Skylake -k confirmed for August/September

RamonGTP said:
DX12 will allow developers to utilize the CPU better and get more out of it. I think the confusion comes from taking existing games. If to take an existing game and do nothing to it except port it over to DX12, it's entirely possible and likely that CPU usage will go down. But that's not really what's going to happen, or if it does it will just be short term. It won't be long before developers leverage the benefits of DX12 by making more complex games, which brings CPU utilization right back up again.
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Exactly what we saw with DX10 -> Performance gains from increased efficiency over-shadowed by increased complexity reducing overall performance (Crysis DX9 v 10).
 
///M3 said:
So... 5930K now or 6700K later? Both upgrades cost the same(CPU,Mobo, RAM) but the extra cores are tempting. My 2600K is still working fine but I do find myself waiting sometimes while working in Photoshop or editing videos.

If the 15% were a fact I would wait for Skylake but some of the other leaks suggest it is more like 5%. Hopefully the Haifa team will not disappoint.
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6700K for me. In fact, I might be in for 2 Skylake PCs (1 gaming, 1 HTPC).
 
Nenu said:
I really hope this is a lot faster than my 2500K.
I've been itching to give the 2500K to my Dad cos he needs something better, but its gotta be worth the cash for me to upgrade.
Broadwell is yawn.
The talk of better motherboard features isnt compelling either, I dont feel I'm missing anything.
Fingers crossed Skylake holds up well.

Intel should be able to push higher frequency on the smaller process.
It looks like they are keeping this in reserve to later annihilate AMD again, increase yields or give themselves some breathing room if other future tech is awkward to get out of the door..
Perhaps the need for higher freq will be alleviated for gaming when DX12 is used due to better multi core support.
Even some DX11 games have been shown to perform better when run on a DX12 system (although that was helping AMDs drivers thread better by the looks of it).
If DX12 really does help AMD compete, we should see some fireworks between them and NVidia :)
/waffle
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I am hoping for a jump over my 2500k as well. my body is ready
 
So when is broadwell-e slated for release? How about skyline-e? Not mentioned?
 
deasnutz said:
So when is broadwell-e slated for release? How about skyline-e? Not mentioned?
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Broadwell-E could be released as soon as Q1 2016. Not sure if Intel will pursue the Skyline business...Nissan couldn't get them into the US domestic market, so I doubt Intel would have any luck.
 
DejaWiz said:
Broadwell-E could be released as soon as Q1 2016. Not sure if Intel will pursue the Skyline business...Nissan couldn't get them into the US domestic market, so I doubt Intel would have any luck.
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Bummer, I thought they would do great in the cloud.
 
deasnutz said:
Bummer, I thought they would do great in the cloud.
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People that yearn for a stateside Skyline typically have their heads in the clouds as it is, since getting one across the border is almost an impossible feat, so the best old adage is "keep dreaming".


Back on the topic of processors, there was this blurb about Broadwell-E being cancelled so Intel could jump straight to Skylake-E, but there has been zero confirmation. I still think we'll see Broadwell-E early next year with the potential of a Skylake-E 12-18 months afterwards.
 
DejaWiz said:
People that yearn for a stateside Skyline typically have their heads in the clouds as it is, since getting one across the border is almost an impossible feat, so the best old adage is "keep dreaming".


Back on the topic of processors, there was this blurb about Broadwell-E being cancelled so Intel could jump straight to Skylake-E, but there has been zero confirmation. I still think we'll see Broadwell-E early next year with the potential of a Skylake-E 12-18 months afterwards.
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I suppose if AMD comes out with a multicore ZEN cpu in 2016, they need a response. So it makes some sense. Bringing out Skylake-E 1,5 years after Skylake K seems.. well very very slow. In fact, I don't understand why they don't just release them before or at the same time as the normal consumer versions?
 
Skyblue said:
I suppose if AMD comes out with a multicore ZEN cpu in 2016, they need a response. So it makes some sense. Bringing out Skylake-E 1,5 years after Skylake K seems.. well very very slow. In fact, I don't understand why they don't just release them before or at the same time as the normal consumer versions?
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Intel doesn't need to be in a hurry with the enthusiast line since it's mostly niche. All the lesser product segments make up the vast majority of sales volume and profit for the consumer side.

Usually those that buy the Enthusiast line products are:
1. Folks that think they need the extra cores for typical use/gaming when, in reality, it will make no discernible real-world difference compared to almost any newer gen i5 or i7 from the "standard performance" line (eg- 4690K or 4790K).
2. Existing enthusiast line owners...and a majority don't necessarily need to upgrade (lots of strong X58 hexacore systems still chugging along fine), they just get bored/complacent with their existing setups and want a replacement from the lateral product segment.

..there are exception. A $1000 8 core that's overclockable can be enticing to someone that has a multitude of uses, such as 1 system being used for gaming, content creation, encoding, etc. Can become a cheaper option than going with a full-blown Xeon setup.
 
Skyblue said:
I suppose if AMD comes out with a multicore ZEN cpu in 2016, they need a response. So it makes some sense. Bringing out Skylake-E 1,5 years after Skylake K seems.. well very very slow. In fact, I don't understand why they don't just release them before or at the same time as the normal consumer versions?
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Have to wait for XEON replacements first. The enthusiasts lines are mostly chopped up pieces from their workstation stuff.
 
Skyblue said:
I suppose if AMD comes out with a multicore ZEN cpu in 2016, they need a response. So it makes some sense. Bringing out Skylake-E 1,5 years after Skylake K seems.. well very very slow. In fact, I don't understand why they don't just release them before or at the same time as the normal consumer versions?
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I do not know if this is necessarily the case. AMD has already stated that Zen would have a 40% improvement in IPC over bulldozer. This should put Zen still 20% behind the Haswell 8 core provided AMD can clock their 8 core processor at the same frequency as Intel. Clocking it significantly higher than Intel to make up for the lower IPC seems very unlikely. AMD will however try hard to beat Intel in price so I expect if the 8 core Zen is about 80% of the performance of the 8 core Broadwell-E I expect AMD to charge around $700 for this CPU not $1000.
 
drescherjm said:
I do not know if this is necessarily the case. AMD has already stated that Zen would have a 40% improvement in IPC over bulldozer. This should put Zen still 20% behind the Haswell 8 core provided AMD can clock their 8 core processor at the same frequency as Intel. Clocking it significantly higher than Intel to make up for the lower IPC seems very unlikely. AMD will however try hard to beat Intel in price so I expect if the 8 core Zen is about 80% of the performance of the 8 core Broadwell-E I expect AMD to charge around $700 for this CPU not $1000.
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Zen still has to compete with the mainstream and standard performance Intel segments. LGA 1151 Skylake has to be AMD's largest target first and foremost. It would be wise to keep the top model Zen price-aligned with the i7-6700K, imo.
 
I expect that the 4 core 8 threaded zen processor should be aligned with the price of the 4 core / 8 threaded Intel processor.
 
RamonGTP said:
This is an excellent strategy by AMD if their goal is not to sell any.
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They will sell their CPUs if the performance is competitive. I mean if they can hit 80% of the performance (single and multithreaded) the 4 core / 8 threaded zen could easily be a $275 CPU competing against a $330 Intel 4 core / 8 threaded CPU.
 
drescherjm said:
They will sell their CPUs if the performance is competitive. I mean if they can hit 80% of the performance (single and multithreaded) the 4 core / 8 threaded zen could easily be a $275 CPU competing against a $330 Intel 4 core / 8 threaded CPU.
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Unlikely. 80% of the cost for 83% of the performance isn't going to work for AMD. They don't have the brand recognition or clout Intel has. They can't compete with intel by offering up identical price/performance
 
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Its not clear how long an AMD motherboard will continue to have new processors.
I dont know where I can find this information.
With Intel its clear which CPUs are coming for which sockets.
 
aphexcoil said:
Does anyone know what the maximum RAM amount will be for Skylake? I'm assuming 64 GB, but 128 GB would be nice.
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with ddr4 in theory a lot more 512GB isnt out of the question its really how much ram does windows 10 pro support
 
Elios said:
with ddr4 in theory a lot more 512GB isnt out of the question its really how much ram does windows 10 pro support
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Not theoretical limits of DDR4 memory, but the physical limitation for the platform encompasing Skylake. All indicators I've found online are pointing towards 64 GB max for the upcoming motherboards.
 
DejaWiz said:
Not theoretical limits of DDR4 memory, but the physical limitation for the platform encompasing Skylake. All indicators I've found online are pointing towards 64 GB max for the upcoming motherboards.
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the only limit is the ddr4 spec and the OS

64GB is the limit based on current module size and 4 slots

my old i7 860 only officially supported 8GB but it ran 16GB fine and there are people that have ran 32GB with it
 
expect module sizes to double or more in the next 1 to 2 years
 
Elios said:
expect module sizes to double or more in the next 1 to 2 years
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Doesn't mean Skylake will be able to make use of them. There may be an artificial limit set between the processor and the chipset so that the "feature" can be sold in the next CPU and chipset release, forcing people to upgrade.
 
Elios said:
expect module sizes to double or more in the next 1 to 2 years
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DejaWiz said:
Doesn't mean Skylake will be able to make use of them. There may be an artificial limit set between the processor and the chipset so that the "feature" can be sold in the next CPU and chipset release, forcing people to upgrade.
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Who cares? Is a 1151 board really going to need more than 32GB of memory (4x8GB)? If you're using something that needs MORE memory than that, you probably already bought a higher end 2011 or dual processor setup. Realistically, you'll probably be fine with 2x8GB on 1151.
 
kirbyrj said:
Who cares? Is a 1151 board really going to need more than 32GB of memory (4x8GB)? If you're using something that needs MORE memory than that, you probably already bought a higher end 2011 or dual processor setup. Realistically, you'll probably be fine with 2x8GB on 1151.
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Lots of people care. Especially in the enterprise segment...the real money maker for just about any computer company.
 
DejaWiz said:
Lots of people care. Especially in the enterprise segment...the real money maker for just about any computer company.
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My point was a true enterprise user isn't going to use 1151. If you need more than 32GB of RAM, then you're already off of 1151 and onto 2011 or dual/quad socket. The random office employee in the "enterprise" realm can likely get by just fine with 8GB on Win 8/10 for the foreseeable future.
 
kirbyrj said:
My point was a true enterprise user isn't going to use 1151. If you need more than 32GB of RAM, then you're already off of 1151 and onto 2011 or dual/quad socket. The random office employee in the "enterprise" realm can likely get by just fine with 8GB on Win 8/10 for the foreseeable future.
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When OEMs transition to 1151 for their product lines, their enterprise customers aren't going to have a choice. So yes, they will be using 1151. And there are plenty of end users I serve from the IT dept where I work that can make use of more than 32 GB RAM while not requiring an overpriced Xeon or enthusiast consumer segment processor.
 
The enthusiast k series needs to drop the iGPU and replace it with 1 more core. Extremes should have 8 cores.
 
DejaWiz said:
Doesn't mean Skylake will be able to make use of them. There may be an artificial limit set between the processor and the chipset so that the "feature" can be sold in the next CPU and chipset release, forcing people to upgrade.
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as long as the controller and the modules stick to the ddr4 jedec spec they will work
just like the 8GB ddr3 ones do on gen 1 i7's
 
Elios said:
as long as the controller and the modules stick to the ddr4 jedec spec they will work
just like the 8GB ddr3 ones do on gen 1 i7's
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I know that. That's why I used the term artificial limit.
 
canna said:
The enthusiast k series needs to drop the iGPU and replace it with 1 more core. Extremes should have 8 cores.
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I expect that would add to the cost quite a bit. Remember that all 4 core lga1050 processors are the same silicon (even E3 xeons) with features being enabled or disabled. Adding extra core(s) would mean a completely different CPU.
 
I like having the iGPU. It's one of the things I dislike about the E series. I use QuickSync a lot.
 
How's the power consumption? My main rig keeps crashing. I'm too lazy to pinpoint what it is but I think it's the motherboard. Time for an overhaul. :D
 
2600k @ 4.8ghz.. Try lowering the clock just by 100-200mhz and I bet you are good to go FullvietFX.'

Or use it as an excuse to the wife to upgrade :D
 
Huh.. Aside from the engineers, just about everyone in my corp has 4GB in their desktop (All 3rd and 4th gen Core). A few document control peeps have 8GB, and two Internal Communications folks have 16GB (lots of raw photo and video editing) but that's it.

Of course all the engineers have Xeon based workstations with Quadro cards and 16GB ECC RAM. No requests yet for more than that though, and certainly not a single 32GB install anywhere. These guys are in Navisworks, PDS, PDMS, AutoCAD, Bentley, etc. etc. all day long.
 
canna said:
The enthusiast k series needs to drop the iGPU and replace it with 1 more core. Extremes should have 8 cores.
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I couldn't care less about iGPU or not but they should really give us VT-d (IOMMU) in the -K CPUs.. I don't buy -K because I care about this feature, but it makes no sense that they disable it in the -K series.
 
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