Call for new leadership

Kai

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Folks, I think it's about high time we started figuring out who the official leader of the DC Commandos is. I think leadership is key in our continued operation; it provides us a focal point for issues and gripes, a unified direction in our competition and a means to provide increased morale. Unfortunately, our previous commander in chief hasn't been around as much as we may like. He's an outstanding gentleman, but I think it's time to pass the torch on to someone else.

That being said, I've noticed one individual here that has shown an incredible amount of dedication to the cause, both in time crunching, and in the amount of time he/she deals with the issues present with projects and takes personal time away from family to attempt to fix those issues. He/she is our unofficial commander, but I think it's about time we promote/elect this individual to become the official sponsored leader of the DC Commandos. Due process is important (don't I personally know it now!) but I'd like to put on the table a call for a change in leadership (for the DC commandos separately), and would like to personally put forth Gilthanis as my nomination for this honor and duty.
 
I gladly accept this responsibility and will.......errrrr

I mean, All Hail Gilthanis.
 
You have my support and I already think of Gilthanis as our team leader. :p

Ans since I already think of him as team leader one of my D5's died today, the one on my 6276 4P, Leader I need a new one. :D
 
You have my support and I already think of Gilthanis as our team leader. :p

Ans since I already think of him as team leader one of my D5's died today, the one on my 6276 4P, Leader I need a new one. :D

You'll have better luck asking Obama for one. :D Besides, who gave you permission to watercool anything besides the lawn?

I can put up with Gilthanis being our fearless leader and I offer my assistance as well.
 
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What does the position entail?

What would Gilthanis do for us that he is not already doing?
 
I would like to point out that it doesn't have to be me. I just happen to already do a lot of the stuff the Team Captain/Leader should be doing. Currently Razor_FX_II is the team captain at the vast majority of our projects. So, he is the only one that can sign the team up for challenges hosted by those projects. Sometimes there are project challenges where individuals can sign up on their own such as theskynet POGS and PrimeGrid, but most projects you have to be the team captain.

metallicafan has done well with the yearly X-mas challenge at WCG, but there hasn't been much chatter about any of the other challenges. I honestly don't know if there is interest or if there is any other challenges really worth doing, but they seem to have several throughout the year.

It would also be good for the Team Captain to represent the team at those projects by bringing issues forward that the team as a whole have. Obviously, individuals could still state their peace, but a team captain should come forward and speak up if there is an issue. A good example would have been recently at POGS where we were testing an optimized client and many were thinking we were trying to cheat. A few of us were quick to act to do damage control and bring out what was really going on to the public so that they didn't get the wrong impression.

Any other issues like any type of authority or say in matters is up to the Commandos to get together and assign and possibly [H] staff if something needed their attention. This is something the team can decide and bring up on whether they want the title to hold more weight or not.
 
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What does the position entail?

What would Gilthanis do for us that he is not already doing?

Essentially that. Having an active leadership role that can help with issues and provide some direction I think would be incredibly beneficial. RazorFX is a great person, but just isn't as active in the community at large anymore. I nominated Gilthanis because he already fulfills that role, but I think it's best if he community at large debates the issue.
 
Essentially that. Having an active leadership role that can help with issues and provide some direction I think would be incredibly beneficial. RazorFX is a great person, but just isn't as active in the community at large anymore. I nominated Gilthanis because he already fulfills that role, but I think it's best if he community at large debates the issue.

So how do we go about politely ousting Razer?
 
I would suggest a PM, but he hasn't been on the forums since May 17th. I don't have any other way to contact him. Some projects have the option to initiate founder change, but not all of them do. So, some would require project admins getting involved. As you can imagine, some of those are more active than others. Even then, they may not bother.

If he has it set up at a project to notify him by email when he gets a PM, that may be a way to get his attention...but I have no idea if he has any set up to do that.

Quite honestly though, there is a few other projects that have different Team captains too. So, the real question is.... do we want to switch all of the projects over... or just focus on one... a select few... etc...?
 
I say change as many as possible that follow the typical BOINC protocol. It looks like all you have to do is initiate the request, and if Razor doesn't respond within 60 days, you become the founder/leader.

It would appear that we all agree that the DC Commando's leadership role should change to Gilthanis, so I say that if he's willing to initiate the requests on the individual projects, then I think he should. Long live our leader!
 
I say change as many as possible that follow the typical BOINC protocol. It looks like all you have to do is initiate the request, and if Razor doesn't respond within 60 days, you become the founder/leader.

It would appear that we all agree that the DC Commando's leadership role should change to Gilthanis, so I say that if he's willing to initiate the requests on the individual projects, then I think he should. Long live our leader!

I have initiated the Team Founder transfer at most of the projects. As mentioned in another thread, I did not do so with WCG since metallicafan still visits the forums and has done a fine job thus far. He can notify me via PM if he wants this changed. I have not done any of the non-BOINC projects. I am running electrical wire this weekend...so it may be a bit for the other projects.
 
20 amp circuits??????? Excellent. If I paid more attention I'd know this stuff already... Sorry boss... ;)
 
20 amp circuits??????? Excellent. If I paid more attention I'd know this stuff already... Sorry boss... ;)

Yes 20 amp. I am running two to my office and there is a third that is shared amongst 3 other rooms...so it will not be used except maybe charging a phone.
 
Well...it appears that Razor_FX_II is wanting to retain the Team Foundership. I am receiving the notifications of the decline for transfer for each project one at a time as I type this. Hopefully, he pops in to say hello.

Edit: Razor_FX_II replied via my PM at Rosetta. He said that he has been taking time off the last year and is about to finish up some personal stuff. He says he will be making more appearances in the near future.
 
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Razor_FX_II is the team captain at the vast majority of our projects. So, he is the only one that can sign the team up for challenges hosted by those projects.
Can Boinc project Founder appointed Admins sign there team up for challenges?
 
Can Boinc project Founder appointed Admins sign there team up for challenges?

That I don't know as I'm not an admin on any of the teams. I know that you are an admin on SETI, but they aren't hosting their own challenges or at least not currently.
 
That I don't know as I'm not an admin on any of the teams. I know that you are an admin on SETI, but they aren't hosting their own challenges or at least not currently.
If you know of a challenge somewhere that I can make you Admin at let me know so we can find out.
If Admins can't join there teams in events then Boinc should be contacted and request that this feature be added to client and server side.
 
POGS does it but unfortunately they also do it on the main site and not the BOINC site. So that would have to be a feature they implement and probably would need requested to Eckly. BOINCStats, I can't do the ones where our team name is HardOCP. You have to do those and is just stupid way they have it set up.
 
Would you please pm me your unified Boinc project user email address?
Need for add Admin.
 
You have been added as Admin most everywhere except Collatz which is down atm and Yoyo which doesn't have that option and should be contacted about it.
 
You have been added as Admin most everywhere except Collatz which is down atm and Yoyo which doesn't have that option and should be contacted about it.

Thank you much. I will keep my eyes peeled for any new challenges. :D
 
Just a thought here.... Make a new account. A master account. Then whoever you pick is the only one with that info, or maybe him and steve or something like that. Then if said person wants to stand down, all they have to do is pass on the password, next person takes it and just changes it so now only he and whoever knows.

Just a thought, used to do something like that back in the day on another forum
 
Just a thought here.... Make a new account. A master account. Then whoever you pick is the only one with that info, or maybe him and steve or something like that. Then if said person wants to stand down, all they have to do is pass on the password, next person takes it and just changes it so now only he and whoever knows.

Just a thought, used to do something like that back in the day on another forum

Well, I tried contacting Razor_FX_II about possibly doing something like this. However, he has not been logged into the forums since December 17, 2014 and also has only been DC'ing at Majestic-12 since about the same time. The only reason I even bring this back up is because once we get Einstein's name fixed, I will more than likely not be able to sign us up for any of the BOINCStats challenges (majority of the challenges) at that point. So, requests would have to be made through him at that point. We kind of need someone active to do that.
 
Well, I tried contacting Razor_FX_II about possibly doing something like this. However, he has not been logged into the forums since December 17, 2014 and also has only been DC'ing at Majestic-12 since about the same time. The only reason I even bring this back up is because once we get Einstein's name fixed, I will more than likely not be able to sign us up for any of the BOINCStats challenges (majority of the challenges) at that point. So, requests would have to be made through him at that point. We kind of need someone active to do that.

I seem to recall it mentioned here that Razor has been actively denying the requests to change the team founder. Have you reached out to any of the projects to see if there is anything they can do? I don't remember what project it was, but there was one way back in the day where the founder wouldn't give it up even though they hadn't been active for years and wouldn't respond to any requests from us, but the project eventually manually changed the founder to Razor.
 
alan2308, he is the Team Founder at 48 of the active BOINCStats projects. Some projects don't respond regardless of the topic. Some say too bad. Some are willing to work with you but heavily favor the current team founder. So, have I contacted any, yes. The problem is that very few are willing and it takes a great deal of effort (and time since team founder change procedure is typically required first and gives Team Founders 60 days to respond) to get the slight few to even bother. The whole team name issue that I have been fixing for the last few months could have been fixed by Razor_FX_II relatively quickly years ago. The only project we have next to zero chance at getting fixed is WCG. And unless someone contacts Kyle to give some kind of official support on the topic, I doubt that we will get any further. I say this because none of us have any official claim to the team name but [H] staff. So, technically every team we have is "unofficial" since only FAH has been deemed the official project choice of [H].
 
Well, I'll have to take half of the blame on that, I was founder for at least half of the teams before I ran out of time to deal with it all and handed them all over to Razor since he already had the other half. But the idea that we could get them changed never dawned on us at the time.

And unless the rules have changed, there is supposed be two official projects here not just one. WCG became the official second project when United Devices shut down. And now that I think about it some more, I'm pretty sure someone reached out to WCG about how there are 3 different teams for us there and they weren't too receptive to doing anything about it at the time. That was some time ago, maybe they feel different today.

Edit: OK, I finally actually read through your thread on team names, so I guess its back to the drawing board on WCG.
 
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Yup... unless KingN makes a name edit, we are SOL. Or the team would have to ditch the HardOCP team and just switch to his which is highly unlikely. And the team would lose all the points of all the non-active members that dedicated time to the HardOCP team. Now, something that was asked of me outside the forums was what if we changed all the other projects that KingN doesn't have to HardOCP. Well.. that means we have a lot of "dead" projects with the [H]ard|OCP name that we can't change. However, it is all up to the team.

And from the threads I read, it was decided in a voting thread to only have one official team project, but I wasn't around at the time and may have missed a newer thread. Perhaps others can scrape through the searching and find the details...
 
I guess it's settled then, WCG is not official. Man there was a lot of drama on the forum at that time, I think I was on a self imposed hiatus until things settled down so I don't remember those polls at all.

Its nice though that we can discuss non-F@H projects on the forum now without being trolled now, so we at least have that. :D
 
WCG has always been a second class citizen to FAH. This attitude comes from the validation methodology used by WCG. The FAH members consider running work units twice to verify results a waste of resources. There has been negative feedback regarding the WCG point system also. I remember reading about these items on this forum many years ago.

WCG has been mainly ignored until the last few years. TheMacGuy and myself kept the WCG fight going for several years. It's nice to see others on board with us. Thanks Gilthanis and metallicafan for your leadership!!!

I've been on this team forum since 2007 and this is the first time I've seen those polls. I started with FAH and switched full time to WCG in 2008. I probably would have moved to another team if I had seen those polls. It's been 7 years. Most of those members have disappeared. Maybe we need another poll? Things have changed drastically in the FAH world. The results might be quite different now ...

BTW, I don't quite understand why the WCG team name needs to match all the other projects. If there are members crunching for the wrong WCG team they just need to switch. I always thought HardOCP was a better team name anyway. The special characters look silly to me. But that's just my opinion.
 
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AgrFan, I personally don't care what the name is. However, here are a few reasons for having all BOINC projects on the same name.

1. When new members join or old members switch to WCG, getting the name wrong frustrates them and makes them feel like an idiot. The emotional response after typically dictates whether they see the project positive or negative. Retaining members and getting new members are really tough. Out of all the people I have convinced to sign up, only 4 have used my referral link. Out of the 4, only 2 have ever returned a single work unit. Out of those 2, only one is still active. And this was from giving people the links they need. Now, think how bad it is when they have to figure it all out with conflicting team names?

2. Cross project challenges have to manually go in and make exceptions for us. What I mean by this is that they can't just assign the one name and scrape the stats like they can for everyone else. They must edit their code in order for our points to count. If they are unwilling, this is very discouraging to members and they tend to avoid the challenges following.

3. BOINCStats - Our stats now show up under two teams which is really annoying for anyone looking at our team. Since points tend to drive more people than they are willing to admit, a low scoring team makes us look really bad. By unifying our project names, we present ourselves much better. It also means that a single person/account can't manage WCG and all the other projects for assigning BS challenges. It is just a lot easier to have one name.
 
I seem to recall it mentioned here that Razor has been actively denying the requests to change the team founder.

This is basically his stance on the subject

I have no problem with adding a co-founder to the projects so they can enter teams in challenges and if co-founders can not enter teams into challenges then that is what needs to be work on to have changed.

Which basically translated means, tough titty. Contact the developers to change their server code so that others can do what I should be doing in the first place.

And to be clear, what he means by co-founder is what BOINC projects list as Team Administrators. They basically can make minor edits to the team but can't do much more than that. Also, any development by the BOINC developers won't fix the issue with BOINCStats. Willy has already pretty much said that the system is the way it will be because he doesn't have the time to completely re-code the setup.
 
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Oh...and if you were wondering the likelihood of changes like this getting done...well..


BOINC's funding from the U.S. National Science Foundation has ended, at least for the time being.
This funding supported me, Rom Walton, and Charlie Fenton.
We're now working on other things, although we'll stay involved in BOINC at some level.

The BOINC project will continue, and will be run according to a community-based model rather than centrally.
In essence, the people who contribute to BOINC now make the decisions about it.
This model is summarized here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectGovernance and described in detail here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...27oM8YpvsnR-gg

There will probably be little visible change.
The BOINC software will continue to work.
The translation system, Alpha testing project, BOINC web site,message boards, and email lists will continue to operate.
However, any new development and major bug fixes to BOINC will need to be done by volunteer programmers.
I'm confident that the BOINC community will meet the challenge.

I welcome your feedback.
Please post it to [email protected], a new email list for discussions about the BOINC project as a whole.

-- David

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77650
 
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