AMD Radeon R9 Fury X Video Card Review @ [H]

There is a strong hate in this thread for the Fury X. It being outperformed by the 980ti is not enough, so any news of potential performance increases for the Fury X must be delegitimized and ridiculed immediately. I just don't get it...........
 
I'm pretty sure that both the synthetic BMs (ahaha groan) and games are being gamed by vendors. At least testing the actual games will reveal the end-user experience, because at the end of the day that's what we're pegged with. Fabulous.
 
There is a strong hate in this thread for the Fury X. It being outperformed by the 980ti is not enough, so any news of potential performance increases for the Fury X must be delegitimized and ridiculed immediately. I just don't get it...........

Welcome to hardforum...the Fury hate has gone full retard.
 
Welcome to hardforum...the Fury hate has gone full retard.
Welcome to the internet*, fixed that for you.
People looooove to hate AMD. They love it. There must always be a winner and a loser... They can put their minds at ease knowing AMD is a complete clusterfuck; the worse AMD gets, the more they can justify their Nvidia purchases. I know it's true because I feel the opposite owning a 280X right now. :p

People say they don't want a monopoly but in reality that's exactly what they want. They want AMD to fail as much as humanly possible without going bankrupt. At this point, AMD solely exists to make Nvidia look better.
 
Honestly AMD does have a winner on their hands, a very good card and unique enough to drum up interest even if it does barely fall short of the 980ti.

They just priced it too high. If the card ever hits mid 500's I'd buy it in a heart beat over the competition.
 
Its not Fury hate guys, its asking questions that need asking.
There is a lot not to like with Fury and I am annoyed with AMD because of the stupid design decisions and the serious over hyping.
I'm also annoyed with AMD for holding back a performance increase from the 290 cards that the 390 cards got.
Somebody has to be objective.

I have alternated AMD/NVidia with my last 6 gfx cards so you cant accuse me of fanboyism.
I have had some bad experiences at the hands of AMD that eventually forced me to take the NVidia route this time.
But even without those, this time I would not have bought a Fury X simply because its not good enough on too many levels.
I am happy to go into why if you would like it to receive more exposure.

I do not want AMD to fold, I want them to improve so there are more options when I want to upgrade and so they present a decent challenge to NVidia which will push them to develop more.
Its not our fault that AMD became what they have, we have done our best to point out where they have been going wrong.
Being told what needs changing doesnt help when they dont listen though.

What makes this situation intolerable is the AMD fanboy action that never ceases and the above is a mild example.
When you dont like a question being asked, you accuse the person asking of being a fanboy.
I guess you exposed yourselves instead.

The more you do it, the more I will end up fighting it, so pack it in.
And help get rid of the AMD trolls that appear whenever a card is launched because they help start these shit storms and make AMDs image worse.
Its very much in your interests to get them to shut up as well.

ps thank you Kyle.
 
Welcome to the internet*, fixed that for you.
People looooove to hate AMD. They love it. There must always be a winner and a loser... They can put their minds at ease knowing AMD is a complete clusterfuck; the worse AMD gets, the more they can justify their Nvidia purchases. I know it's true because I feel the opposite owning a 280X right now. :p

People say they don't want a monopoly but in reality that's exactly what they want. They want AMD to fail as much as humanly possible without going bankrupt. At this point, AMD solely exists to make Nvidia look better.

That's true of some people, but not everyone. My first graphics card was an ATI card. The first computer I ever built for myself had an AMD CPU in it (2500+ Socket A CPU in an Gigabyte some impossible to remember model number Nforce 2 board). They were both amazing and lasted me years, but that was a long time ago. I don't believe in brand loyalty I think it does nothing but harm, however I want AMD to do well on both fronts. I want AMD to be an amazing competitor, to push both Intel and Nvidia. I would love to see a return to the days when AMD CPUs kicked ass and the GPU war was fairly even. AMD just completely missed the mark this generation though. A bunch of overpriced rebrands and an overpriced top-end card that doesn't at all deliver on the promises made by their marketing team. If the Fury X turns out to be an "overclockers dream" like AMD promised I'll be really happy for them, but right now I'm just disappointed entirely. I have no faith in Zen either, AMD burned that bridge a long time ago.
 
I personally think most of the fury hate is due to the fact it wont cause Nvidia to lower their prices and thus they have to pay the higher price for the cards right now. I actually think AMD scored a huge win with this card by not having to get into a price war. I still think both these cards are not enough of a difference over my 290x to matter anyway, but I only use a 1080p monitor. I dont care who makes the video card over $600 for a single gpu card is nuts. The mid range cards are where the real fight is and the 390x and 970 (maybe 980 as well) are the contenders for the average guys buck.
 
I personally think most of the fury hate is due to the fact it wont cause Nvidia to lower their prices and thus they have to pay the higher price for the cards right now. I actually think AMD scored a huge win with this card by not having to get into a price war. I still think both these cards are not enough of a difference over my 290x to matter anyway, but I only use a 1080p monitor. I dont care who makes the video card over $600 for a single gpu card is nuts. The mid range cards are where the real fight is and the 390x and 970 (maybe 980 as well) are the contenders for the average guys buck.

I think of these scenarios:
1. nVidia could really hurt AMD by lowering the price of the 980/980ti. AMD would have to follow suit. nVidia can withstand lower prices. I don't think AMD can.
2. But why should nVidia lower prices when the 980ti (not sure about the 980) are more desirable than comparably priced AMD cards? They can beat AMD and still rake in the money.

Maybe I'm crazy for hoping that AMD can repeat making nVidia lower its prices
 
NVIDIA controls 75% of the GPU market anyways, and with prices as-is the 980 Ti is almost always sold out on NewEgg/Amazon. I doubt they will cut prices for market share, they don't need it. I would rather have the profits were I in their position.
 
NVIDIA controls 75% of the GPU market anyways, and with prices as-is the 980 Ti is almost always sold out on NewEgg/Amazon. I doubt they will cut prices for market share, they don't need it. I would rather have the profits were I in their position.

Maybe they want to cut prices so that every1 buys a Nvidia card, basically so AMD cannot cope up and slowly kill them off, so then next year Nvidia can sell their new cards @ $2000 USD.
 
My anti fanboy detector went off, I just serviced the request.
Sorry it offended you.

No offense. Sorry if I didn't agree with you and that's causing you concern.

No offense but why should any of us care? If your business puts out uncompetitive products and you aren't economically viable that's not my problem. The employees are still getting paid this whole time and if AMD was to fold they all work in tech so they'd find other jobs.

I'm not saying I want AMD to go under - quite the contrary - but don't bring emotional nonsense into an objective discussion of product quality.

You seem to have drifted off of what was being discussed. This wasn't about the product but the way the subjective analysis was presented.

I'm not being emotional (at all) and if you think it's nonsense then just ignore it. Learn to deal with people disagreeing with [H] sometimes. It doesn't mean I don't respect [H]'s reviews or come here first (or 2nd) to see [H]'s results.

Also, if somehow Fury doesn't seem competitive then maybe you need to compare results in more than a few games and from more reviewers. We're talking a few % overall, and depending on he situation that few % can be in either direction, and Fury does bring a much cooler and quieter solution to the market. Last gen that seemed to be the most important measurement.
 
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No offense. Sorry if I didn't agree with you and that's causing you concern.



You seem to have drifted off of what was being discussed. This wasn't about the product but the way the subjective analysis was presented.

I'm not being emotional (at all) and if you think it's nonsense then just ignore it. Learn to deal with people disagreeing with [H] sometimes. It doesn't mean I don't respect [H]'s reviews or come here first (or 2nd) to see [H]'s results.

Also, if somehow Fury doesn't seem competitive then maybe you need to compare results in more than a few games and from more reviewers. We're talking a few % overall, and depending on he situation that few % can be in either direction, and Fury does bring a much cooler and quieter solution to the market. Last gen that seemed to be the most important measurement.

Agreed. Seems objectivity doesn't make an entrance here. Ok so the 980Ti is the better performer to varying degrees at different resolutions. But saying the Fury is a Failure is neither objective nor accurate. Had the Fury performed at 970/960 territory then yes the description: failure would apply.

So far it is selling and in most case selling out quickly so don't expect that 75% market share (which is solely based on retail sales not actual ownership) to stand this quarter and next (not sure if enough time in 2nd so definitely 3rd and 4th).
 
Agreed. Seems objectivity doesn't make an entrance here. Ok so the 980Ti is the better performer to varying degrees at different resolutions. But saying the Fury is a Failure is neither objective nor accurate. Had the Fury performed at 970/960 territory then yes the description: failure would apply.

So far it is selling and in most case selling out quickly so don't expect that 75% market share (which is solely based on retail sales not actual ownership) to stand this quarter and next (not sure if enough time in 2nd so definitely 3rd and 4th).

Unless someone has personal grudge with nVidia, why would someone go for Fury over 980Ti, where the later yields better performance, with less power consumption at the same price?
 
Unless someone has personal grudge with nVidia, why would someone go for Fury over 980Ti, where the later yields better performance, with less power consumption at the same price?

Well. I can ofcourse only speak for my self, I bought the card because it's fucking COOL....small (195mm) with a efficient water cooler on it. What's there not to like? It performs great running VSR 4K on my 1080p monitor with the games I play. There is nothing disappointing with this card even if it doesn't beat the 980Ti across the board. I think AMD deserves my money and I don't give a shit about their marketing dep. AMD is pushing gaming forward and that in my book is worth rewarding.
 
Unless someone has personal grudge with nVidia, why would someone go for Fury over 980Ti, where the later yields better performance, with less power consumption at the same price?

Well. I can ofcourse only speak for my self, I bought the card because it's fucking COOL....small (195mm) with a efficient water cooler on it. What's there not to like? It performs great running VSR 4K on my 1080p monitor with the games I play. There is nothing disappointing with this card even if it doesn't beat the 980Ti across the board. I think AMD deserves my money and I don't give a shit about their marketing dep. AMD is pushing gaming forward and that in my book is worth rewarding.

Well there you go. Same could be said for any product. Why buy a Taurus over a mustang?
 
I'll share my two cents, If I were to get a Fury X now, I would definitely be pairing it with MG279Q to avail of the high refresh IPS and VRR at the same time.

It's that Crossfire still doesn't play nice with FreeSync (though it probably doesn't need it in most cases), and I am not fond of running water cooler. Yes, it runs cooler, but I am not fond of the risk of leakage (being able to get free replacement isn't a major benefit as I would still be out of computer for a while, and TBH the consumer laws in Taiwan sucks in most cases, so I am not willing to risk it).
 
Do Tauruses and Mustangs cost exactly the same these days?

Well a Mustang can cost up to $70,000 after stealership markups for limited editions.

A Taurus can be $50,000 comes in AWD, electronic damper suspension, 4 doors, lots of cargo space, offers twin turbo 365HP and 350ft-lb.

Not really an apples to apples caparison.
 
Wow. I know the new Tarus is supposed to be a much nicer car than the older ones but damn.

It has lots of steel because it's based on Volvo's largest frame. (That is being phased out this year)

You can pick up a darn nice limited edition with just about every option and 13K on the clock for $23,000 or so.
 
Well. I can ofcourse only speak for my self, I bought the card because it's fucking COOL....small (195mm) with a efficient water cooler on it. What's there not to like? It performs great running VSR 4K on my 1080p monitor with the games I play. There is nothing disappointing with this card even if it doesn't beat the 980Ti across the board. I think AMD deserves my money and I don't give a shit about their marketing dep. AMD is pushing gaming forward and that in my book is worth rewarding.

This I think sums up Amd fans here. It's part pity part cool factor. Rational individuals would buy the more performant Nvidia card but the intangible is how much cool factor overrides performance by the factory all in one cooler.
 
This I think sums up Amd fans here. It's part pity part cool factor. Rational individuals would buy the more performant Nvidia card but the intangible is how much cool factor overrides performance by the factory all in one cooler.

There are a couple of very valid points there (the water cooling and the resolution he games at), and a couple that are far more objective (advancing gaming) although also arguable.

My big issue is that at the same price point, one is clearly faster. If the Fury was even $50 cheaper, then the discussion becomes much more difficult and is based on your gaming setup, monitor types, long term plans, etc. As it is, the 980Ti is demonstrably faster, and costs the same. Now, I may end up buying a Fury myself at some point - my secondary system is slightly long-in-the-tooth from the video perspective (6870), but given that I'm generally only playing UT3/UT2k4 and some lighter games on it, and only occasionally, I'm not sure it's even remotely worth doing - it's primarily a workstation.
 
There are a couple of very valid points there (the water cooling and the resolution he games at), and a couple that are far more objective (advancing gaming) although also arguable.

My big issue is that at the same price point, one is clearly faster. If the Fury was even $50 cheaper, then the discussion becomes much more difficult and is based on your gaming setup, monitor types, long term plans, etc. As it is, the 980Ti is demonstrably faster, and costs the same. Now, I may end up buying a Fury myself at some point - my secondary system is slightly long-in-the-tooth from the video perspective (6870), but given that I'm generally only playing UT3/UT2k4 and some lighter games on it, and only occasionally, I'm not sure it's even remotely worth doing - it's primarily a workstation.

People under estimate the cost of water cooling. If you take the closed loop cooler off of it, they could drop prices. To me the Fury X is the perfect Small form factor card. Will fit in just about any case, will not have heat build up problems because the hot air gets exhaust out of the case from the radiator.

It may not beat the 980ti in performance right now, but it doesn't need to. It's smaller, whisper quiet, performs nearly the same, and looks pretty cool to boot. Full picture is yet to be seen with driver improvements, Windows 10, Direct X 12, voltage overclocking, and memory overclocking etc. Not that these will likely change the picture much, but they do yet remain to been seen.
 
Well that was my point with the car analogy, although wasn't expecting it to be discussed further, lol. Being the same price it seems most are only allowing one metric for purchasing and that is performance. But there are a vast array of metrics available, and some already mentioned, where the Fury is the better choice.

With any purchase, you can not hold another to the same criteria as yourself, hence the sales of the Fury at the confusion of others. The size of the card alone will sale it being the difference in size is greater than difference in performance.

Actually we should add that metric, performance per square area.
 
People under estimate the cost of water cooling. If you take the closed loop cooler off of it, they could drop prices. To me the Fury X is the perfect Small form factor card. Will fit in just about any case, will not have heat build up problems because the hot air gets exhaust out of the case from the radiator.

It may not beat the 980ti in performance right now, but it doesn't need to. It's smaller, whisper quiet, performs nearly the same, and looks pretty cool to boot. Full picture is yet to be seen with driver improvements, Windows 10, Direct X 12, voltage overclocking, and memory overclocking etc. Not that these will likely change the picture much, but they do yet remain to been seen.

The trick is, for most people, performance for the dollar is what matters the most - and that is not something Fury competes at right now, and relying on future software developments isn't something one wants to do with a $650 purchase, especially since the competition may also get the same benefits and is working on their own as well. You make a good point on the SFF bit, but you also have to worry about running the piping and the rest, which isn't exactly going to be easy in some cases, and may conflict with other things that also use a closed loop.

AMD didn't make it easy to pick Fury for a lot of people - and that's what has a lot of folks frustrated. I like competition. I like AMD and ATI. I've owned more AMD processors than Intel, considering all of my history, and almost equal numbers of each's cards (although I've also owned ones that most people here haven't ~heard~ of).

Well that was my point with the car analogy, although wasn't expecting it to be discussed further, lol. Being the same price it seems most are only allowing one metric for purchasing and that is performance. But there are a vast array of metrics available, and some already mentioned, where the Fury is the better choice.

With any purchase, you can not hold another to the same criteria as yourself, hence the sales of the Fury at the confusion of others. The size of the card alone will sale it being the difference in size is greater than difference in performance.

Actually we should add that metric, performance per square area.

Absolutely true when it comes to all the metrics, but you do have to admit that pure performance/$ is one of the biggest for ~most~ people.
 
Well that was my point with the car analogy, although wasn't expecting it to be discussed further, lol. Being the same price it seems most are only allowing one metric for purchasing and that is performance. But there are a vast array of metrics available, and some already mentioned, where the Fury is the better choice.

With any purchase, you can not hold another to the same criteria as yourself, hence the sales of the Fury at the confusion of others. The size of the card alone will sale it being the difference in size is greater than difference in performance.

Actually we should add that metric, performance per square area.

While the card itself is shorter the long tubes and the rad + fan itself also take up space that might not always be easy to find in extremely small cases where a shorter card is required.
 
While the card itself is shorter the long tubes and the rad + fan itself also take up space that might not always be easy to find in extremely small cases where a shorter card is required.

Precisely. The card lends itself more to midtower cases, and the amount of enthusiast grade midtower cases that cannot fit normal, or even longer cards like the Gigabyte triple fan cards, are few.

It's like Fury X was for the enthusiast, the enthusiast who didn't put too much thought into buying a midtower case that could fit a longer card, didn't have a Korean 1440 panel or CRT, or had a HTPC that could fit the longer tubing but didn't need HDMI 2.0 support for a 4k display on a '4k card' - It's really mind boggling the design/marketing strategy there.

Rads and tubing are cool, it's a cool card in that respect. I understand wanting to save space. But why even have an HDMI 1.4 port? If you are not going to support 2.0, just drop it in favor for DVI-D. Heck, add an inch or whatever and have both. Saving space at the expense of features, when quality enthusiast midtower cases have had widespread support for longer cards for ages now is sorta silly. I would understand if this was 2008 and having triple fan cards relegated you to the realm of hulking full towers like the HAF 932 or the Rocketfish beast that came before, but it's not 2008.
 
Where can we get the vram benchmark utility from? Googling oclmembench.exe only returns 3 results none appearing like a download link or appearing to be very reputable.
 
But... where is this card: www.goo.gl/fyaBem

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What the hell was Joe Macri talking about !?!?!?

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People freak out about Nvidia even being slightly misleading but AMD can flat out lie and get away with it. You can not trust anything they say and only reputable review sites will be the place for the truth.
 
People freak out about Nvidia even being slightly misleading but AMD can flat out lie and get away with it. You can not trust anything they say and only reputable review sites will be the place for the truth.

Its funny though. He doesn't mention the time frame at which this is possible. Watch politics and you get the grasp of how to speak and not lie but not really telling the truth either. I always preach, DONT LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY BUT WHAT THEY DIDNT. DX12 with both AMD and Nvidia is a good example of this, each speaking to what they can do in DX12 but alluding to the other not without saying they aren't or speaking to what they lack in DX12.

Here there is a lot of facts to the card components that say there is the possibility of extreme OCing possibility. AMD reference cards tend to have sound components for high OCing potential. Problem for now is there is no voltage control and Memory OCing (which for the moment looks to have some performance increase impact) is not supported. Yet may be the word of the day. But if within the next month or two OCing is not opened up, although I am sure Unwinder (I think I have that right, the guy with Afterburner) will get something done, then for sure he lied his rearend off.

And if he lied, then well he lied. But I don't think this is quite the same, although to no less a degree to the consumer, as the 970 memory issue. I think, and this is just my opinion, Nvidia kept the memory segmentation secret to sell against the 4Gb 290/290X knowing again that a consumer will generally buy the higher number regardless of true performance potential. That memory issue created real operation issues where OCing or the lack thereof general does not.
 
Its funny though. He doesn't mention the time frame at which this is possible. Watch politics and you get the grasp of how to speak and not lie but not really telling the truth either. I always preach, DONT LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY BUT WHAT THEY DIDNT. DX12 with both AMD and Nvidia is a good example of this, each speaking to what they can do in DX12 but alluding to the other not without saying they aren't or speaking to what they lack in DX12.

Here there is a lot of facts to the card components that say there is the possibility of extreme OCing possibility. AMD reference cards tend to have sound components for high OCing potential. Problem for now is there is no voltage control and Memory OCing (which for the moment looks to have some performance increase impact) is not supported. Yet may be the word of the day. But if within the next month or two OCing is not opened up, although I am sure Unwinder (I think I have that right, the guy with Afterburner) will get something done, then for sure he lied his rearend off.

And if he lied, then well he lied. But I don't think this is quite the same, although to no less a degree to the consumer, as the 970 memory issue. I think, and this is just my opinion, Nvidia kept the memory segmentation secret to sell against the 4Gb 290/290X knowing again that a consumer will generally buy the higher number regardless of true performance potential. That memory issue created real operation issues where OCing or the lack thereof general does not.

Bah. Politcal bullshit and half-truths are blatant lying as well. I don't buy into that "well they didn't say when" shit.
 
Bah. Politcal bullshit and half-truths are blatant lying as well. I don't buy into that "well they didn't say when" shit.

Not saying you should, I don't. But like the saying goes BUYER BEWARE. Marketing is a lot like this and happens all the time. Better tasting, new and improved when they are talking about the packaging or even having that asterisk that has all the qualifiers for when the statement is true. Look at Dodge truck commercials where they say they are the top in some segment and at the bottom it is against their own line.

Here he makes a statement that very well may be true, and for arguments sake say he is. But because he knows it can but not at release for whatever reason be it safety for the card to prevent RMAs till they have more consumer feedback on the stock release or driver issues, he leaves out the time frame so he can make the statement and here to make sure he does not impact sales with the immediate truth. Assuming again it can OC to the moon then what we have is misleading and likely intentional or possibly he didn't know at the time it would be locked. Maybe he just left a unit that they were OCing and was seeing high results and he was overzealous in his statements. At any rate here is where we are.

So for now this moment HE LIED. I am not condoning it nor do I ever of lying, hence I never do ( why I tell my wife to never ask questions which may give an answer she doesn't want to hear, I will not lie). But given the time frame since release I say give it a few weeks before crucifying him. And yes I know it should work now but like most releases Voltage is usually never in AMD CCC and usually only Trixx and Afterburner is used. So I guess we wait for Afterburner to tell us what is indeed the case.
 
This I think sums up Amd fans here. It's part pity part cool factor. Rational individuals would buy the more performant Nvidia card but the intangible is how much cool factor overrides performance by the factory all in one cooler.

Lots of people like cool running cards. Look at all the people that skipped the R9 200 series for Nvidia 700 series strictly because the 700 series ran cooler. Personally I could care less, but it seems that for a lot of consumers this is a valid concern.
 
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