Intel's Layoff Letter To Employees

You think these people read the news? They are too busy digging up decade old sat stats to prove white people are smarter.
 
maverikv said:
I'm starting to think a black guy was mean to Ducman once and he took it reeeeeeeally personally.
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Right, because promoting equal opportunity and condemning racial and gender discrimination is "hate based", but white and asian male bashing is "progressive".

Liberal logic. ;)
 
Ducman69 said:
Based on the company's recent actions that hint at its current priorities and culture, since they are doing widespread layoffs now (as if they don't have money) just weeks after pledging $300 million to workplace diversity and another $125 million for tech firms led by women and minorities. You can't change the racial/gender makeup of a company drastically unless you are massively growing the employee base, which they aren't, without making room for said target groups by laying off the "over-represented" employees.
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Yes, let's keep ducman69ing this whole thing. :rolleyes: Once again, you have no idea of the racial and gender composition of those who were laid off and are making a case under the assumption that you do in order to justify throwing a reverse discrimination, reverse social justice hissy fit in a forum about computer hardware.
 
According to Ducman logic, if the people they laid off are all white men, then these white men just deserved the layoff more because companies only care about the bottom line. White men just suck more, its not their fault black people and women don't suck as much.
 
Uvaman said:
When people tell me they are just ready to toss their desktop if they ever do a great docking station (Galaxy 5 user).. that might tell you a bit about the future of X86.. or at least the potential future.
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Anyone who could fulfill their computer needs with a docked phone, is not really much of a computer user.

As for the future of X86, in many ways I prefer my Atom based 8" tablet with Windows 8.1 over my android tablet. There is so much more I can do with it by having a full copy of windows installed.
Intel does have a profit margin problem in the tablet market as it's tough to compete with the arm chips price wise.
 
Is it only white people (males, of course) that are getting the ax? Or do we not know this? If white males are getting chopped and a new round of hiring in the next year shows majority black females, then I'll consider it. Otherwise, it's just a pissing on liberals (which is fun, I'll admit, but in this case I can't see it).
 
When their diversity plan was first presented I thought Okay, plan, for the future, when there are enough people who are neither white nor male with the experience and abilities required to take the positions in question.

Are there people to take these positions?

And when will we get diversity plans for sewage treatment workers, slaughterhouse-personnel, garbage-loaders?
 
Ducman69 said:
Based on the company's recent actions that hint at its current priorities and culture, since they are doing widespread layoffs now (as if they don't have money) just weeks after pledging $300 million to workplace diversity and another $125 million for tech firms led by women and minorities. You can't change the racial/gender makeup of a company drastically unless you are massively growing the employee base, which they aren't, without making room for said target groups by laying off the "over-represented" employees.
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Have you ever worked for Intel? When I used to work for them they were very open about workforce strategies that kept them nimble ... layoffs were part of that strategy ... they could have kept the money offered and still laid off these people (especially since these are the lowest performing employees)

Although it may have changed slightly, when I worked at Intel the yearly Rank and Rate quotas were 5% Improvement required, 80% acceptable, 15% exceeds ... that was combined with 20% slower trend, 60% average, 20% faster ... getting in the 5% required you to complete a corrective action plan as defined by your manager (or you would be fired) ... getting in the 20% slower two years in a row would get you a corrective action plan to complete (or fired)

Intel has up to 25% of their workforce classified as lower performers ... this makes it much easier to reduce headcount without hurting the company as badly ... their layoffs are never racially motivated and are just the brutal indifference of being in the wrong statistical performance group

I worked for them and was laid off by them and I don't hate them or mistrust them ... why do all the people who have never worked for them have such fears ;)
 
nutzo said:
Anyone who could fulfill their computer needs with a docked phone, is not really much of a computer user.
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Most people aren't. At home, they use their computer for Facebook, email, funny pictures and videos of cats and Google. That's all they need. A docked phone would satisfy a lot of those users. Just a dock, keyboard, mouse, monitor. The computer is always on you and is upgraded every 18 months-2 years. Just pop it in and go.

I use my computer for a lot more than that, as do most [H] users. A docked phone is shit. I couldn't do crap on it.

I look at them like personal kiosk computers. Hell, you can even use Microsoft Office on them now. They are great for a lot of people.
 
maverikv said:
White people have it so rough
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Having to work hard, and skimp and save for everything I have, being passed over for jobs or promotions because I wasn't a minority, lack of college scholarships because I wasn't the right color, having to work my way up since I couldn't afford a fancy 4 year degree.

But I guess I was lucky because I was raised in a 2 parent household, and was taught to get an education, work hard and to take care of myself.
 
If you were told that you were passed up for a job or a promotion because you are white then you should be suing somebody. Otherwise it's just more shoveled bullshit and you're just bitter because some black guy was better than you and you can't fathom it so you're making excuses for why you got passed up. Be a man and own your inadiquacy.
 
Pledges are fictitious at worst and at the best are paid over many years and partially at that. Jobs are real, day-to-day expenses. The two are utterly unrelated. I'm not condoning huge layoffs at high-profit companies, by any means but trying to link the two is pure Fox journalism.
 
maverikv said:
If you were told that you were passed up for a job or a promotion because you are white then you should be suing somebody. Otherwise it's just more shoveled bullshit and you're just bitter because some black guy was better than you and you can't fathom it so you're making excuses for why you got passed up. Be a man and own your inadiquacy.
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Says out one side of the mouth while out the other supporting affirmative-action, race based scholarships, hiring and admissions quotas, etc... Riiiiiight. Also, I'd like to buy a vowel... an "E", Pat. ;)
 
Ducman69 said:
Says out one side of the mouth while out the other supporting affirmative-action, race based scholarships, hiring and admissions quotas, etc... Riiiiiight. Also, I'd like to buy a vowel... an "E", Pat. ;)
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That's so you can spell "escape" as in "Escaping from addressing all the other arguments above you can't find a way to resolve within the faults of your worldview by waiting for something easier to reply to in order to appease the psychological need to get in the last word in an argument over a lost cause."
 
If he was TOLD, because how else would you know? Aside from assuming that no black person could be better than you at anything?
 
maverikv said:
If he was TOLD, because how else would you know?
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So all the women and black people suing successfully in discrimination lawsuits should not have won because they weren't told to their face that they were being discriminated against? But Intel goes on blast talking about increasing "diversity" and setting up discriminatory incentive programs that everyone but white and asian males are eligible for, and then has layoffs right after, and you don't think it even warrants an investigation?

Why do I have a feeling that if Intel had said we need more high-performing white and asian men at the company, and set aside a bunch of money for that, and then more tens of millions set aside for white male business owners and then laid off people at the company, you'd feel exactly the same. :rolleyes:
 
It is in exceptionally poor taste and decision making to be having this kind of conversation today of all days. Al Sharpton's got nothing on some of the folks around here.
 
there is a simple solution.

remember the president of the spokane naacp?

10 years as a minority and no one was the wiser.

could be a solution to a problem there.
 
got a Bachelors in Math, wanted to teach but I make more in sales. System in america is so fucked and they complain about not having quality teachers in math ans science and the first excuse I get is teaching about passion, my sister in law told me to just go teach and in time it will be fine but now as much as she loves teaching kids she hates the way the system works and she said she would rather have my job. Why the fuck should I not be able to live a decent life, passion doesn't pay bills. I will get my masters in data science and hopefully have a better job but I bought a house and right when it hits 150-200k in equity I might as well be like every other indian and buy a fuckin liquor store or gas station as another source of income LOL. Seems like only way to ensure stability is having your own gig.
 
kbrickley said:
Have you ever worked for Intel? When I used to work for them they were very open about workforce strategies that kept them nimble ... layoffs were part of that strategy ... they could have kept the money offered and still laid off these people (especially since these are the lowest performing employees)

Although it may have changed slightly, when I worked at Intel the yearly Rank and Rate quotas were 5% Improvement required, 80% acceptable, 15% exceeds ... that was combined with 20% slower trend, 60% average, 20% faster ... getting in the 5% required you to complete a corrective action plan as defined by your manager (or you would be fired) ... getting in the 20% slower two years in a row would get you a corrective action plan to complete (or fired)

Intel has up to 25% of their workforce classified as lower performers ... this makes it much easier to reduce headcount without hurting the company as badly ... their layoffs are never racially motivated and are just the brutal indifference of being in the wrong statistical performance group

I worked for them and was laid off by them and I don't hate them or mistrust them ... why do all the people who have never worked for them have such fears ;)
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As former member of intel.......I totally agree.....layoffs are part of Intels plan.....this is communicated when anyone gets hired.
 
Ducman69 said:
Says out one side of the mouth while out the other supporting affirmative-action, race based scholarships, hiring and admissions quotas, etc... Riiiiiight. Also, I'd like to buy a vowel... an "E", Pat. ;)
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This is almost the complete opposite of many blacks attitudes. They pull the race card. You're doing the same exact thing. You get denied for something where the opponent is black and now it's liberal racism due to affirmative action or some BS? I'm anti-affirmative action and dislike the race card being pulled. Sometimes, either side pulls the race card I guess...

This is going to end up in the Soapbox soon...
 
Master_shake_ said:
there is a simple solution.

remember the president of the spokane naacp?

10 years as a minority and no one was the wiser.

could be a solution to a problem there.
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You joke, but the evidence is that is EXACTLY what happened.

There's no record of her portraying herself as a black woman prior to her unsuccessful discrimination lawsuit to the University, where she claimed she wasn't admitted because she was white.

Its likely that after she pulled a Dustin Hoffman black version of "Tootsie", and saw all these doors open up for her, where she could make a living off black victim culture/affirmative action type policies, to get back at being discriminated against as a white woman.

If this becomes a real thing, then I'm identifying as a lesbian half-black half-Navajo woman ASAP!!! :D
 
You should do it now. There's only sunshine and roses to being a minority. It's easy street!

It's like people that complain about how easy poor people have it. As if its some mystery how to become poor and they couldn't just do it if it were so great.
 
sliverjazz said:
i like how the racist accusers are really the worst racists out there
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I'm racist as fuck. Anything over a 5K - fuck that shit (for now, anyway).

These layoffs aren't about race. Not yet, anyway. If Intel were to hire a ton of minorities in the near future, sure there is an argument. But, pushing a diversity initiative ahead of layoffs? That doesn't make the layoffs part of the same program for diversity....

I just don't care for anyone pulling the race card. Sometimes, it is about race, but many times it's not.
 
How is it fundamentally possible to increase diversity without noticeably increasing the total employee count, unless you fire white and Asian males, and hire the targeted group? That's an unavoidable logic issue, as its just not physically possible.
 
Dillirium said:
This would be good information to know. If a very large percentage are white males I think a case could be made.

Wouldn't you think that reverse discrimination would be a nice court case? This movement is disgusting. Doesn't matter how qualified you are. We have to meet numbers. Plus it's the new cool thing to do.
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Race is a protected class, you can make a discrimination case as a white guy. However, in this particular instance, where it is probably very easy to establish a pattern of behavior of axing white guys in large numbers, it's probably hard to make the case that it is disproportionate to the composition of their work force, or find some other damning evidence like them not keeping on women and non-white employees with similar metrics as to who they let go.
 
Ducman69 said:
How is it fundamentally possible to increase diversity without noticeably increasing the total employee count, unless you fire white and Asian males, and hire the targeted group? That's an unavoidable logic issue, as its just not physically possible.
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I think you are misinterpreting this completely ... in the 14 years I worked for Intel I probably saw at least that many layoffs across the entire corporation ... it was a proven and accepted industry financial tool to manage costs during tight times ...

Intel's Rank and Rate process was brutal with fixed percentages for low performers ... Every group (and I mean EVERY ONE) had to classify 5% of their workers as needs improvement ... no waivers, didn't matter what color you were, and it didn't matter what your overall contribution was ... Every group had to classify 20% of their workers as slower ... If Intel wasn't making geography or product changes (laying off everyone at a site or region) then they would rely on these percentages to trim the dead weight in lean times

I know there are many people on this board that don't like layoffs (I am certainly not fond of them when I am on the receiving end) but they are an accepted and proven industry standard (especially in the Electronics and Computer industries) ... and Intel uses this tool whenever and wherever they deem necessary
 
HeadRusch said:
How many of those positions will be replaced with H1 Visa Holders...answer...many......
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perhaps, but when I worked at Intel the H1B guys they hired had more degrees than I did (all PHDs) and made significantly more money ... so if Intel is able to replace the workers with H1B workers it will likely help them build better products
 
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