AMD Fury series coming soon.

DPI said:
It sounds like the GTA5 4K bench is going to be particularly ugly for Fiji. Three more days until Kyle & co. will spill all. The people preordering for gouge prices thinking they're getting in before the gouge price goes up even higher -- fools. Wait 'til after the real benches, I have a feeling that gouge price is going to disappear overnight.
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Good for people like me. I don't even need 4 GB.
Bring on the price drops! :D
 
My prediction. The green team force field will continue to crap on it. The Fury X will probably have limited stock at launch, just like most flagship cards. It will sell out everywhere. It will continue to sell extremely well for a few months. Supposed flaws and all.
 
MangoSeed said:
Especially if the AIO means good things for overclocking - 40-50c under load is crazy good. It'll be really interesting to see how Fiji does on air too.
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The card was tested in-house at AMD at stock settings gaming with passive cooling, other than the AIO pump, and didn't reach the temp threshold for multiple hours. That is pretty impressive.

TaintedSquirrel said:
Show me some good news about the Fury X, aside from the temps and noise.
Everything else has been bad... Voltage locked, low performance, low OC headroom, price gouging, low availability, no HDMI 2.0 / DVI.
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Not voltage locked, not low OC headroom, not low availability(after initial launch).
 
Bowman15 said:
My prediction. The green team force field will continue to crap on it. The Fury X will probably have limited stock at launch, just like most flagship cards. It will sell out everywhere. It will continue to sell extremely well for a few months. Supposed flaws and all.
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4GB VRAM is going to be a bad advertisement eventually.. I hope AMD can get hBM2 rolling quickly.
 
LordEC911 said:
The card was tested in-house at AMD at stock settings gaming with passive cooling, other than the AIO pump, and didn't reach the temp threshold for multiple hours. That is pretty impressive.


Not voltage locked, not low OC headroom, not low availability(after initial launch).
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Your post history praising AMD at every turn is embarasing. You remind me of the console kids. People who can afford it buy it regardless of if it is AMD or Nvidia. People who jump on one side are normally poor and can not afford to not have the best bang for the buck.

As someone who buys the best, Nvidia has been better at every turn. Gsync is much better and Nvidia cards in general are much better. If the Fury rocks I will buy it but I look at them when over clocked and it has a tall order to beat my 980ti@1540.
 
So is Fury X going to have custom designs? I refuse to deal with annoying pump noise and vibration (h60 and h110 in trashcan brah)..
 
I am curious what the reviews actually show. From my calculations one 120mm radiator will have fluid to ambient delta T of about:

Low (800rpm): 28C
Medium (1800rpm): 16.5C
High(3000rpm): 12C

Then you have the delta T of the waterblock/thermal paste. I'd guesstimate that to be around 15C-20C at full load. Maybe checking a single 120mm AIO review would be easier. Anywho on relatively silent 1800rpm you'd have 31.5 to 35.5 delta T from ambient. So 53.5 to 58.5C being reported by the GPU. I guess that's not too far off nor crazy. If the waterblock delta T is lower that would bring it into the 40 to 50C range. Or fans higher/better. Ect.

Oh and hopefully people use an intake fan. If they use hot air from within the case they're idiots and that'll maul everything.
 
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I changed my mind.Was only buying 2 Fury X cards.I think maybe now I will buy 4 cards,with some change left over for Nvidia childreds fund.I like helping out.
 
supeg said:
Your post history praising AMD at every turn is embarasing. You remind me of the console kids. People who can afford it buy it regardless of if it is AMD or Nvidia. People who jump on one side are normally poor and can not afford to not have the best bang for the buck.

As someone who buys the best, Nvidia has been better at every turn. Gsync is much better and Nvidia cards in general are much better. If the Fury rocks I will buy it but I look at them when over clocked and it has a tall order to beat my 980ti@1540.
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Nvidia has had a rough 6 months, between their lies about RAMgate and the driver issues since April or so, with Kepler's performance degradation and all the TDRs. Now is not really a good time to play "the best" card.
I think people who own a 970 had it worse so far in 2015 than I did with my 280X and I've had a pretty shit time with it overall. :rolleyes:
 
supeg said:
Your post history praising AMD at every turn is embarasing. You remind me of the console kids. People who can afford it buy it regardless of if it is AMD or Nvidia. People who jump on one side are normally poor and can not afford to not have the best bang for the buck.

As someone who buys the best, Nvidia has been better at every turn. Gsync is much better and Nvidia cards in general are much better. If the Fury rocks I will buy it but I look at them when over clocked and it has a tall order to beat my 980ti@1540.
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Where am I praising AMD?
I haven't owned any console since the original Xbox and play retro consoles when I am not gaming on my PCs. I have purchased both AMD and Nvidia cards. I personally bought 970SLI and 290CF setups.
Nvidia screwed over every single GTX970 owner and while that has probably swayed me from purchasing Nvidia in the future, that hasn't swayed me from being able to objectively compare products or my views on the competitive landscape.

So you talk about people sticking to one side and then point out you only buy Nvidia, cute.
Nvidia has been better from time to time. AMD has also been better from time to time. The GPU market is a dynamic landscape with nothing set in stone. G-Sync is better at some things if you don't mind its failures in other areas. Nvidia cards, in general, are about the same as AMD's.

Edit- I hear decent info from both sides, Nvidia and AMD. I tend to get better info about AMD. I'm sorry for posting solid information before it becomes publicly available.
2nd Edit- If I'm not posting facts, I am posting my very educated and well informed opinion or speculation. If you had actually looked at my posting history, you would have seen that.

Get back under the bridge.
 
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LordEC911 said:
Where am I praising AMD?
I haven't owned any console since the original Xbox and play retro consoles when I am not gaming on my PCs. I have purchased both AMD and Nvidia cards. I personally bought 970SLI and 290CF setups.
Nvidia screwed over every single GTX970 owner and while that has probably swayed me from purchasing Nvidia in the future, that hasn't swayed me from being able to objectively compare products or my views on the competitive landscape.

So you talk about people sticking to one side and then point out you only buy Nvidia, cute.
Nvidia has been better from time to time. AMD has also been better from time to time. The GPU market is a dynamic landscape with nothing set in stone. G-Sync is better at some things if you don't mind its failures in other areas. Nvidia cards, in general, are about the same as AMD's.

Edit- I hear decent info from both sides, Nvidia and AMD. I tend to get better info about AMD. I'm sorry for posting solid information before it becomes publicly available.
2nd Edit- If I'm not posting facts, I am posting my very educated and well informed opinion or speculation. If you had actually looked at my posting history, you would have seen that.

Get back under the bridge.
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Dude quit applying plaster to you motives. You know better of what u're trying to do. No need to camouflage your intentions ;)
 
madgun said:
Dude quit applying plaster to you motives. You know better of what u're trying to do. No need to camouflage your intentions ;)
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Then let us have a debate. What have I posted that is factually inaccurate or wrong?
Let's have a discussion, not random posters coming out of the woodwork taking pot-shots without having anything to contribute to the community.

You want to call me out. Well here I am. Let's go.
 
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seanclayton said:
So is Fury X going to have custom designs? I refuse to deal with annoying pump noise and vibration (h60 and h110 in trashcan brah)..
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I've owned a few aios and only two of them were really loud and needed to be returned (h100 and h40). If anything the tone of a gentle typhoon annoys me more than a good working order asetek pump. I know that these are coolit units, I've never owned one. I'm hoping to soon enough though. ;)
 
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LordEC911 said:
Actually, that isn't true. They don't sign NDA's but the distributor and store do typically have to agree to certain terms. An employee purchasing an unreleased product can open the company up to legal action, not to mention publicly releasing the information...
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I work at a biscuit factory, and one of our team leaders got fired for taking home a packet of new and unreleased biscuits.
 
LordEC911 said:
Then let us have a debate. What have I posted that is factually inaccurate or wrong?
Let's have a discussion, not random posters coming out of the woodwork taking pot-shots without having anything to contribute to the community.

You want to call me out. Well here I am. Let's go.
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I am not even going to go there. But you know yourself better and I don't have to explain anything.
 
shadow85 said:
I work at a biscuit factory, and one of our team leaders got fired for taking home a packet of new and unreleased biscuits.
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Yeah well he's posting about it on a huge public forum using his actual name.
And he's been around a long time.

I think he's in the clear. What he's doing is advertising. Look at all the clicks OcUK is getting.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Yeah well he's posting about it on a huge public forum using his actual name.
And he's been around a long time.

I think he's in the clear. What he's doing is advertising. Look at all the clicks OcUK is getting.
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Yeah, he has done it many times before so I doubt he will see any repercussions.

madgun said:
I am not even going to go there. But you know yourself better and I don't have to explain anything.
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I see. Well thank you for your many contributions to the community.
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Nvidia has the best SLI drivers ever.
Nividia SLI is winning 422 driver stops
AMD 0 driver stops

Man I would not want to buy AMD Fury X card and Crossfire them.




 
^I was having that issue as well with latest Nvidia driver. I just disabled audio and it works.


Really, drivers will always be a challenge for both companies. So many system configs.
 
Dayaks said:
I can't tell if this is satire.

I thought I had disposable income... To buy a Titan X then sell it (for $400 less?) for a card not even reviewed? That's another level.
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I can't speak for someone else, but it's pretty likely that Fury will shake up pricing making the Titan X worth even less in the used market after it's release. If Fury isn't the better choice perf/$ over the 980 ti he can still get a couple of those and give up zero performance compared to the Titan X's.
 
frunction said:
^I was having that issue as well with latest Nvidia driver. I just disabled audio and it works.


Really, drivers will always be a challenge for both companies. So many system configs.
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Yes that a Nvidia problem with latest drivers,but I post drivers from back in 2013.2+ years of Nidia driver problems in SLI.Not acceptable .For me on the same machine,AMD was/s driver free. Nvidia do not believe the BS and Hype.People lie for Nvidia its amazing.
 
madgun said:
Dude quit applying plaster to you motives. You know better of what u're trying to do. No need to camouflage your intentions ;)
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Dude LordEC911 is like the leader of no-bullshit on here. A lot of people need to go back to the Nvidia sub forum. Not because you are not welcome here but because you guys are trolling none stop.
 
harmattan said:
Some bad news from staff over at OCUK... Apparently, Fury X does not overclock well at all at stock voltages (and voltages can't currently be increased):

He's also hinted that 980 ti wins handily when OC'ed. So locked memory clock, and not good at overclocking on the core.
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I have a hard time believing that the Fury X won't overclock well.

Joe Macri - Chief Technology Officer at AMD - Former Director of Graphics Engineering at AMD - We built these for the overclockers, for the gamers. We got a 6 phase, 400A of power, I mean it's amazing. You're going to be able to overclock this thing like no tomorrow with the cooling solution. This is an overclockers dream.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ-qKucpQu8
 
Holy crap, I'm keeping madgun off of ignore for now, this is some good shit.

As for the Fury X and the 6 phases. That's completely fine and very dependent on the quality of the voltage delivery. In fact since they moved to an AIO cooling system like this it doesn't surprise me entirely.

The reason every other discrete card uses a huge amount is split up the cooling duties, since more+smaller=less heat per unit you could better cool on air. But more phases is supposed to translate into a cleaner voltage delivery to the package, we don't know how many you need to deliver optimal, "clean" power but that also largely depends on the transistor itself. Using larger transistors could be a better benefit then using more smaller ones to deliver power.
 
Relayer said:
I can't speak for someone else, but it's pretty likely that Fury will shake up pricing making the Titan X worth even less in the used market after it's release. If Fury isn't the better choice perf/$ over the 980 ti he can still get a couple of those and give up zero performance compared to the Titan X's.
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I would severely adjust your expectations on pricing. Although Fury X has an MSRP of $650, it's not going to be selling at that price, at least not for the first 3-6 months. We'll see it for $800-1000 no doubt.
 
harmattan said:
I would severely adjust your expectations on pricing. Although Fury X has an MSRP of $650, it's not going to be selling at that price, at least not for the first 3-6 months. We'll see it for $800-1000 no doubt.
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Maybe $700-750 if it is great but $800-1000 is a bit much.
 
i already pre-ordered one for $685 shipped, you dont know what your talking about again...
 
LordEC911 said:
6 phase isn't bad, it is normal for a reference design.
It also depends on the quality and type of phases.
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The number of phases doesn't really mean much. Quality and type mean more.

Trimlock said:
Holy crap, I'm keeping madgun off of ignore for now, this is some good shit.

As for the Fury X and the 6 phases. That's completely fine and very dependent on the quality of the voltage delivery. In fact since they moved to an AIO cooling system like this it doesn't surprise me entirely.

The reason every other discrete card uses a huge amount is split up the cooling duties, since more+smaller=less heat per unit you could better cool on air. But more phases is supposed to translate into a cleaner voltage delivery to the package, we don't know how many you need to deliver optimal, "clean" power but that also largely depends on the transistor itself. Using larger transistors could be a better benefit then using more smaller ones to deliver power.
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Err? you might want to read up on power delivery

TaintedSquirrel said:
6 phase? Isnt that kind of low? Maybe the lack of gddr5 makes a difference.
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The number of phases means nothing. It is more of a marketing ploy than anything else.

here is a link to get you guys learning how power phases work.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/ever...-the-motherboard-voltage-regulator-circuit/4/
 
can't overclock Fury's memory :(

some discussion on WCCFTech comments...

"Who do you predict will be the winner Hassan? 980 Ti or Fury X?" -> "At stock it'll be a tossup, perhaps Fury X. Overclocked, 980 Ti. OCed + overvolted, tossup again."

"The board design is top notch and so is the power delivery, the liquid cooling also adds a lot of thermal headroom for overclocking thus making it "an overclocker's dream"
GCN in general overclocks fairly well, the earlier 7000 series cards specifically overclocked like you wouldn't believe.

7950s would go from 800mhz to 1150Mmhz+ a 40% boost. Golden 7970 Ghz chips would go up to 1300Mhz with 1.3v. But AMD has since pushed the clocks nearly as high as they would go without blowing out the power budget.

The potential with Fiji is the same, maybe slightly higher. Fury X will likely do 1150mhz+, but since its starting point is 1050mhz that's not much of a boost percentage wise. I don't imagine these chips will go much higher than 1200mhz, which is a 15% improvement unless you really start cranking up the volts then maybe some chips will hit 1250-1300mhz like the golden 7970s which is about a 19-23% improvement over the stock 1050mhz.

Most decent Maxwell chips will boost up to 1500-1550Mhz when overclocked, I've seen some that will go up to 1600Mhz.
Since most Maxwell cards already boost to 1200Mhz+ at stock, a 1500-1550mhz clock speed is a 25-29% improvement. Which is still better than what Fury X can potentially achieve. No way of knowing until these cards are tested."


"I have no reason to believe that AMD locked voltage control on the hardware level. They never have and I don't think they're going to do it with Fury X.
You can't adjust the voltages of any AMD card using AMD's internal overclocking utility built in the Catalyst suite.

So lack of voltage control is the de facto state on these cards. For any sort of overvolting 3rd party software is needed. You won't be able to adjust the voltage of any AMD card unless you mod the BIOS, which you can do at your own risk, or wait until the overclocking software is updated to recognize the regulators on the PCB.

AMD knows full well that overclockers will in fact attempt to mod and flash the BIOS on their Fury X cards, which is why they added a dual BIOS switch.

With regards to HBM. I've had a personal conversation with one of AMD's engineers and I pushed him for an explanation as to why overclocking was disabled on the memory. I expected it to be more of a warranty issue but to my surprise it wasn't.

What I've been told is that HBM doesn't overclock very well due to the relative immaturity of the technology. The clock speeds can be pushed up but the timings will have to be loosened as well, which results in no performance improvement.

When I asked about potentially trying to overvolt the memory to get higher clock speeds I was told that HBM does not respond very well to higher voltages because it's tuned for efficiency. Simply overvolting the chips would not yield and notable increases in clock speed potential.

I proceeded to ask about potential warranty concerns and I was told that it's no more difficult to replace a dead HBM stack than to replace a dead GDDR5 IC."
 
Fantaz said:
some discussion on WCCFTech comments...
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I proceeded to ask about potential warranty concerns and I was told that it's no more difficult to replace a dead HBM stack than to replace a dead GDDR5 IC."
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That is just wrong.
AIBs and their repair houses have the skills and tools to fix and replace components on PCBs, such as GDDR5 ICs.
Amkor is the only one that can "replace" a HBM stack on the interposer, if that is even possible.
Hynix is the only one that can "fix" a defective HBM stack, if that is even possible.
 
LordEC911 said:
That is just wrong.
AIBs and their repair houses have the skills and tools to fix and replace components on PCBs, such as GDDR5 ICs.
Amkor is the only one that can "replace" a HBM stack on the interposer, if that is even possible.
Hynix is the only one that can "fix" a defective HBM stack, if that is even possible.
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So this means if one of the stacked module is faulty the whole package is a waste. Yikes!

This will make one hell of an expensive exchange.
 
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