The failure that is the Fury X...how can people trust AMD?

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So AMD promised massive leaps and performance gains over nVidia with the latest card. Clearly it failed.

Tom Logan himself said that AMD continued to tell him in press info that it would destroy the 980Ti...Linus received a dead card.....

AMD pushed Mantle and promised major advances....Mantle is dead.

AMD rebrands 2 year old GPUs and tries to sell them as new to customers....clearly they are being deceptive.


I just don't understand how people can continue to support AMD?:confused:
 
A little out of proportion I think. Yes they are struggling but not dead or failed. Give it time.
 
What? No line about shitty drivers?

What's the world coming to? Pigs flying anywhere?
 
0/10 for trolling thread, need to work harder there.
 
Fury X may not be the 980 Ti killer, but it is not a failure. A lot of innovation and goodness from AMD.
 
Sprayingmango said:
So AMD promised massive leaps and performance gains over nVidia with the latest card. Clearly it failed.

Tom Logan himself said that AMD continued to tell him in press info that it would destroy the 980Ti...Linus received a dead card.....

AMD pushed Mantle and promised major advances....Mantle is dead.

AMD rebrands 2 year old GPUs and tries to sell them as new to customers....clearly they are being deceptive.


I just don't understand how people can continue to support AMD?:confused:
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Mantle isn't dead. Vulkan is literally Mantle. AMD got exactly what they wanted - they designed a now industry wide upcoming graphics API.
 
This shit is nothing new.
It's happened on both sides.
The Fury-X is disappointing, but it looks cute.

There's a ton of new stuff on this card, you have to at least give AMD credit for innovation.

I'm usually first in line to buy new GPUs and I have two systems, one for each side so I can compare side by side.

I'm not going to buy Furys though. Sitting this one out.
 
I don't see why people see this a thing to parade around in a good light. It is bad news imho that the fury x did not live up to the hype and that the 980ti is better than it.
Sprayingmango said:
The failure that is the Fury X..... lmao RIP AMD
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We all will not find it funny, even you, if AMD files for bankruptcy. Please consider showing a bit of humility, even when trolling.
 
Can we really trust any company? Hopefully what comes out of Fury X, is a quicker response from nvidia with Pascal!
 
Both companies suck. I hope Samsung buys ati and they split. Maybe later take amd too so intel gets a kick in the butt also
 
since the ti is only 3-8% fps better on average, I'm wondering if amd could make up the difference with better drivers.

but I'm kind of disappointed in them, i thought out the gate they would have to be faster than the ti to get people's attention. most won't take into consideration the aio cooler cost when calculating fury's value.
 
If you think AMD has done shenanigans they haven't. They have done what every company has always done. tried to generate sales. Do i think AMD could turn their business around? Sure, do i think they have the will power at the top? Probably not. But who knows, I could be wrong.
 
Nvidia and AMD have been releasing new cards that leap frog each other for years. This has been keeping both of them honest and trying to outgun the other. The huge problem here is that AMD's new launch pulled up short right out of the gate, and now they have nothing new to release for who knows how long. Meanwhile Nvidia has has the GTX970 and 980s on the market for 9 months and it could be easily argued they will have a series of major new releases before AMD.

When this happened to AMD in the CPU space, they never managed to claw back into the race.
 
magic8192 said:
Fury X may not be the 980 Ti killer, but it is not a failure. A lot of innovation and goodness from AMD.
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Not really. They slapped HBM1 on a recycled 4096sp Hawaii core with a water cooler that's still slower than a 980Ti. It was not a NEW core by any means. They should have released it on 8GB of GDDR5, HDMI 2.0/DVI and waited out till next year's release of HBM2.

HBM with interposer was created by Hynix and used by AMD. There is nothing ground breaking and as reviews have shown, HBM makes NO difference at all. How do you call a GPU core with 1000 more SP than the 980Ti and loses by 3 to 5% Innovative? Add HBM it is not good at all. And like I said about drivers, AMD has had the last 6-9 months to develope them since tape out.

Its not fanboys speaking either. Its all factual.
 
illli said:
but I'm kind of disappointed in them, i thought out the gate they would have to be faster than the ti to get people's attention. most won't take into consideration the aio cooler cost when calculating fury's value.
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What value is a CLC adding if it can't overclock the chip very well, or at all? The fact they kept the voltage locked when it was showtime and the cards were being reviewed does not bode well.

when most people think of water cooling they think of overclocking. And in Fury X's case it seems like more of a crutch just to be able to keep up, and silicon that's already max or close to maxed out from the factory
 
MacLeod said:
The failure that was Fermi. How can people trust Nvidia.
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The failure that was the FX 5800 Ultra. How can people trust Nvidia?

The failure that was the X1950XT. How can people trust ATI?

The failure that was the 7950GX2. How can people trust Nvidia?

TL;DR: Why do people use the word "trust" with relationship to their feelings about companies whose only motivation in this universe is acquiring your money? :rolleyes:
 
Can't blame a struggling company trying to market their product. It's a shame really, I'm sure no one here wants to see them fail, unless of coarse you work for intel/nvidia.

I for one am glad I didn't wait and went with the 980ti, now we know there won't be a price drop :)
 
Sprayingmango said:
I just don't understand how people can continue to support AMD?:confused:
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Their viral marketing worked very hard to hype Fury. I feel bad for anyone who waited for this. Even with a new memory architecture and a water pump it still fell short. :(
 
My reaction earlier this morning upon NDA release.


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Fury needs unlocked voltage + dx12. Please come back in 2 months.

AMD the way it's meant to wait.
 
DPI said:
What value is a CLC adding if it can't overclock the chip very well, or at all? The fact they kept the voltage locked when it was showtime and the cards were being reviewed does not bode well.

when most people think of water cooling they think of overclocking. And in Fury X's case it seems like more of a crutch just to be able to keep up, and silicon that's already max or close to maxed out from the factory
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I don't think it would have needed an aio just to keep up or as a crutch. It probably could be air cooled, so my guess is they used an aio so that it would run quieter. 32dba at full load is pretty quiet.
 
I just buy whatever video card is the best deal at the price point I'm looking at. To do otherwise is just stupid.

P.S. Without the AIO cooler the only thing they'd need to change about the Fury X is to clock it lower. How much lower? I'm sure we'll find out sooner or later.
 
maboblivion said:
Fury needs unlocked voltage + dx12. Please come back in 2 months.

AMD the way it's meant to wait.
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DX12 isnt going to magically make the card better, the games have to be coded to use dx12. I think fable is going to be the first dx12 game and by the time it goes mainstream it wont be till next year, and by that time nvidia will have their hbm2 card out.
 
ocellaris said:
Nvidia and AMD have been releasing new cards that leap frog each other for years. This has been keeping both of them honest and trying to outgun the other. The huge problem here is that AMD's new launch pulled up short right out of the gate, and now they have nothing new to release for who knows how long. Meanwhile Nvidia has has the GTX970 and 980s on the market for 9 months and it could be easily argued they will have a series of major new releases before AMD.

When this happened to AMD in the CPU space, they never managed to claw back into the race.
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^^^^ This

And it's unfortunate for every enthusiast because it will allow Nvidia to continue to rape us.

I'll always use Nvidia cards because I prefer them, for many reasons, it'll just cost more and more and more and more as time passes.
 
I dont see Intel raping us with their prices, and they pretty much can do whatever the hell they want. If Nvidia thinks they can start selling 970-class gpu for 500 bucks because AMD is not able to compete, they are going to put themselves out of business and push everybody over to consoles. I don't see that happening. At least not for a while. (By the time it happens i hope i'll be too old to give a shit about gaming and Nvidia and AMD :D)
 
Nick_Leo said:
DX12 isnt going to magically make the card better, the games have to be coded to use dx12. I think fable is going to be the first dx12 game and by the time it goes mainstream it wont be till next year, and by that time nvidia will have their hbm2 card out.
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Give it 3+ years for most games to be DX12. Unreal Engine 4 has been publicly released for over a year, and there's only been 2 or 3 notable games released with it, and there's still a ton of UE3 games in development, including Gears of War Ultimate Edition, Batman: Arkham Knight, Mortal Kombat X, Xcom 2, etc.

Game studios don't jump ship to the newest tech immediately.
 
SnowBeast said:
Not really. They slapped HBM1 on a recycled 4096sp Hawaii core with a water cooler that's still slower than a 980Ti. It was not a NEW core by any means.
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Did you read the review? The GPU uses a new version of GCN that hasn't been released previously and has improvements over Tonga.

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Performance notwithstanding, Fiji's definitely not a "recycled Hawaii core". It's a new core.
 
GibsonEX said:
I dont see Intel raping us with their prices...)
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They sure as heck used to. AMD K2\K3 for life!!!

It was that stupid mentality that made me buy a bulldozer then immediate sell it buy a 3770k lol. Intel has actually been a lot better about chip pricing lately.
 
sethiano said:
They sure as heck used to. AMD K2\K3 for life!!!

It was that stupid mentality that made me buy a bulldozer then immediate sell it buy a 3770k lol. Intel has actually been a lot better about chip pricing lately.
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At this point Intel is just competing with themselves on CPU. They sell the chips at a reasonable cost to convince people to upgrade. No one would pay $600 for a 10% performance improvement every 2 years.
 
We would have had this exact same conversation in 2008 had AMD priced the Radeon 4870 at the same price as the GTX260 ($450). Instead AMD priced the Radeon 4870 at $300, and yeah it had half as much RAM as the GTX260 and GTX280, but it was a NEW type of RAM that was much faster and helped it compete against the much more expensive GTX260 and at times keep up with the GTX280.

If AMD priced the Fury-X at $500, it would have been a repeat of the 4870...reviews would have been glowing. Instead AMD priced it way too high. It funny that AMD is willing to destroy their GPU market share for $150...
 
Honestly, it looks like Fiji was a GPU built for 14nm that had to get shoehorned into 28nm because thats all they had to work with. I suspect it will truly shine when 14nm becomes the norm, which is convenient for AMD.
 
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