Regrets buying Galaxy Edge

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FerraraZ

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So let me preface with the fact I switch phones very often and love having the latest and greatest, that's why I purchased my Galaxy S6 Edge unsubsidized.

I'm coming from an iPhone 6+ but love Android as well. When leaving the store I was enthusiastic about the Galaxy S6 Edge but after 3 days of usage I'm not so certain.

Once I disabled all the bloatware (Samsung and ATT) I found the animations to be jittery so I enabled developer mode and removed any animation delays.

Still was not happy so I installed Nova Launcher Prime and that seemed to run fine but there is still noticeable lag at the lock screen and the notification drawer (multitasking menu as well).

My last complain would be the battery life. I work from home and while there's 2 bars of cellular I'm always on WiFi. Right now I'm at 20% with 8h on battery but only 1h50m of SOT. Noticeable memory usage (only 300mb left of 3GB!) I do not feel as though I'm a power user and certainly after a few days, reduced my usage of the phone yet still find issues with the battery.

So I suppose I'm asking if others have experienced this and how are you dealing with it? I'm still within the 30 day return period but the LG G4 has no firm release date for AT&T and it is seemingly the only new flagship handset recently released that would warrant moving from my iPhone 6+.
 
Could you reset the phone and try again? I wondering if that would get the phone working better.
 
How much do you wanna bet that it's Google Play Services destroying your battery?
 
Never been a fan of Touchwiz and since Samsung have redesigned it numerous of times by now I guess I'm not the only one. In your case I'd have a look at Sony Z3/Z3+ and/or Motorola. While they might not offer the bleeding edge in hardware they are very mature products that'll leave you with a much better impression than Samsung products. I would stay away from LG as they've have very dodgy software and sales are very poor.
//Danne, happy Sony Z1 user :)
 
diizzy said:
Never been a fan of Touchwiz and since Samsung have redesigned it numerous of times by now I guess I'm not the only one. In your case I'd have a look at Sony Z3/Z3+ and/or Motorola. While they might not offer the bleeding edge in hardware they are very mature products that'll leave you with a much better impression than Samsung products. I would stay away from LG as they've have very dodgy software and sales are very poor.
//Danne, happy Sony Z1 user :)
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So recently did a factory reset/wipe and noticed Odin Recovery while placing the phone in recovery mode. I didn't know that Odin is now stock on devices? This phone is only a few days old so now I'm wondering if I got a restocked device.

In any case, the phone is now functioning at a higher level. We'll see how this goes for the next few days but I'm hoping there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I doubt that a factory restore would make any difference but if this device was restocked then who knows.
 
FerraraZ said:
So recently did a factory reset/wipe and noticed Odin Recovery while placing the phone in recovery mode. I didn't know that Odin is now stock on devices? This phone is only a few days old so now I'm wondering if I got a restocked device.

In any case, the phone is now functioning at a higher level. We'll see how this goes for the next few days but I'm hoping there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I doubt that a factory restore would make any difference but if this device was restocked then who knows.
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Did you even read what I wrote?

Google Play Services. Try and do something about it. I'm going to bet that it's constantly keeping your phone awake, thereby destroying your battery.
 
ajm786 said:
Did you even read what I wrote?

Google Play Services. Try and do something about it. I'm going to bet that it's constantly keeping your phone awake, thereby destroying your battery.
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What can be done about it?
 
ocellaris said:
What can be done about it?
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First, install the many apps out there that detect wakelocks. Like Wakelock Detector, BetterBatteryStats, etc. If it is Google Play Services, try and cut down on the number of syncing you have going on with Google Apps in general. There's tons of other things like GPS, location services, Play Store, etc. etc. etc.
 
The first thing you should do if you have issues especially after an OTA update is to reflash the full unmodified stock ROM with ODIN then do a factory reset from recovery or from Android. This is equivalent to doing a clean install of Windows, OS X, etc. and gives you a clean slate to start with. You can find the stock ROM and procedures on forum.xda-developers.com for your specific carrier and phone model.

Next, follow this guide:

http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s6/514137-adjustments-tips-tricks-maximize-battery-life-samsung-galaxy-s6-edge.html
 
Or just use whatever utility that Samsung provides officially to end users.
//Danne
 
diizzy said:
Never been a fan of Touchwiz and since Samsung have redesigned it numerous of times by now I guess I'm not the only one. In your case I'd have a look at Sony Z3/Z3+ and/or Motorola. While they might not offer the bleeding edge in hardware they are very mature products that'll leave you with a much better impression than Samsung products. I would stay away from LG as they've have very dodgy software and sales are very poor.
//Danne, happy Sony Z1 user :)
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... I don't really understand your vendetta against LG. I've had the LG G2 and right now I have the LG G3. If anything, they're excellent phones. The software (AT&T bloatware aside, but that's any phone) is actually pretty lightweight and unobtrusive. As for sales... who cares about sales? This phone is for your usage, not the world's general usage. Furthermore, you're suggesting Sony Z3 as an alternative when there is a topic where a person got a Z3C and got shafted out his warranty.

My G3 has pretty good battery life (I can last 3 days with normal usage, though I usually only do 2 to keep the battery from wearing out), the price was reasonable (400 new off contract at BB, compared to the Note 4 at over 800$), and it comes out of the box with LP. To boot, you don't even have to change the rom. The included rom is actually not that bad about eating your battery. It might be a bit annoying for the first day or so because it's doing various updates and crap in the background, but afterwards it's pretty smooth. Not to mention, it's easy to root. The phone also has an SD slot and removable battery. Something that Samsung has forsaken. And it's 1440p (though the processor is slightly underpowered for 1440p).

I don't know what the general public thinks, but to me this is a good bargain in a phone. It's really grown on me.
 
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Sales is a very good figure at least if the product has been available for a while.

LG have really poor and buggy software, please feel free to browse any Android forum such as XDA, Android Police or such. G3 have numerous reported issues at least here in Europe and the previous models haven't been any better really. To cope with that they tried to dump pricing which didn't help much... ;-)

If you read the thread it's EoL.
//Danne
 
Err... I've read far more complaints about Samsung and Apple mostly due to their popularity. So I don't know how your point could apply.
 
diizzy said:
Sales is a very good figure at least if the product has been available for a while.

LG have really poor and buggy software, please feel free to browse any Android forum such as XDA, Android Police or such. G3 have numerous reported issues at least here in Europe and the previous models haven't been any better really. To cope with that they tried to dump pricing which didn't help much... ;-)

If you read the thread it's EoL.
//Danne
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How is sales a very good figure of anything? Sales is simply sales. It's akin to a popularity contest. Which is why the Galaxy S6 tried to copy Apple to become more popular and dumped features which were (for me) important in exchange for looks. I'm talking about that removable battery and MicroSD slot. Apparently "most people" cared for looks (and the marketing to back them) more than these functions. But you're not choosing your phone based on "most people". You're choosing it based on you. Or at least you should be. That's like saying you should buy consoles based on sales, not which exclusives are on them. Which is really silly. The only thing a lower price on the LG phone means is that you get a lower price on a great phone, if it has the features that are important to you.

Furthermore, no, I don't really care to browse forums that talk about their issues with various things because I'm using one myself (hell I've used 2). You don't have to use the LG software if you don't want to. It isn't really shoved in your face. You're totally free to put whatever you want on the thing (not to mention it's painless as heck to root it and go even further). The default interface is plenty fine, and I have not once come across any real issues with the thing. Perhaps Kit Kat was different (I doubt it, considering my G2), but at the moment the LP stock rom is pretty good. Great battery life and overall feels good. Aside from seeing and disabling it in Titanium Backup, I have not even really seen the LG software because it has never tried to do anything. As CHANG3D has noted, there are plenty of complaints about everything, including Samsung and Apple.

And yes, I read the thread about how Sony decided to EoL a relatively recently released phone and totally screwed him out of any support. That sounds like a great company to buy phones from. Where do their much-lauded sales figures sit, then?
 
FerraraZ said:
...I found the animations to be jittery so I enabled developer mode and removed any animation delays...
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Nice! I didn't know you could do this. I love how apps pop up immediately without any animations. Sorry about your experience. Since its an att phone there's probably no chance of installing custom Roms, which would fix any issues you have. I bought a note 4 on att and when I realized I couldn't install Roms I sold the phone jumped ship to t-mobile.
 
ShoeyPeachew said:
Nice! I didn't know you could do this. I love how apps pop up immediately without any animations.
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I do this to all my Android devices. I prefer to put the speed at .5x though so there's at least a small/fast animation to show you that something happened. Otherwise I sometimes find myself staring at the screen waiting for something to happen only to realize that it already did (hence the purpose of animations), lol.
 
The general consensus is LG has a better skin than TouchWiz. They don't cram a million useless features and it's well designed. I have a G2, the stock rom has none of the many lags and relax you find in even latest TW.
 
In that regard yes, LG is better than Samsung but I'd go for Motorola or Sony over LG by far. If you're on a budget Xiaomi, OnePlus or Huawei might be good options.
//Danne
 
ajm786 said:
How much do you wanna bet that it's Google Play Services destroying your battery?
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This is most likely it. I have a developer note 4 so I can mess with it. Stock 5.0.1 on it has crap battery life because google play services is checking for updates all the time. This is happening on lots of phones with lollipop, if you have rooted phone you can install a modified play services that disables the the update checking, this improved my battery life a ton. Before it was staying awake for hours with maybe 45 min of screen time, after it was reduced greatly.

Lollipop has really been a crap shoot on all devices that have gotten it, there really haven't been many good reviews of lollipop except for the stock nexus devices.
 
Lollipop has worked quite well on the Z series, a few hiccups but nothing major and they're pushing updates as we speak. If I'm not mistaken the Nexus 5 was plagued with issues, I think most of them are fixed now.
//Danne
 
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Actually I'd recomend an Lg g2 anyday over the oneplus one considering the opo right now has major touchscreen issues and horrific customer service. My wifes Lg g2 is using cloudy g2 rom (kitkat, not lollipop) and it's brutal fast, responsive and works much nicer than my One Plus One. Kitkat 4.4.4 is sadly way better than lolipop 5.0 at the moment. 5.1 should fix most of the battery issues your all having when it finally comes out.
 
Is 5.1 available for the Edge yet or is the release carrier dependent? Does anyone use the Night Clock feature? I feel goofy for admitting it, but the Night Clock stuff looks really cool. :)
 
munkle said:
This is most likely it. I have a developer note 4 so I can mess with it. Stock 5.0.1 on it has crap battery life because google play services is checking for updates all the time. This is happening on lots of phones with lollipop, if you have rooted phone you can install a modified play services that disables the the update checking, this improved my battery life a ton. Before it was staying awake for hours with maybe 45 min of screen time, after it was reduced greatly.

Lollipop has really been a crap shoot on all devices that have gotten it, there really haven't been many good reviews of lollipop except for the stock nexus devices.
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I'm rooted, how can I disable the auto update checks??
 
Do you even need root? You can disable updates and notifications from within Google Play app.
 
munkle said:
This is most likely it. I have a developer note 4 so I can mess with it. Stock 5.0.1 on it has crap battery life because google play services is checking for updates all the time. This is happening on lots of phones with lollipop, if you have rooted phone you can install a modified play services that disables the the update checking, this improved my battery life a ton. Before it was staying awake for hours with maybe 45 min of screen time, after it was reduced greatly.

Lollipop has really been a crap shoot on all devices that have gotten it, there really haven't been many good reviews of lollipop except for the stock nexus devices.
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Which means the problem isn't Google...so much as Samsung breaking things with their f#cked up overlay code bloat. But yes. blame Google for Samsung's stupidity.
 
It's not like the Nexus series has been bug-free on the other hand.
//Danne
 
Coming from a phablet with a huge battery I am not surprised you are not happy with the battery life. Sure Samsung did a great job with battery efficiency but at the end of the day its still just a really small battery. If you buy a car that gets 100 miles per gallon but it only has a 1 gallon tank you just arent going to be happy. And since the phone is sealed you are pretty much stuck with it. And on top of that after buying such a pretty device you wouldn't want to throw one of those stupid battery cases on it.
 
Skripka said:
Which means the problem isn't Google...so much as Samsung breaking things with their f#cked up overlay code bloat. But yes. blame Google for Samsung's stupidity.
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You for real?... Who manages google play services? Google and solely google. How's it samsung fault that play services keeps checking for updates?

Has nothing at all to do with samsung messing with the code. And you take the last sentence then assume that means samsung messed up play services? That last sentence is merely and obeservation that the only decent reviews of lollipop have been on nexus devices, that doesn't mean at all that it is problem free...

Guess what? When pretty much all devices besides googles have issues with play services draining the battery then guess who goofed? That's right... Google, the one who is responsible for play services.
 
munkle said:
You for real?... Who manages google play services? Google and solely google. How's it samsung fault that play services keeps checking for updates?

Has nothing at all to do with samsung messing with the code. And you take the last sentence then assume that means samsung messed up play services? That last sentence is merely and obeservation that the only decent reviews of lollipop have been on nexus devices, that doesn't mean at all that it is problem free...

Guess what? When pretty much all devices besides googles have issues with play services draining the battery then guess who goofed? That's right... Google, the one who is responsible for play services.
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The last part was kinda epic. :D

Completely agree. Ever since Google started with their entire Play Services schtick, it's been steadily going downhill. They just can't seem to figure out how to make it stop sucking battery via the three headed hydra permissions:

GPS/location
Wake up
Keep awake

All these are turned on by default (as they should be, because some other Google Apps require them). But you want me to be completely honest? I disable ALL those permissions, and not only does my phone (Galaxy Note 4) flat line sleep like a baby, but all my Google Apps still WORK.

Amazing huh? :eek:
 
In the new M preview, there's a new Doze feature for deep sleep. Guess which app you can't make it work with, that's right, the only one that really needs to and the worst offender - Play Services!!! Total fail by Google.
 
munkle said:
You for real?... Who manages google play services? Google and solely google. How's it samsung fault that play services keeps checking for updates?

Has nothing at all to do with samsung messing with the code. And you take the last sentence then assume that means samsung messed up play services? That last sentence is merely and obeservation that the only decent reviews of lollipop have been on nexus devices, that doesn't mean at all that it is problem free...

Guess what? When pretty much all devices besides googles have issues with play services draining the battery then guess who goofed? That's right... Google, the one who is responsible for play services.
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I know it is a difficult concept so here let me explain it to you.

If vanilla android doesn't do it...then the problem is not GPS, it is some of the BS code OEMs load. Turds at Samsung tend to rewrite nearly everything. And they rewrite it in a manner that one thing either doesn't change or breaks everything. GPS hasn't been a wakelock fiend for half a dozen builds of GPS now. The only known GPS bug recently was the FC bug in AOSP which was a simple commit from March that was lacking.

My Nexus with vanilla Android deep sleeps 95% of the time screen off. Your Samsung not deep sleeping is ergo, probably something stupid Samsung did. I know this fucking logic it hurts. ;)

WAH! GOOGLE WON'T FIX SOMEONE ELSE'S SCREWUP!

MrCrispy said:
In the new M preview, there's a new Doze feature for deep sleep. Guess which app you can't make it work with, that's right, the only one that really needs to and the worst offender - Play Services!!! Total fail by Google.
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I don't get the need for Doze. Then again like I said, my phone deep sleeps 95% of the time already.
 
I'm definitely interested in hearing more about the Google Play Services battery issues as I've experienced the same on my phone (occasionally) but there doesn't seem to be a good workaround. Less about me, my dad's phone has always been a complete trainwreck with battery and every time I check the battery usage there's nothing obvious going on.
 
jwcalla said:
I'm definitely interested in hearing more about the Google Play Services battery issues as I've experienced the same on my phone (occasionally) but there doesn't seem to be a good workaround. Less about me, my dad's phone has always been a complete trainwreck with battery and every time I check the battery usage there's nothing obvious going on.
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For a while in the late 6.x Play Services the location services were wakelock whores...but that was back months ago.

The only Play Services bugs I know of presently are the FC bug stemming from the location setting (Device-only/High-accuracy), but that won't keep your phone on-it will just annoy the snot out of you...and as I said earlier that was a simple missing commit in AOSP that is now addressed.
 
Skripka said:
I know it is a difficult concept so here let me explain it to you.

If vanilla android doesn't do it...then the problem is not GPS, it is some of the BS code OEMs load. Turds at Samsung tend to rewrite nearly everything. And they rewrite it in a manner that one thing either doesn't change or breaks everything. GPS hasn't been a wakelock fiend for half a dozen builds of GPS now. The only known GPS bug recently was the FC bug in AOSP which was a simple commit from March that was lacking.

My Nexus with vanilla Android deep sleeps 95% of the time screen off. Your Samsung not deep sleeping is ergo, probably something stupid Samsung did. I know this fucking logic it hurts. ;)

WAH! GOOGLE WON'T FIX SOMEONE ELSE'S SCREWUP!
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You have no idea what you are talking about. No point trying to explain it to you. Your logic is flawed, you think samsung messed with some code, where its more like google didn't code properly... For all we know google hard coded some device id incorrectly (or strictly for nexus devices, both which would be dumb to do but bugs are often dumb things) and when the update check fails it keeps trying. Not hard to understand how this is a google problem as it occurs with pretty much every phone but theirs and they are the ones responsible for the code. But what ever you can think its a "samsung" issue when it actually exists on pretty much all lollipop phones.

Even if some 3rd party code prevents the play services from checking correctly, its still play services holding the wake lock, google should have some form of error handling that prevents play services from keeping the phone awake for hours on end. Guess what, that still is a google problem because its their code requesting the wakelocks. SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ISN'T IT? !!! ZOMG!!!

If I write a piece of code that needs to connect to the internet and I don't have an internet connection (samsung purposefully broke my internet) should I keep the phone on wake for hours on end to try to connect? or should I periodically try to connect? Guess which is the correct answer? Guess whose fault it would be for keeping the phone awake for hours? It would be my fault as I shouldn't be trying to connect to the internet over and over if there is no internet...
 
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Actually munkle, you are very close to the truth. Google mandates that their services go untouched unless you want to lose access to the app store. What they do allow is limited information sharing between the apps, only as long as their apps are the priority.

Most OEMs were having a hard time with 5.0 and I'm genuinely shocked most released their updates. The only thing I can think of was a mandate made by Google. I have never seen this big of push by all the OEMs to release a major Android update before except for Froyo.
 
You can root the S6 without tripping knox. Install titanium backup and disable all the stuff you dont want to use. There are also guides to which ones you can and cant freeze. XDA is the place to go :)




Rooted Note 4
 
My Galaxy s6 is at 1d12h with 32% battery left. SOT about 3h. Google play services have used 14% and screen 11%
I'm thinking Google play could use less, but all in all i'm happy with the batterylife of the device.
As to the lag in touchwiz op is takling about, I have never seen any at all. Scrolling in the play store and browsers though! it's terrible comming from ios.
 
kn0s said:
My Galaxy s6 is at 1d12h with 32% battery left. SOT about 3h. Google play services have used 14% and screen 11%
I'm thinking Google play could use less, but all in all i'm happy with the batterylife of the device.
As to the lag in touchwiz op is takling about, I have never seen any at all. Scrolling in the play store and browsers though! it's terrible comming from ios.
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I was really happy with the interface speed on the s6. It was by far the smoothest experience with touchwiz so far. It still couldn't hold a candle to iOS though. The closest I have seen to a ui as fluid as iOS is sense.
 
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