, but it's more than twice the price of the QNIX.
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indeed, that model is too expensive for me right now, but mostly, its matte, which is NO to me.. I just hate it.
Odellus said:
(the Samsung S27A750D/950D or ASUS VG236)
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is that Asus really Glossy ?
OutlawXGP said:
I'm going to be honest with you, some of these games you mention will most certainly have trouble running at 1440p on the GTX 750Ti, Perhaps you can reduce the resolution and even settings but I doubt you will keep a steady 120 FPS+ so you really could use a GPU upgrade.
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as I said, if I can top at least 70 fps on TOP setting at a 1080p resolution, I'll be satisfied.
 
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yeah it's overclockable, and yes the asus is glossy. i have both as you can see in my signature. if you did not notice, i2abid offered to sell you his samsung. the samsung would be really good for games, and if it's the 950D, it has the ability to strobe the backlight to eliminate motion blur. again, it is TN and 1080p, but it is a very good TN. i would say think it over for a few days, and perhaps see if you can demo a 1440p monitor in person to help your decision. if you have any more questions i can try to answer them, but that's about it, i think.

regarding your list:

the EQD is not IPS, but TN. i can't find anything about the screen coating so it would be safe to assume that it's matte.
the Monoprice will not go higher than 60 Hz, but is either glossy or has a glass sheet over the screen.
the Yamakasi i went over earlier. generally if it doesn't specify glossy, it's matte. you'd have to contact green-sum and ask about it.
the QX2414 is matte and TN.
the Q270 you linked can't overclock (multiple inputs) and is matte. i believe the single input of this can overclock.
the 2703 is a Q270 with a different stand and glass on top of what's most likely a matte screen, but there were cases a while back of people buying tempered glass models and removing it to find a glossy screen beneath. glass + matte is the worst thing possible. all the drawbacks of glass (insane reflections) and matte (sparkle/not sharp) with none of the perks of either.
the QH270 can't overclock, from what i can see, and the seller doesn't say whether it's matte or glossy. i think almost all of these korean monitors come in both, so you have to ask if they don't say.
the Zalcom almost surely can't overclock despite the description saying it can.
the Crossover you linked is multiinput, so it can't overclock. i believe Crossover has a single input model that can overclock, but i'm not sure.
the DP2710 is the exact same monitor as the QNIX QX2710, so yes it can overclock as long as it's the single input version. owner doesn't specify the screen coating but it looks matte judging by the pictures. the matte on these is usually referred to as semi glossy for obvious reasons. i don't miss the gloss on my VG236 if that tells you anything, and i loved it when i used it, but semigloss is better, i think.
the DP2414 is TN, and probably a bad TN. can't find anything on it, but it's not worth even thinking about.
the 27QHD can't overclock as far as i can see.
 
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Odellus said:
yeah it's overclockable, and yes the asus is glossy. i have both as you can see in my signature. if you did not notice, i2abid offered to sell you his samsung. the samsung would be really good for games, and if it's the 950D, it has the ability to strobe the backlight to eliminate motion blur. again, it is TN and 1080p, but it is a very good TN. i would say think it over for a few days, and perhaps see if you can demo a 1440p monitor in person to help your decision. if you have any more questions i can try to answer them, but that's about it, i think.
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Thanks, yes I contacted i2abid, waiting for his reply.
Yea, I'll definitely have to test a 1440p in person.. Because as of today, i'm not 100% sure wether or not it's the high refresh rate of 120hz OR the high DPI of my laptop's monitor that makes me buzz that much. It's so beautifull.. its 120hz , true, but its also 110 DPI (1366 x 768 max for 15.5" diag = 101 DP) so I wouldnt know which of these two spec is responsible for that smoothness I like so much... but i'M pretty sure its the Refresh rate because my desktop monitor is a 60hz - 90DPI , and I just can't stand the non-smoothness of it over my 120hz laptop's display..
Odellus said:
regarding your list:

the EQD is not IPS, but TN. i can't find anything about the screen coating so it would be safe to assume that it's matte.
the Monoprice will not go higher than 60 Hz, but is either glossy or has a glass sheet over the screen.
the Yamakasi i went over earlier. generally if it doesn't specify glossy, it's matte. you'd have to contact green-sum and ask about it.
the QX2414 is matte and TN.
the Q270 you linked can't overclock (multiple inputs) and is matte. i believe the single input of this can overclock. <-- The description clearly says: -Panel Type: Glossy (Glare) on that one http://goo.gl/S9s0ii but 6 ms is meh
the 2703 is a Q270 with a different stand and glass on top of what's most likely a matte screen, but there were cases a while back of people buying tempered glass models and removing it to find a glossy screen beneath. glass + matte is the worst thing possible. all the drawbacks of glass (insane reflections) and matte (sparkle/not sharp) with none of the perks of either.
the QH270 can't overclock, from what i can see, and the seller doesn't say whether it's matte or glossy. i think almost all of these korean monitors come in both, so you have to ask if they don't say.
the Zalcom almost surely can't overclock despite the description saying it can.
the Crossover you linked is multiinput, so it can't overclock. i believe Crossover has a single input model that can overclock, but i'm not sure.
the DP2710 is the exact same monitor as the QNIX QX2710, so yes it can overclock as long as it's the single input version. owner doesn't specify the screen coating but it looks matte judging by the pictures. the matte on these is usually referred to as semi glossy for obvious reasons. i don't miss the gloss on my VG236 if that tells you anything, and i loved it when i used it, but semigloss is better, i think.
the DP2414 is TN, and probably a bad TN. can't find anything on it, but it's not worth even thinking about.
the 27QHD can't overclock as far as i can see.
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I'll contact Green-sum tomorrow and clarify about the glossy and other stuff. (Will update this thread with the info)
Any idea why some yamakasi are listed 1200$ while other are 500$ (same model same vendor) ?

Also, what is that single/multi input feature about? IIUC only single input can overclock ? does single input means that the monitor has no option to switch input from within the monitor's settings? (aka can only plug one wire type at a time) ?
 
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Still in search of a Glossy display ...
120hz+
23-27" (yea I'll upgrade my GPU soon, hence why can go up to 27")


So far, only the QNIX QX2710 LED Evolution ll seem to be the way to go...
not sure about the DVI-D requirement thought.. my gpu only has DVI-I (which is also dual-link) .. no idea if that is compatible
 
Why would anyone want a glossy display? What benefits does it provide that negates the mirror effect even in very dimly lit surroundings?
 
Calavaro said:
Why would anyone want a glossy display? What benefits does it provide that negates the mirror effect even in very dimly lit surroundings?
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Better contrast, much deeper black, better colors (vivid, sharper), clarity, brightness, and no annoying "sparkle"
Why sacrifice every facet of display quality just in the name of reducing glare? Any sensible person light controls their computing environment. You won't put it in your office with a window behind you and bright overhead fluorescent lights above you, would you?
 
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Vesqwi said:
Better contrast, black levels, colors, clarity, brightness, and no annoying "sparkle"
Why sacrifice every facet of display quality just in the name of reducing glare? Any sensible person light controls their computing environment. You won't put it in your office with a window behind you and bright overhead fluorescent lights above you, would you?
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I agree the image quality of a glossy screen is definitely much superior to a matte, having said that not every one is in a environment that are not effected by reflections so I can understand why most people go for matte.

Their are some really horrible glossy screens out there too, like the edge to edge glass covered screens which are an overlay to a matte coated screen which is just ridicules. Sadly glossy screens are quite rare these days and choices are very limited unless you import some Korean ones. In my opinion if you use your screen in a dim environment than glossy screen will provide the advantages Vesqwi mentioned.
 
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Vesqwi said:
So far, only the QNIX QX2710 LED Evolution ll seem to be the way to go.
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The new version of the Qnix/X-Star PLS uses a low quality panel with low frequency PWM (PWM ruins motion clarity and makes some people suffer from health issues like eyestrain and headaches) and have worse colours than the budget 23-24" 1080p glossy IPS which don't use PWM and have significantly faster pixel response times. The original version of the glossy Qnix/X-Star (2013 version) was also sold with and without low frequency PWM, has high preset gamma (black crush and dark colours) which rises when over clocked, but looks better when calibrated (colorimeter acquired; ICC profiles from owners with accurate colorimeters are available) since it has a larger colour gamut (97% sRGB colour space coverage versus budget 1080p IPS/PLS 87-90% and the new version).

Best to stop making multiple threads about the same topic and and buy a Dell S2415 or HP 23 Envy while you wait for a larger quality glossy monitor to come out.
 
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NCX said:
have worse colours than the budget 23-24" 1080p glossy IPS which don't use PWM and have significantly faster pixel response times.
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What are those 1080p Glossy IPS ?? All I ask for is to find one.. I bet they are not overclockable ?

I went 1440p for the sole reason that I couldnt find any 23-24" Glossy 1080p 120hz .. if those 23-24" you're reffering to are glossy and 120hz (or even overclockable 60Hz) , could you please tell pinpoint me to any of them ? what brand , model , where can I get them ?!
 
I guess you didn't read all of my post above or my replies to the PM's you sent me on WCGT which contain the information you seek.
 
NCX said:
I guess you didn't read all of my post above or my replies to the PM's you sent me on WCGT which contain the information you seek.
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I didnt notice the model name you mentioned in your WCFG reply sorry.
Just read a little bit on them, seems great monitors, but 72Hz is a bit low when used to 120Hz .. Hence why I'll have to go with one of those OCable 1440p Korean monitors..

What do you think of the Overlord Tempest ? havent got many input on that one.. is this korean too ? I can't even find this companie's website..

Also, do you know if the X-Star DP2710LED uses the same low freqency PWM as the Qnix you mentionned earlier ??
 
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The Qnix & X-Star are the same monitors made by the same Korean company which has two brands. The Overlord Tempest is a re-cased (it uses the same casing as the Qnix/X-Star but uses the same panel and parts as the Yamaksi) and re-badged Yamakasi sold by an American company which went out of business this year. The Yamakasi can still be purchased from eBay for 500$ US and is the only easy to find, overclock-able, glossy and PWM lottery-free 1440p IPS/PLS panel. It's possible to over clock many of the 1080p IPS higher than 72hz, but small monitors aren't popular anymore so it's hard to find many people who have done so. The Overlord/Yamakasi use an older IPS panel which suffers from a green/yellow tint and considerably more white glow (when displaying dark content) than the newer 1080p IPS panels which glow less and have more neutral, but slightly less vibrant colours.
 
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The more I search the more I realize how restraining my Glossy requirement is.
But there's no way to give up on that . This said, I wonder if I shouldnt simply get the best matte available (many) and simply spend a bit more time and effort on removing the ag coating ... This is something i'm very whilling for .. I just need to know more about the process and if any matte can be ag coat removed..

This would be an actual "best of both" solution... NCX ?
 
Well I just successfully OCed my Acer H236HL
Gives a sublime Glossy 23" IPS 1080p display now at 76Hz (not 120hz, but still a noticable improvement !)
*Had to disable the DSR feature as requested by the NVidia Display uppon creating a custom resolution.

proof:
60Hz http://i.imgur.com/qvQ60Mi.jpg
76Hz (OCed) http://i.imgur.com/TnCaTSJ.jpg
Doesn't seems to have any Frame skipping here.. not sure why four frame is showing up on 76hz wile 3 only on 60hz ...
What could explain the blue color "issue" on 76Hz ?
[Stock GPU]
-DVI-DVI <-- TDB
-DVI-DP <-- TDB
-DVI-HDMI <-- TDB
-DP-DP <-- TDB
-DP-DVI <-- TDB
-DP-HDMI <-- TDB
-HDMI-HDMI <------ Successful @ 1920x1080 76hz
-HDMI-DP <-- TDB
-HDMI-DVI <-- TDB​

[OCed GPU]
-DVI-DVI <-- TDB
-DVI-DP <-- TDB
-DVI-HDMI <-- TDB
-DP-DP <-- TDB
-DP-DVI <-- TDB
-DP-HDMI <-- TDB
-HDMI-HDMI <-- TDB
-HDMI-DP <-- TDB
-HDMI-DVI <-- TDB
​

HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT (http://bit.ly/1fnXsYP page 4)
========================
[CPU]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;QuadCore Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3.40 GHz (stock)
[GPU]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti Superclocked 2GB GDDR5 (G-SYNC ready)
[PSU]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;320 Watt (HP-Proprietary) &#9658; can't replace, but can add more if needed
[MEM]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;16GB DDR3-1333
[MOBO]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT PC (Intel Sandy Bridge Cougar Point Q67)
[DRIVE]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;Samsung SSD 850 PRO
[MONITOR]&#8194;&#8194;Acer H236HL [23" IPS 60Hz OC@76Hz]
 
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Vesqwi said:
Well I just successfully OCed my Acer H236HL
Gives a sublime Glossy 23" IPS 1080p display now at 76Hz (not 120hz, but still a noticable improvement !)
*Had to disable the DSR feature as requested by the NVidia Display uppon creating a custom resolution.

proof:
http://i.imgur.com/e24LgpF.png
http://i.imgur.com/SBRyyiY.png
http://i.imgur.com/WcuMVVr.png
[Stock GPU]
-DVI-DVI <-- TDB
-DVI-DP <-- TDB
-DVI-HDMI <-- TDB
-DP-DP <-- TDB
-DP-DVI <-- TDB
-DP-HDMI <-- TDB
-HDMI-HDMI <------ Successful @ 1920x1080 76hz
-HDMI-DP <-- TDB
-HDMI-DVI <-- TDB​

[OCed GPU]
-DVI-DVI <-- TDB
-DVI-DP <-- TDB
-DVI-HDMI <-- TDB
-DP-DP <-- TDB
-DP-DVI <-- TDB
-DP-HDMI <-- TDB
-HDMI-HDMI <-- TDB
-HDMI-DP <-- TDB
-HDMI-DVI <-- TDB
​

HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT (http://bit.ly/1fnXsYP page 4)
========================
[CPU]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;QuadCore Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3.40 GHz (stock)
[GPU]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti Superclocked 2GB GDDR5 (G-SYNC ready)
[PSU]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;320 Watt (HP-Proprietary) &#9658; can't replace, but can add more if needed
[MEM]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;16GB DDR3-1333
[MOBO]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT PC (Intel Sandy Bridge Cougar Point Q67)
[DRIVE]&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;&#8194;Samsung SSD 850 PRO
[MONITOR]&#8194;&#8194;Acer H236HL [23" IPS 60Hz OC@76Hz]
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Can you write a guide for how you did it and how to test if its real increased hz? Because i used a program some time ago and it supposedly increased my hz, but it didnt actually seem to change anything. Still felt like 60hz. I have nvidia btw.
 
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Calavaro said:
Why would anyone want a glossy display? What benefits does it provide that negates the mirror effect even in very dimly lit surroundings?
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Its simple. Matte filter = image distortion. Not just on a pixel level, but on a macro level too.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_coating.htm

panel_coatings2.jpeg

T3OJbl.jpg
 
Frameless said:
Can you write a guide for how you did it and how to test if its real increased hz? Because i used a program some time ago and it supposedly increased my hz, but it didnt actually seem to change anything. Still felt like 60hz. I have nvidia btw.
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At first, I tried the full ToastyX tool, but his "cru" tool was giving me "No Signal", then I saw Linus' video showing up how to do that CRU part using the simple default Nvidia control panel.. (to create custom resolutions) .. it worked that way.

So to summarize, I first patched my nvidia display adapter using ToastyX's patcher tool (see link @ http://blog.ipsledmonitors.com/) then I created custom resolution using the official Nvidia Control panel..
Linus' video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sXeSwe1_dU

result:
60Hz http://i.imgur.com/qvQ60Mi.jpg
76Hz (OCed) http://i.imgur.com/TnCaTSJ.jpg
Doesn't seems to have any Frame skipping here.. not sure why four frame is showing up on 76hz wile 3 only on 60hz ...
What could explain the blue color "issue" on 76Hz ?
 
Frameless said:
Its simple. Matte filter = image distortion. Not just on a pixel level, but on a macro level too.
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Frameless, since glossy monitor are getting so hard to find, I was considering buying a matte and remove the ag coating. Do you know if that can be done on mostly any monitor ?
I know its a risky business, but i'm totally whiling to take that risk if that can get me that "best of both world" everyone's craving for..
 
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Vesqwi said:
Frameless, since glossy monitor are getting so hard to find, I was considering buying a matte and remove the ag coating. Do you know if that can be done on mostly any monitor ?
I know its a risky business, but i'm totally whiling to take that risk if that can get me that "best of both world" everyone's craving for..
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bumb... question still relevent.. any kind of "AG Coating remover club" thread around ??
planning on removing the coating from the upcoming PG279Q
 
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