Windows 10 Editions Compared

You have always needed Professional/Enterprise or above for RDP. It is the same for Windows XP and 7.
 
Is the education version what I would get at say a school bookstore or when they have a special student rate for Windows? According to that chart, the only difference between educational and enterprise is long term service.
 
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heatlesssun said:
Except 3rd party hardware and software support.
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Lol, pretty much.

"Hey, look at me!!! Use me!! I'm not user friendly and I cant really do shitall without you telling me, but I'll open that command prompt super fast!".

Linux. Cute.
 
Ashbringer said:
You know on Linux you get everything.
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Except that if linux was actually useful to the masses it'd be mainstream by now.

I wish people would give up on linux. Sure, it has its uses, but it is not main stream...let it go.
 
Windows isn't "mainstream", because the collective IQ of the "mainstream" is somewhere between 0 and a nebulous value somewhere below 1.

The majority of the users don't want or need to know how/why a system does something. They're good little luddite consumers.

Linux never was, and never will be this. It'll be a toolset that pretty much always requires at least a smidgeon of ACTUAL brainpower to comprehend and use.
 
I dont get the correlation between brainpower and an OS that requires you to tell it to do EVERYTHING. Being able to remember command prompts does not make you smart.
 
The Windows Update for Business is the one that lets you delay updates a few months, right? If so its nice to see that on the Pro version.
 
Everything in Linux is long and convoluted. It doesnt make it "dumb". It means I would rather click an icon and see a graphical interface rather than type into a prompt for 20 minutes.
 
Chas said:
Windows isn't "mainstream", because the collective IQ of the "mainstream" is somewhere between 0 and a nebulous value somewhere below 1.

The majority of the users don't want or need to know how/why a system does something. They're good little luddite consumers.

Linux never was, and never will be this. It'll be a toolset that pretty much always requires at least a smidgeon of ACTUAL brainpower to comprehend and use.
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Before you derail this thread further with your rhetoric, you're missing the obvious. The game industry and its hardware partners(nvidia and ati to name two) make their games for Windows, which removes a good bit of your enthusiast user base. Then, as you pointed out, most people don't take the time to use Linux based systems, because for a home pc there is little need to do so.

I personally use Linux at work on a daily basis, it is the better system to use for what I do. At home, pure Windows boxes.
 
auntjemima said:
I dont get the correlation between brainpower and an OS that requires you to tell it to do EVERYTHING. Being able to remember command prompts does not make you smart.
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The smart thing to do would be to use the easiest OS that just gets shit done when you want it to for as many people as possible with as little fuss as possible - Windows.

Linux has it's place and it takes more knowledge to get it going. But, that has nothing to do with brainpower. If it takes multiple steps to compile and run an application via command line tools vs. double clicking an icon after downloading it, it's not being smarter.

I do like Linux, but using it doesn't mean you're smarter or better than a Windows user... :rolleyes:
 
i never realised how much i depend on rdp until i installed it on my android phone.

now i don't think i could live without it.
 
Chas said:
Linux never was, and never will be this. It'll be a toolset that pretty much always requires at least a smidgeon of ACTUAL brainpower to comprehend and use.
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Which is exactly it's irrelevant on a desktop. Development workstations or servers, or buried far underneath a nice UX on a device that doesn't cater to programmers is a different story. But even that could someday change.
 
grim4593 said:
You have always needed Professional/Enterprise or above for RDP. It is the same for Windows XP and 7.
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Yep and its easily one of the most moronic decisions MS has ever made. You could improve the windows experience for millions of people who could just have their grand kids or friends login and fix their computers. Or you could leave it as is now with people moving in droves to apple due to bugs and misunderstandings.
 
Chas said:
The majority of the users don't want or need to know how/why a system does something. They're good little luddite consumers.
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That has nothing to do with what a luddite is/was. So what if most people just want to turn on their device and use it without messing with command prompts and repositories, etc? They aren't interested in the inner workings of computer systems the same way some people aren't interested in the finer details of horse breeding. This condescending, insulting attitude by many in the Linux "community" is one of the reasons it will never become real competition to Windows or Mac OS. Calling people idiots certainly doesn't help spark interest in your software.
 
kcthebrewer said:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/...esktop/gbchcmhmhahfdphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp?hl=en

There you go.
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I assume this requires google chrome which is a add on browser which people may or may not have. I can also use team viewer. But the bigger problem is next year that might not be here. RDP could have been a solution everyone knows about if MS had committed to making it part of the support of the OS. Instead every couple years we have to learn a new free RDP solution. Couple years ago I was using logmein with stupid limitations, now I am on teamviewer, in all cases to even get started you need to be able to instruct a probably less than savvy person how to go find and install some piece of software, then enable it and implement any security before you can even start. Typically if this was easy for a person to do they wouldn't be asking for your help.

RDP could have been and should be ubiquitous and it would have solved a lot of MS problems. But in order to get there it needs to be FREE for EVERY windows OS user both the client and the server and that has to remain in place across the years. Eventually most people will become aware of its presence.
 
Reus said:
Calling people idiots certainly doesn't help spark interest in your software.
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Just my opinion of people who bitch about stuff they are unwilling to take the time to learn even the tiniest fraction about.

I've had multiple people tell me Linux was pointless because they couldn't just buy any piece of Windows software off the shelf at Worst Buy and install it on a Linux system...

:rolleyes:

So, yeah. I stand by my judgement.
 
rudy said:
I assume this requires google chrome which is a add on browser which people may or may not have. I can also use team viewer. But the bigger problem is next year that might not be here. RDP could have been a solution everyone knows about if MS had committed to making it part of the support of the OS. Instead every couple years we have to learn a new free RDP solution. Couple years ago I was using logmein with stupid limitations, now I am on teamviewer, in all cases to even get started you need to be able to instruct a probably less than savvy person how to go find and install some piece of software, then enable it and implement any security before you can even start. Typically if this was easy for a person to do they wouldn't be asking for your help.

RDP could have been and should be ubiquitous and it would have solved a lot of MS problems. But in order to get there it needs to be FREE for EVERY windows OS user both the client and the server and that has to remain in place across the years. Eventually most people will become aware of its presence.
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Agreed.
 
rudy said:
[about RDP] You could improve the windows experience for millions of people who could just have their grand kids or friends login and fix their computers.
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I've never used it, but Windows Remote Assistance (around since XP) seems to be intended for exactly this use case. Unfortunately, as best I can tell, the user needing assistance needs to invite the helper, and telling someone who can't solve their own computer problems how to do this over the phone seems to lose much of the benefit.
 
Well, I am literally very happy with the Windows 10 Pro Build 10162 that I am using. I have it on both my desktops and my Surface Pro. :) Good thing is this OS should give a boost to PC sales when the school year start and the Christmas season comes around. :D

I have tried Linux as my primary OS but, I still had to run most of my things through a Windows 7 virtual machine anyways. Plenty of the programs that I use and the one we use a work for our customer database system requires Windows anyways.
 
ManofGod said:
Well, I am literally very happy with the Windows 10 Pro Build 10162 that I am using. I have it on both my desktops and my Surface Pro. :) Good thing is this OS should give a boost to PC sales when the school year start and the Christmas season comes around. :D
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What specifically is compelling or must-have in Windows 10 that you believe is going to boost PC sales for students? Don't waste your time bringing up DX12 since that won't be relevant until 2016.
 
I was actually perfectly OK with Mint as a desktop OS by about two years ago, everything I do with windows I did fine with very minimal grief, except.. gaming. I still have to run a winXP VM for some old software anyway so it wasn't even really a bother for work.

And it let me be able to explain to my boss how to use the sudo command in a terminal on our companies web server the other week and sound like I was smart. :)

It's a lot better than it used to be gamin wise, Steam on Linux is cool, stuff like that. But I always ended up going back to Windows to play something or other, and I probly always will.

And I'm OK with that. I'd really rather Linux stay a bit of a geek club product. It's worrrld better than like, RedHat 5 or something years ago which was too big a pita even for me. Going mainstream and being super successful is not the automatic win everyone seems to assume, or even the goal of a lot of people/things. I actually bought, with real money, 8.1, which was the first OS I've paid money for since NT4, and prior to that it was OS/2 Warp 4. Linux is still a really satisfying and enjoyable desktop OS to me(and it's free). I had to jerk around with 8 quite a bit, and buy an app, to make it look and act like 7 so I could stand to use it. After that it was fine too.

I used to think of Windows as "just works" compared to Linux and that it "got out of the way and let me do things" without having to be so involved with drivers and updates and config files and console stuff.

Then I bought a Chromebook, now I say those things about it in relation to a full blown Windows box. Funny world sometimes.
 
Every time I see someone talk about having to use the command line for everything in Linux, I know they haven't used Linux in a long time (if at all).

For a the average home computer user Linux is perfectly fine. Show them the browser icon and you've taken care of 95% of what they will do with the computer. The other 5% they will end up needing help with anyway, even if they use Windows.
 
Koolthulu said:
Every time I see someone talk about having to use the command line for everything in Linux, I know they haven't used Linux in a long time (if at all).

For a the average home computer user Linux is perfectly fine. Show them the browser icon and you've taken care of 95% of what they will do with the computer. The other 5% they will end up needing help with anyway, even if they use Windows.
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With Linux, I learned it with the command line a while ago with web/mail/dns servers (~1999-2000), so I'm more comfortable using it than the GUI. GUI is fine for most people, but I like the command line and with OSX I find myself in there more than anything.

You don't HAVE to use it, but some like it.
 
DPI said:
What specifically is compelling or must-have in Windows 10 that you believe is going to boost PC sales for students? Don't waste your time bringing up DX12 since that won't be relevant until 2016.
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For a lot of people, the fact that it is not Windows 8. Also, a great many folks are probably ready for a new desktop or laptop. I am speaking of the retail and customer market, not about people on these forums here.
 
Koolthulu said:
Every time I see someone talk about having to use the command line for everything in Linux, I know they haven't used Linux in a long time (if at all).

For a the average home computer user Linux is perfectly fine. Show them the browser icon and you've taken care of 95% of what they will do with the computer. The other 5% they will end up needing help with anyway, even if they use Windows.
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God I remember trying to get dailup modems to work years ago.. lol.. I actually bought an external serial modem since they worked reliably and easily.
It really is so much better now.
 
Wyodiver said:
I put my elderly mom on Linux Mint when her Win XP got the ax. Works like a charm. :)
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Did you make sure to go on and on and on about how you're the good guy and how bad windows is inbetween running command lines? I bet she's proud of you.
 
Jeffrey Bosboom said:
I've never used it, but Windows Remote Assistance (around since XP) seems to be intended for exactly this use case. Unfortunately, as best I can tell, the user needing assistance needs to invite the helper, and telling someone who can't solve their own computer problems how to do this over the phone seems to lose much of the benefit.
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You pretty much define the problem, you have never used it. And one could ask this very simple question why do RDP and remote assistance even exist as separate products? By making 2 separate products MS only made it that much for the lay persons to know what to look for. Wouldn't even surprise me if RA is somehow back ended by RDP. I wont even get into possible router and port forwarding issues which somehow can cripple something with MS but other solutions have no problem going through. Also in order to use RA in an even remotely easy manner you need to run windows 7 or later. Sometimes with some products MS needs to make patches for older operating systems so people can keep them all connected. Despite what MS thinks their client base is not like apples where you can just break something and everyone will run out and buy a whole new machine.
 
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