Skylake -k confirmed for August/September

Waiting for Cannonlake is completely pointless.

Skylake is the way to go.
 
That depends. If you want USB 3.1 native to the chipset, you'll wait for Cannonlake. That wait could indeed be pointless for many people.

Solder on Skylake seems unlikely, but possible. The switch to TIM from my understanding was due to two primary complications, one being a result of the increasingly smaller dies leading to solder's unreliability, the second being the gap between the IHS and cores being too large. This is contrary to the common belief that it was done purely for financial reasons (cost saving). It is possible Intel has addressed both of these and found they can once again use solder, but I find this highly unlikely. The fact that they kept it for Devil's Canyon, instead deciding to modify the formula (while also likely shortening the gap between the cores and IHS) seem to indicate this is the path they will continue on.
 
I find this is the most economical (but not [H]) way of doing it too; buy the fastest CPU possible - drop in a new GPU when required.

My patience is wearing a bit thin with my old Phenom x4 955 and the AM3 mounting bracket; although it's great in the cold months =D


If the Anandtech bench is accurate swapping out the Phenom for a i5 4690K / i7 4790K equivalent should be a massive 3x speed boost. A few USB3 ports at last wouldn't hurt either. =\

I'm not adverse to the idea of T designated parts either - I don't know what they're like in practice.

As long as it's not a pile of crap like Prescott with it's RDRAM....ugh...urk...*think happy thoughts*

Silverstone FT05 case...solid state drive...16+GB ram....*ah much better*....

You're actually better off money wise going slightly under the top (deministing returns). My 2500+ @ 4.4Ghz is still holding up well, but I might upgrade to Sky Lake if it overclocks decently because I need to replace my CPU cooler (grinding) and case (falling apart) anyway so I might as well.
 
This isn't a troll post. I'm fairly confident that I remember reading this about Skylake. I'll try to dig it up.

Not a troll post (I'm not up to speed on this) but any guesses on how this platform will compare to a 5960x/X99 setup (see sig)

I know you guys may mean well, but neither you nor anyone else has posted any links corroborating this. I can't seem to find any info either, my Google Fu is failing me.
 
I don't game at all. BUT I do edit Video for a living.

So should I wait for Skylake or should I just go ahead and upgrade now? I can absolutely wait until Sept / Oct if it will mean a huge benefit to Video / Photoshop work.

Thanks
Ryan G

You would be best off with a HEDT system (Currently X99 / Haswell-E) -- go with the 5960X and get 8 cores, that will rip through video editing faster than anything else, besides going multi socket, which gets VERY expensive.
 
You would be best off with a HEDT system (Currently X99 / Haswell-E) -- go with the 5960X and get 8 cores, that will rip through video editing faster than anything else, besides going multi socket, which gets VERY expensive.

E5-2630 v3 is about equivalent to the 5960X, but is cheaper by about $300.

E5-2620 v3 hexacore is cheaper yet and may make sense for going dual processor.


...assuming this is the price realm to be shopping at.
 
I saw a supposed leaked benchmark of skylake on I think it was pcper, and wept.

I think it's safe to say that Intel is now a GPU company.
 
For nonbusiness yes. But for business they put out 24 and 28 core cpus.. The difference is staggering...
 
what is the expectet perfomance increase moving from i7-2600k to an i7-6700k? 30ish percent increase?
 
Pretty decent jump - prolly 35%... If I was still on Sandy I'd be upgrading asap. The motherboard features alone...
 
Pretty decent jump - prolly 35%... If I was still on Sandy I'd be upgrading asap. The motherboard features alone...

I hope these figures turn out to be in the ballpark of reality. That would be an estimated 25-30% jump from my 3770K. If they really are switching back to solder under the IHS, them I'm likely going to be overhauling my system come Feb/Mar after the tax return hits my bank account.
 
My great crystal ball says I'd likely buy a... ASUS H170-I Plus. Or, actually, after calculating my budget I figured I might not. lol (Or, maybe an AsRock or Gigabyte.)
 
How much is skylake gonna cost? My wallet wants to know...

Probably in the ballpark of Haswell. I'm guessing $230-275 for the i5k and $345-390 for the i7k. And probably towards the higher end of those figures.
 
How much is skylake gonna cost? My wallet wants to know...

Usually they replace what the current lineups are and prices remain unchanged. However the curveball here is the imminent release of Broadwell.Are they launching in the same competitive time frame and if so will we be seeing a weird portfolio of proudcts:

Right now its simple Non-K, S, K

Broadwell and Skylake combined have, Non-K, S, C, K.

dont know the price points as of yet
 
Anyone know if the HSF mounting specs/bolt holes/pattern is the same for the new LGA 1151 socket as existing LGA 1155/1150? I can't seem to find any info about it yet...
 
Anyone know if the HSF mounting specs/bolt holes/pattern is the same for the new LGA 1151 socket as existing LGA 1155/1150? I can't seem to find any info about it yet...

I doubt it, but since they moved to a general IHS design, all you need is a new bracket. I still have some coolers from the 775 days that I have brackets for that fit 1150.
 
Anyone know if the HSF mounting specs/bolt holes/pattern is the same for the new LGA 1151 socket as existing LGA 1155/1150? I can't seem to find any info about it yet...

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This is the clearest shot I could find of the Asus Z170 Pro socket area, from Computex this morning. Looks very similar if not identical to 1150 to my not at all skilled gaze.
 
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This is the clearest shot I could find of the Asus Z170 Pro socket area, from Computex this morning. Looks very similar if not identical to 1150 to my not at all skilled gaze.

I slapped together a comparison to 1150.. I don't see any difference in the mounting.

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Interesting... hope to see the U-series mobile Skylake in a Surface Pro 4 this fall!
 
Man, my trusty old Phenom II 955 @ 4ghz is really starting to show it's age.
 
I'm going to have to agree with an early post.

I'm completely willing to go to Skylake from my i7-4790k... but there is going to have to be a major performance reason. 15% would be the minimum to compel me to change.

Otherwise, there's nothing really different or better unless you are getting Pascal and PCIE 4.0.

There's still no really good reason for most of us to need more than 4 cores. I'm still trying to figure out how Broadwell fits for home power users or gamers. It just kind of doesn't.

As always though, let's see the benchmarks.
 
Hopefully this is the upgrade I been looking for my i7-2600k. Been serving me well for the last 4 years. Just waiting for a good Gigabyte board to go along with Skylake if it lives up to its performance.
 
Im guessing my 5820k at 4.5ghz / 3000mhz quad channel memory and soon, 980 ti SLI's will keep me comfy for the next 18 months

That should be comfy for the next 3 years, at least, considering Intel's current pace. There's no current reason to upgrade a Sandy Bridge based system except power consumption. A 2600k is within 15% of the 5775C or 4770k, and barely 20% slower than the 4790k. Skylake is, again, more about reducing power consumption than increasing performance. Sandy Bridge should be able to run current software and games for the next 3 years. Your 5820k should be good for a good while longer than that.

Without AMD to push them along, Intel's going to milk the current tech for all they can. They have no reason to push their engineers to make it faster. So, they're working on tablet and phone stuff.
 
I slapped together a comparison to 1150.. I don't see any difference in the mounting.

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the 100 series chipsets are for socket 1150 Broadwell. Skylake is for another chipset and another socket, but the same heatsink mounting holes.
 
How is 20 Pci Lanes a lot? Should be 40 Native, this 20 sound like Hot Vomit in a bag.
 
I'm going to have to agree with an early post.

I'm completely willing to go to Skylake from my i7-4790k... but there is going to have to be a major performance reason. 15% would be the minimum to compel me to change.

Otherwise, there's nothing really different or better unless you are getting Pascal and PCIE 4.0.

There's still no really good reason for most of us to need more than 4 cores. I'm still trying to figure out how Broadwell fits for home power users or gamers. It just kind of doesn't.

As always though, let's see the benchmarks.

AMD isn't pushing Intel into making faster technology. They've concentrating on tablet and phone processors now. (One twentieth the size, on tenth the price, same production cost per wafer, more processors per wafer. All that adds up to a massive increase in profit over desktop or laptop chips.) I really doubt Skylake will have any more than 10% over Haswell. It will probably be closer to 0.

PCIe 3.0 isn't any big deal over 2.0. No GPU is able to saturate that even at x8 widths. PCIe 4.0 isn't going to be anything big, at least not until we get some better SSDs and 10Gbe networking. One lane of PCIe 4.0 should be able to handle 10Gbe, which might be useful, and a PCIe 4.0 x1 SSD should be nice for most things. Right now, those SSDs don't exist and 10Gbe isn't cost effective, especially considering all 10Gbe NICs use PCIe 2.0, which requires 4 lanes to be effective. So, PCIe 4.0 dreaming is not really useful.

No, there won't be any real excitement in the CPU arena for quite some time.
 
How is 20 Pci Lanes a lot? Should be 40 Native, this 20 sound like Hot Vomit in a bag.

No kidding...and you have to buy the Z170 chipset to get 20 lanes. God forbid you want to run SLI on high end cards and try out a PCIe NVMe drive.
 
I really hope this is a lot faster than my 2500K.
I've been itching to give the 2500K to my Dad cos he needs something better, but its gotta be worth the cash for me to upgrade.
Broadwell is yawn.
The talk of better motherboard features isnt compelling either, I dont feel I'm missing anything.
Fingers crossed Skylake holds up well.

Intel should be able to push higher frequency on the smaller process.
It looks like they are keeping this in reserve to later annihilate AMD again, increase yields or give themselves some breathing room if other future tech is awkward to get out of the door..
Perhaps the need for higher freq will be alleviated for gaming when DX12 is used due to better multi core support.
Even some DX11 games have been shown to perform better when run on a DX12 system (although that was helping AMDs drivers thread better by the looks of it).
If DX12 really does help AMD compete, we should see some fireworks between them and NVidia :)
/waffle
 
It looks like they are keeping this in reserve to later annihilate AMD again,

Not at all likely. AMD is not a threat, hasn't been for many years. The greatest competition to Intel's new processors are Intel's old processors.
 
Darn you X58 hex, why do you just keep going? Other than mobo features, performance will have to be significantly better than what I have for me to upgrade. Other than gpu, I just don't feel like I'm lacking enough. Must keep hardware itch under control.....
 
AMD isn't pushing Intel into making faster technology. They've concentrating on tablet and phone processors now. (One twentieth the size, on tenth the price, same production cost per wafer, more processors per wafer. All that adds up to a massive increase in profit over desktop or laptop chips.) I really doubt Skylake will have any more than 10% over Haswell. It will probably be closer to 0.


No, there won't be any real excitement in the CPU arena for quite some time.

The thing is, neither AMD nor Intel has any huge incentive to put all their R&D on making desktop processors, that's not where the money's at. While the enthusiasts crowd may buy a new processor for the sake of upgrading, most desktop users are not looking to buy a new CPU no matter how fast they are, because their existing CPU are still capable of serving their needs.

So I think a huge part of why it hasn't been exciting is simply because the need for faster hardware isn't there. As long as applications remain lagging far behind the hardware performance offerings, faster CPU isn't going to be serving any purpose for most users anyway.

Personally I'm not complaining about having to keep my CPU for 5 years though. It will only allow me to spend my extra money on other stuff :p
 
So... 5930K now or 6700K later? Both upgrades cost the same(CPU,Mobo, RAM) but the extra cores are tempting. My 2600K is still working fine but I do find myself waiting sometimes while working in Photoshop or editing videos.

If the 15% were a fact I would wait for Skylake but some of the other leaks suggest it is more like 5%. Hopefully the Haifa team will not disappoint.
 
So... 5930K now or 6700K later? Both upgrades cost the same(CPU,Mobo, RAM) but the extra cores are tempting. My 2600K is still working fine but I do find myself waiting sometimes while working in Photoshop or editing videos.

If the 15% were a fact I would wait for Skylake but some of the other leaks suggest it is more like 5%. Hopefully the Haifa team will not disappoint.

I doubt we'll see any difference in gaming between them even if Skylake is 15% faster as games are no where near utilizing Haswell CPUs. And for video rendering 5930K will be advantageous, as the 15% will not be enough to compensate for the extra cores you have in 5930K.

Besides, with DX12 in the future, the extra cores would come into play which will allow 6-8 cores CPU to pull ahead. So personally I would invest in the 5930K... just IMO.
 
My wife and server both need upgrades so finally building myself a new PC also upgrades all the other. .

Since your looking to upgrade your wife what model is she and what do you do with the old ones? Just looking for a budget back up version. :D
 
So... 5930K now or 6700K later? Both upgrades cost the same(CPU,Mobo, RAM) but the extra cores are tempting. My 2600K is still working fine but I do find myself waiting sometimes while working in Photoshop or editing videos.

If the 15% were a fact I would wait for Skylake but some of the other leaks suggest it is more like 5%. Hopefully the Haifa team will not disappoint.

I was thinking the same thing and ended up going 5930k. Still interested to see what Skylake looks like though.
 
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