My experiences with Windows 10

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have been trying the latest version (10074) and did a clean install on one of my 120GB SSD. I did not like it too much. Was way too different from my beloved Win 7 Pro. I have not used 8 or 8.1.

Then I cloned my Win 7 Pro install to another 120GB SSD, and did an in-place upgrade install on the clone drive. I did not expect it work given the number of programs I have running. It took about 2 hours with multiple restarts, but it finally came back up, and I was very impressed.

I only had a few programs that did not work. Perfect Disk Defragger was the main one. Had 2 updates that refused to go though. One for an Asus motherboard driver and one for the latest Nvidia WHQL driver (running a GTX970). I used it all weekend long this past weekend, including multiple visits to various websites, and had no OS crashes. OTOH, Firefox crashed multiple times.

I was hesitant beforehand, thinking I might stay with Win 7. Now, I'm looking forward to Windows 10.
 
B00nie said:
I have been using only Win10 for almost a year already.
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I think you mean 6 months :), unless you work at MS and had access before the TP came out.

IMO there has been little to no progress in Win 10, 99% of effort is spent on the Start menu which is still wonky and unreliable and its basically the same OS as 8.1 with a few cosmetic changes.
 
MrCrispy said:
I think you mean 6 months :), unless you work at MS and had access before the TP came out.

IMO there has been little to no progress in Win 10, 99% of effort is spent on the Start menu which is still wonky and unreliable and its basically the same OS as 8.1 with a few cosmetic changes.
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Well yeah it was released Oct 1st which is about when I started using it.
 
I am of a different opinion. I think it sucks ass and I also think it will bomb just like Win 8. For those who don't mind being slaves to MS, I'm sure it has it's appeal. As for me, I'll look elsewhere.
 
Deadjasper said:
I am of a different opinion. I think it sucks ass and I also think it will bomb just like Win 8. For those who don't mind being slaves to MS, I'm sure it has it's appeal. As for me, I'll look elsewhere.
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I'm also using windows only for games, everything else is osx/linux
 
Deadjasper said:
I am of a different opinion. I think it sucks ass and I also think it will bomb just like Win 8. For those who don't mind being slaves to MS, I'm sure it has it's appeal. As for me, I'll look elsewhere.
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Old people are funny lol :p
 
I think it all just depends on how quick an accessible the final version of the start menu is.
I tried the public preview (the one from a few weeks ago) and found it to be rough and slow. In fact, I'd say the "All Programs" function on Windows 8 was quicker and easier to use. Everything else was nice, though. As long as they can get that under control, I'll be happy.
 
I'll be using Win10 happily as long as it's free. When the preview ends... I'll probably get a copy for my gaming machines just for Dx12
 
Deadjasper said:
I am of a different opinion. I think it sucks ass and I also think it will bomb just like Win 8. For those who don't mind being slaves to MS, I'm sure it has it's appeal. As for me, I'll look elsewhere.
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Yeah, anyone that prefers using Windows over Linux or OSX is a Microsoft slave...
 
Tsumi said:
Yeah, anyone that prefers using Windows over Linux or OSX is a Microsoft slave...
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Or they want access to the best supported desktop platform there is. Windows' 3rd party support is by far its biggest strength and what differentiates it from all other desktop OSes.
 
MrCrispy said:
IMO there has been little to no progress in Win 10, 99% of effort is spent on the Start menu which is still wonky and unreliable and its basically the same OS as 8.1 with a few cosmetic changes.
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Yeah, seems like a lot of effort to basically reinvent a wheel that did not need reinventing in the first place. Heck, they could have saved a ton of time and money and just bought one of the companies that developed the superior start menu replacements for Windows 8 that can seamlessly switch between the classic start menu and the start screen.
 
just curious... why are you using a disk defragger program on your ssd?

or are you using it for a hdd?
 
I've been using windows 10 since it came out, did an inplace upgrade. Biggest issue I had was one update stopped my monitor from turning off, the newest update seems to have fixed that.

Though I don't like the direction the start menu has taken. There was one build that I really really liked the start menu, the current build's menu sucks. It can't even search correctly and its just not good.
 
I haven't found one compelling reason to use or expect to use Windows 10 when it's finalized and available even in spite of it being free per Microsoft's constantly clarified position on the matter. Not one thing stands out about Windows 10 for me, been testing the TP builds as well as leaks (just got done testing out 10125 earlier, ugh) and there's just absolutely zip about it that interests me.

I remember when the very first early beta of Windows 7 was leaked out and I installed it - within 5 mins of using it I realized "Ok, this is how it should be done, should have been done before Vista was committed, this is something I can work with."

And that was almost a year before it actually went RTM then GA.

I keep checking out Windows 10 builds hoping to find that kind of experience, of finding something that gives me one single reason to give a damn about this monstrosity of an operating system (even in spite of the new compression system it offers which can dramatically reduce the footprint overall).

So far, I haven't found that reason and at this point I seriously doubt I ever will.

Windows 7, for many years to come it seems.
 
Deadjasper said:
I know people who would agree with you...... But I'm not one of them. lol
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You would think that [H] folk would be a bit more with it.

I mean, MS is not God, but I am sure that they do have at least of couple of smart guys.

The stability, performance, scalability, versatility, expandability, security, supportability... on and on and on are things that new generations of any OS provides.

What do we get? Oh, the FUCKING start menu is better in Windows 7!

Grow up!
 
Tiberian said:
I haven't found one compelling reason to use or expect to use Windows 10 when it's finalized and available even in spite of it being free per Microsoft's constantly clarified position on the matter. Not one thing stands out about Windows 10 for me, been testing the TP builds as well as leaks (just got done testing out 10125 earlier, ugh) and there's just absolutely zip about it that interests me.

I remember when the very first early beta of Windows 7 was leaked out and I installed it - within 5 mins of using it I realized "Ok, this is how it should be done, should have been done before Vista was committed, this is something I can work with."

And that was almost a year before it actually went RTM then GA.

I keep checking out Windows 10 builds hoping to find that kind of experience, of finding something that gives me one single reason to give a damn about this monstrosity of an operating system (even in spite of the new compression system it offers which can dramatically reduce the footprint overall).

So far, I haven't found that reason and at this point I seriously doubt I ever will.

Windows 7, for many years to come it seems.
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I'll turn the question around. If the user experience isn't any worse, why wouldn't you upgrade?
 
SpeedyVV said:
You would think that [H] folk would be a bit more with it.

I mean, MS is not God, but I am sure that they do have at least of couple of smart guys.

The stability, performance, scalability, versatility, expandability, security, supportability... on and on and on are things that new generations of any OS provides.

What do we get? Oh, the FUCKING start menu is better in Windows 7!

Grow up!
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Good luck with that. I have yet to hear a good argument against Windows as a desktop OS for the masses.

heatlesssun said:
Or they want access to the best supported desktop platform there is. Windows' 3rd party support is by far its biggest strength and what differentiates it from all other desktop OSes.
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Precisely the reason why Linux doesn't get much love in my house. I'll admit that I haven't done the taste test in a couple of years, but the last one led me back to Windows. I work with Linux as I have to support appliances and servers on the firm's network, but that's it for me. I have a guy at the job who does ALMOST everything with Linux, but he has his issues and he still needs to touch a Windows computer for various tasks. I'm not going out of my way just for the sake of using Linux. Windows has been treating me just fine. The Windows desktops and servers at the firm where I work are very freakin' stable.

Domingo said:
I think it all just depends on how quick an accessible the final version of the start menu is.
I tried the public preview (the one from a few weeks ago) and found it to be rough and slow. In fact, I'd say the "All Programs" function on Windows 8 was quicker and easier to use. Everything else was nice, though. As long as they can get that under control, I'll be happy.
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I thought the Start menu performed like shit on top of shit on top of molasses in the previous builds, but build 10122 (Fast ring) runs SMOOOTH.
 
Tsumi said:
I'll turn the question around. If the user experience isn't any worse, why wouldn't you upgrade?
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I have no idea what question you're referring to but, in my experience of testing Windows 10 I can't find any reason to use the OS, that's all I'm saying. I've tested every legit build as well as most of the leaks, and I test on raw bare metal hardware, I don't use VMs just for the record - I have a Dell Latitude E6420 laptop, 8GB of DDR3 1600, 500GB 7200 rpm SATA II hard drive, Core i5-2540m CPU, Intel HD 3000 GPU, 1600x900 LCD, it's pretty damned powerful even in spite of its age, more than capable of running Windows 10 without issues.

It just happens to run Windows 7 better, and before someone pounces on me with a "Windows 10 isn't finished yet so it'll improve and run even better by RTM/GA later this year..." don't bother: Windows 10 is far enough along in development now that nothing major is going to happen to it in terms of overall performance so, again, I'm simply stating my own preference which is that I won't be adopting it when it's available even if it is free.

I mean, Linux has been free since day one - and I used the product(s) that Linus put out long ago when he first released his Minix clone, as well Slackware 1.0 before and after it was officially released too - and that's never been the draw for me: I can't stand Linux as a desktop OS but that's just me too.

There's nothing about Windows 10 that appeals to me, absolutely nothing, not even the zero cost potential.
 
Tiberian said:
It just happens to run Windows 7 better, and before someone pounces on me with a "Windows 10 isn't finished yet so it'll improve and run even better by RTM/GA later this year..." don't bother: Windows 10 is far enough along in development now that nothing major is going to happen to it in terms of overall performance so, again, I'm simply stating my own preference which is that I won't be adopting it when it's available even if it is free.
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One word, drivers. Those certainly are going to undergo a lot of changes and optimization
before RTM.
 
Tiberian said:
I have no idea what question you're referring to but, in my experience of testing Windows 10 I can't find any reason to use the OS, that's all I'm saying. I've tested every legit build as well as most of the leaks, and I test on raw bare metal hardware, I don't use VMs just for the record - I have a Dell Latitude E6420 laptop, 8GB of DDR3 1600, 500GB 7200 rpm SATA II hard drive, Core i5-2540m CPU, Intel HD 3000 GPU, 1600x900 LCD, it's pretty damned powerful even in spite of its age, more than capable of running Windows 10 without issues.

It just happens to run Windows 7 better, and before someone pounces on me with a "Windows 10 isn't finished yet so it'll improve and run even better by RTM/GA later this year..." don't bother: Windows 10 is far enough along in development now that nothing major is going to happen to it in terms of overall performance so, again, I'm simply stating my own preference which is that I won't be adopting it when it's available even if it is free.

I mean, Linux has been free since day one - and I used the product(s) that Linus put out long ago when he first released his Minix clone, as well Slackware 1.0 before and after it was officially released too - and that's never been the draw for me: I can't stand Linux as a desktop OS but that's just me too.

There's nothing about Windows 10 that appeals to me, absolutely nothing, not even the zero cost potential.
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You didn't say anything bad about Windows 10. If using Windows 10 isn't any worse than using Windows 7, why wouldn't you upgrade to 10? There might be no reason from a usage standpoint to upgrade, but at the very minimum you get longer support.
 
Tsumi said:
You didn't say anything bad about Windows 10. If using Windows 10 isn't any worse than using Windows 7, why wouldn't you upgrade to 10? There might be no reason from a usage standpoint to upgrade, but at the very minimum you get longer support.
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Windows 7 will be supported until at least 2020 - five more years, and will give Microsoft more time to sort out the desktop/mobile identity crisis that Windows is still in even in the latest builds. Waiting a few years will only get Windows 7 customers a better upgrade down the line. Seriously, where's the fire?

And upgrading because it "isn't any worse" isn't a compelling reason to upgrade, since there are drawbacks and downsides that aren't exactly advertised. A lot of nice features that some people may count on in 7 will be missing if they upgrade to 10.
 
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odditory said:
And "upgrading" because it "isn't any worse" really isn't an upgrade, since there are drawbacks and downsides and removed features between 7 and 10. Look before leap.
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For the average person Windows 10 should have more pluses than minuses over Windows 7. One thing that I will miss from 7/8.x is Windows Media Center but that's a pretty esoteric feature that most don't use, at least not the CableCard support which is the only things out of Media Center that's hard to replace.
 
odditory said:
Windows 7 will be supported until at least 2020 - five more years, and will give Microsoft more time to sort out the desktop/mobile identity crisis that Windows is still in even in the latest builds. Waiting a few years will only get Windows 7 customers a better upgrade down the line. Seriously, where's the fire?

And upgrading because it "isn't any worse" isn't a compelling reason to upgrade, since there are drawbacks and downsides that aren't exactly advertised. A lot of nice features that some people may count on in 7 will be missing if they upgrade to 10.
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If you upgrade to 10 during the free upgrade period, you'll get support until about 2026 (assuming they don't do away with Windows versions entirely), and you will have until 2026 to evaluate your options.

How exactly is there drawbacks and downsides when it isn't any worse? Aren't the two statements contradictory? The point is, if the person experiences no drawbacks/downsides, then why not upgrade?
 
heatlesssun said:
One word, drivers. Those certainly are going to undergo a lot of changes and optimization
before RTM.
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While that might be true of some situations, because my machine is older (circa mid-2011) and pure Intel through and through, the drivers that build 10125 has (most of them updated through late 2014 and even a few from 2015, surprisingly) will be as good as it gets especially with respect to the video which is the older Intel HD 3000 so there aren't going to be any updates to that one at all. So at least for me and this hardware, it's about as fast as it's going to get even with the late stage optimization that'll take place here shortly when they get to an actual Release Candidate.

Tsumi said:
You didn't say anything bad about Windows 10. If using Windows 10 isn't any worse than using Windows 7, why wouldn't you upgrade to 10? There might be no reason from a usage standpoint to upgrade, but at the very minimum you get longer support.
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But for me using Windows 10 is worse overall, which is what I've basically been saying even in spite of not tossing out hard specifics because if I do that then it just invites people to a) lambast me for expressing my opinions about the operating system and b) express their opinions about why my opinions aren't relevant or why their opinions are better, and so on.

I do my best to make it abundantly clear that I'm expressing my opinions and use of Windows 10 since the public (and not so public) testing phase(s) began and those opinions haven't changed from the first build I tested to the one I just removed earlier today (10125). I'm not saying Windows 10 won't be a big deal for many if not most people, I'm simply saying it ain't for me and at this point in development I'm effectively 100% certain it'll never be a day to day runner OS for me personally, that's it.

If I start pointing out "things I hate about Windows 10" then it just becomes one big nuisance to everyone else so, it's easier to just take the position that the operating system itself is of no use to me, period. That's my experience with it and basically exactly what the OP did when he (or she) created this thread in the first place even though we are at different points with respect to using Windows 10 overall. It offers nothing over Windows 7 at this point and because it's pretty much feature complete with the current (leaked) build 10125 then it's pretty clear there's no reason for me to bother with it outside of casual testing and just curiosity to see what finally became of the finished product.

As noted, Windows 7 still has years of support left which means updates and security fixes (I've never called Microsoft for actual support for 30+ years so far, ain't gonna start now) so, again, I find no compelling reason to grab Windows 10 when it's finished. I can't say what will happen when the time comes where Windows 7 just isn't a viable option anymore but I know it'll be a tough one when it does happen. I'm not some old codger than can't adapt to new things, really I'm not, but change for the sake of change is a bad idea in my opinion (I seem to have a lot of those, don't I?).

Personally I think that Microsoft should call this Windows X, seriously.

It's the last version of full complete version of Windows they're ever going to release which means nothing but bug fixes, patches, and updates from here on out with some new features added over time as they come along. That means no more version numbers (7, 8, 8.1, 10, etc) so that means it's almost an unknown thing.

"Introducing Windows X - Because even we don't know where we're going from here..."

And I don't mean calling it Windows X in the Roman numeral sense either ala Apple and OS X. I mean literally calling it OS X as in "ecks" the actual letter of the alphabet, the unknown variable, who knows what comes next, mysterious future, etc.

Would be a nice slap in the face to Apple too I suppose which is always a good thing. :D
 
Anyone having exceptionally long reboots/shutdowns on 10122? Takes a solid 5 minutes, whereas 9926 was mostly instant.
 
There are no performance, stability improvements or OS features in Win 10 besides start menu, virtual desktop and DX12. We have to wait a year for Redstone for any real features since all were postponed. At this point 10 is a minor skin over 8.1.
 
I can run smoothly on a surface pro 3 (bare metal) so if you are using a 6420 and having troubles those are likely driver related and not CPU capability related.
5 years goes by fast. Migrating users to a new OS is not a mild operation for large organizations. Win 10 isn't bulletproof yet but it is moving towards that quickly. Suit yourself and use XP if you like. I've used 8 and 8.1 and 10 is better. It has other kinds of idiosyncrasies, but if you think Win 7 doesn't you live in a different universe than I do for sure. And when you go to Win 11 you'll have an even bigger leap from 7 than from 10. Is that what you want to do to satisfy your "no need to upgrade" mentality? There wasn't a need to move folks to 8.1, but as a pro you'd better be ready if the team decides to go there. 10 is needed because there is a lot of garbage in 7 we need to jettison. There are a lot of bandaids that make it work very well, and it is a highly known element but 10 will be a highly known element in a year of use too. In case it's not apparent yet the era of "keep up to date or else" is quite well here, and that means IOS, Windows and Linux too. Linux upgrades were a pain in the neck a while back but they are starting to get with the program. If there is a feature that bugs you or abilities you need, drop feedback. If your opinion is "I don't need this so why would anyone need this" then become a dinosaur if you like. But you'll find more work keeping up, sorting out the new stuff and getting it to work and making positively sure that all your systems are working, up to date, have long support windows (which influences the quality of the current support a lot), and your recovery methods are solid and up to date.
 
MrCrispy said:
There are no performance, stability improvements or OS features in Win 10 besides start menu, virtual desktop and DX12. We have to wait a year for Redstone for any real features since all were postponed. At this point 10 is a minor skin over 8.1.
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And 7 was just a skin over Vista yet people love it. I don't mind if you call the animal by its spots but be aware that said above qualification nearly never rules out the success of a product. You think switches are all that evolved over 10 years ago?

Moreover 10 takes us back to the desktop as a focus, something widely mentioned in these forums and elsewhere as being 8.1's major mistake. So if you are now getting that, is that not a serious improvement? Think, try, learn.
 
Oh and full install or upgrade of a machine is a much better experience than Hyper V. There are a lot of niggles slow things a bit in the VM that simply don't occur on full hardware. If you've done both then you know what I mean. If you are only VM'ing the preview you aren't getting the full sauce, just FYI. What's funny is that it's easier to VM backwards recreating the 7 machine on Win 10 than to live the other way around.

Take backups. Win 10 can go boom sometimes.
 
PiERiT said:
Anyone having exceptionally long reboots/shutdowns on 10122? Takes a solid 5 minutes, whereas 9926 was mostly instant.
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Right now 3 VM's are all instant on different hardware. Drop feedback if it's slow so they can examine. I've found a few definite bugs that were worth mentioning in 10074, but not yet 10122. Edge is still a work in progress. If you leave it open when you shut down, try closing it before you shut down. It still has some teething issues.
 
Anemone said:
I can run smoothly on a surface pro 3 (bare metal) so if you are using a 6420 and having troubles those are likely driver related and not CPU capability related.
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Where did this idea come from that I'm having trouble of some kind with Windows 10 (any build)? I've stated things fairly clearly for the most part, at least I think I have, but I guess I'll clarify my position with a bit more em-faaaa-sis this time:

I think Windows 10 sucks and I haven't been able to find one single aspect or reason to make me have any thoughts of using it when it's finished, not even the fact that it'll be the last full version of Windows ever released and completely free (for that first year).

There, is that better? :D

As stated, I can't find any compelling reason to consider it a viable path for the future. No matter how many times I go back and take another look at Windows 10, I can't find a reason to want to keep using it. Had the same issue with 8 and 8.1, they're just not my thing so to speak. Windows 7 fits my requirements perfectly without issues since long before RTM/GA (early beta stages), and I never used Vista as my day to day runner OS ever, just for learning and testing purposes - I'd used XP Pro x64 since the day that became available on MSDN way back in oh, 2003-ish (since it was actually the XP skin/UI slapped on top of Windows 2003 Server and turned into a "workstation OS" more than anything else).

XP Pro x64 is still the fastest, snappiest, and most responsive OS I've ever used in my entire life and that's across thousands of builds and configs and probably over 50,000 installs of Windows versions too. Hell, I installed XP Pro x64 on this E6420 of mine when I got it just for shits and giggles, really - was a bit of a chore with respect to the SATA controller but the Vista drivers did eventually function to get it working. Tested system responsiveness with DPC Latency Checker and it was under 40 µs consistently (with Windows 7 the average is about 80 µs so it's crazy responsive. Wish it was still supported to be honest, I'd still use it because it was just so insanely fast at everything I ever used it for.

Anyway, enough of my rambling I suppose. For me personally a great OS is more than just having the most up to date aspects of the code and hardware support - it has to be something I can work with in terms of the usability of operating it and Windows 8, 8.1, and 10 have just thrown a huge monkey wrench (or twenty) into that for me whereas Windows 7 and I are just... well, let's just say we work well together and that's that and there's no reason to muck with that "relationship" anytime soon. ;)

As long as all the software I use works with Windows 7, as long as the hardware I use works with Windows 7, then Windows 7 will remain my day to day OS (with other things in VMs I suppose) for as long as possible.

And while I know for a fact that a great percentage of current Windows 10 testers are using it inside a VM of whatever kind (QEMU, VMware, VirtualBox, etc) the usefulness of whatever data is being provided to Microsoft isn't nearly as useful as it would be if it was being tested on the bare metal hardware it's designed for. If you're just goofing off learning about Windows 10 then a VM is fine I guess, but if you seriously intend to provide feedback for Windows 10, running it inside a VM is just not the proper solution since the hardware config is virtualized and static - Microsoft needs info and feedback on as many real-world bare metal configs as possible to work out the bugs that still exist (and there's quite a few of 'em even at this point).

I really can't see them releasing this by late summer but that's just me I suppose. It remains to be seen if they make the so-called announced RTM for July that was posted in various places earlier today.
 
Tiberian said:
If that's your actual opinion of Windows 7 - that it's just a skin over Vista - then I'd say you missed something... ;)
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Yep everyone knows it's a foreskin over Vista, not just any old skin.
 
Comparing Vista SP2 and 7... yeah, 7 is pretty much a skin over Vista.
 
MrCrispy said:
IMO there has been little to no progress in Win 10, 99% of effort is spent on the Start menu which is still wonky and unreliable and its basically the same OS as 8.1 with a few cosmetic changes.
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I feel like everyone said the same thing about Vista and Windows 7, and look how that ended up
 
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