390X coming soon few weeks

Uncomfortable truth: If the cost of operating a $500 video card over the course of a year actually makes a difference in your finances you probably shouldn't buy that card in the first place.
 
Rizen said:
Uncomfortable truth: If the cost of operating a $500 video card over the course of a year actually makes a difference in your finances you probably shouldn't buy that card in the first place.
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QFT!!!!
 
Rizen said:
Uncomfortable truth: If the cost of operating a $500 video card over the course of a year actually makes a difference in your finances you probably shouldn't buy that card in the first place.
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I agree completely.

Although I think those arguing about operating costs are just talking in hypothetical and hyperbolic terms. I mean ffs I spent nearly $200 last month on dining out alone, when I could've just did the cooking myself and saved 50-75% of the costs.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
The rumor is from a few days ago, already been discussed.
The sources are nebulous, anyway.

It's pretty much a guarantee the cards will be announced at either Computex or E3 and now the rumormill is battling over both... Meh.
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my bet is computex will be entry level till r9 380x then e3 the big guns will be unveiled. this will force nvidia into releasing 980ti.
 
DASHlT said:
Techreport video with good info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twk-0On2Exg

Explain a lot of questions people have, and stop a lot of the bullshit about the 390x.
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All the talking points sound familiar to what I and a few others have been saying...
FYI- The question about latency was directly related to the interposer and using shorter traces for the interface, which doesn't impact latency. That wasn't taking into account the inherit design of HBM that has a lower latency than GDDR5.
 
LordEC911 said:
All the talking points sound familiar to what I and a few others have been saying...
FYI- The question about latency was directly related to the interposer/interface being shorter. That wasn't taking into account the inherit design of HBM that has a lower latency than GDDR5.
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O I know you have. It's just some people are blindly ignoring them.

Looking forward to seeing the 390x can do.

What I am really curious about is if they do a respin of the 290x GPU with the compression tech that Tonga has (like they mentioned in the video). Would really like to see what it could do.

Or a hawaii GPU with HBM (a dream)
 
DASHlT said:
What I am really curious about is if they do a respin of the 290x GPU with the compression tech that Tonga has (like they mentioned in the video). Would really like to see what it could do.

Or a hawaii GPU with HBM (a dream)
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I don't see why not, using HBM would save some die space over Hawaii (though Hawaii interface is very dense), save maybe 30-40w using lower clocked HBM (800-850mhz @ 1.15v) that would still have 25-30% more bandwidth than Hawaii, cut down DP to 1/8th or 1/16th, use a newer GCN iteration and pick a better process that is now very mature that hopefully clocks better.

They could potentially get the die size down around GM204, maybe a little lower, increase performance to match/slightly beat GM204 and get power consumption down to ~200w, aka ~160-180w in Nvidia terms.
The only reason not to would be the price segments it slots into might be too low and possibly having 3 cutdown Fiji parts.
 
DASHlT said:
O I know you have. It's just some people are blindly ignoring them.

Looking forward to seeing the 390x can do.

What I am really curious about is if they do a respin of the 290x GPU with the compression tech that Tonga has (like they mentioned in the video). Would really like to see what it could do.

Or a hawaii GPU with HBM (a dream)
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you do realise the r9 290x was a full fat hawaii, it was cut down. the card you dreaming of will be the r9 380x we dont know about the hbm part though so relax champ it will be revealed at computex.
 
DASHlT said:
O I know you have. It's just some people are blindly ignoring them.

Looking forward to seeing the 390x can do.

What I am really curious about is if they do a respin of the 290x GPU with the compression tech that Tonga has (like they mentioned in the video). Would really like to see what it could do.

Or a hawaii GPU with HBM (a dream)
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I honestly don't think it would make much difference other than power savings and increasing the cost... The 290x is already 20% slower than a 980 with a 40% higher memory bandwidth. It would need more core speed eg. 390x to make use of it probably, a 290x with HBM would probably not be much better than a 290x with 7ghz GDDR5.
 
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got a pic of the fan version of Fiji with size comparison to a 290 card

amd-radeon-r9-390x-fi5apbi.jpg


http://abload.de/img/amd-radeon-r9-390x-fi5apbi.jpg

notice how 290 just uses single fan blower style
 
n=1 said:
I agree completely.

Although I think those arguing about operating costs are just talking in hypothetical and hyperbolic terms. I mean ffs I spent nearly $200 last month on dining out alone, when I could've just did the cooking myself and saved 50-75% of the costs.
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Haha, I agree unless your a bitcoin miner or something. Those costs only matter if you plan on scaling it. However I spend like $500 eating out a month but thats really because I dont cook very often anymore.
 
The Mac said:
its a little more complicated than that.

Johan at Digital Illusions wanted to push hardware as much as possible (as did most of the industry, but he was the most vocal, and DICE was the only one willing to throw money at it), AMD was the only one interested in helping him.

He basically created Mantle with the help of AMD.

All the tools and interfaces are a direct result of his work.

AMD created the software, he created all the interfaces based on what was needed for the Frostbyte engine.

We should thank him for his passion.

It created Mantle, DX12 and Vulkan.
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In the end this is what the industry needed badly. The games of last year which are running DX11 should be able to run on something as a tablet (maybe something that is available next year).
To many people do not realize this: laptops which needed certain high end spec to game on could get away with gaming on mid range laptop. In the end this will make a lot of money because the theoretical user base just exploded to way more users owning mid range laptops. Which should lead to more sales.
 
Hopefully, AMD can bring some good, stable, useful drivers this time around.
It's always been great hardware...with sh*t drivers.
That simply won't cut it.
 
Saabjock said:
Hopefully, AMD can bring some good, stable, useful drivers this time around.
It's always been great hardware...with sh*t drivers.
That simply won't cut it.
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always amazed by such comments as Nvidia has worse drivers by far.
so if it didnt cut it then nvidia wouldnt sell cards.
Normally its user error.
 
Nice sketch http://abload.de/img/amd-radeon-r9-390x-fi5apbi.jpg just upstream by Fantaz.

I really hope the new cards aren't that long. Sure, there're cases which can handle it, and I like large cases, but I would think most cases couldn't handle it. (Assuming the fans are the same diameter as the height of the card (maximize fan area and minimize needed rpm), then that last fan would have the card sticking out by about 4" past the edge of the mobo. All very rough, of course.)

Having to buy a new case and/or reconfigure a build just to fit a new card into the PCIe slot is not a great design characteristic. I think "size" is on my list (somewhere above TDP ;) ).

I'd almost prefer an AIO liquid solution. Yes, that takes a lot more work than dropping a card in a PCIe slot and attaching two 8-pin power connectors. But, it's easier than removing drive cages or buying a new case. (Assumes your case has room for a radiator to be put somewhere.)

It'll be interesting...
 
the fan cooled version of R9 390X might end up being long but that picture is way over exaggerated with 33% of the card being longer than mobo length

this is one of the longer R9 290X aftermarket coolers and I don't imagine the R9 390X being longer than that with it having HBM memory

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Quartz-1 said:
A leak via OC3D shows the 390X as being a smidge faster than the Titan X but only having 4 GB VRAM.
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LeviathanZERO said:
AMD R9 390X VS GTX 980 Ti Performance Leaked
(shown as Fiji XT)
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/amd_r9_390x_vs_gtx_980_ti_performance_leak/1
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TaintedSquirrel said:
Those are Chiphell benches from March.
Kinda disappointing that website keeps posting old stuff.
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Udgnim said:
the fan cooled version of R9 390X might end up being long but that picture is way over exaggerated with 33% of the card being longer than mobo length

this is one of the longer R9 290X aftermarket coolers and I don't imagine the R9 390X being longer than that with it having HBM memory

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it is longer than that card... you guys should believe me when it's the longest card i've ever seen.

and exclusively sharing this info with Hard Forum only. :)
 
Flopper said:
always amazed by such comments as Nvidia has worse drivers by far.
so if it didnt cut it then nvidia wouldnt sell cards.
Normally its user error.
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Tell that to the guys trying to play Rfactor2 for months now (at less than half the framerate and worst...stuttering) or to the guys with the grey and red screen problems...without solutions months on.
 
I went to the RFactor2 forums and the 2nd post is entitled "Crash to desktop w SLI and nVidia 350.12 drivers". The fans seem to have made a makeshift workaround to solve that issue, but now SLi doesn't scale in the game. But at least they aren't crashing now and can play the game at much reduced performance.

Here is another one entitled, "Nvidia 3D - Very Bad Performance and Slowdown"

Here is an AMD thread entitled "AMD FlipQueueSize_SET reg entry" that suggests using the latest driver to fix stuttering in the game.

From a layman looking in from the outside it would seem that both AMD and Nvidia have issues with that game.
 
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why do amd only use new gen in one card, the top end card and use rebranded crap for other cards?
 
chrcoluk said:
why do amd only use new gen in one card, the top end card and use rebranded crap for other cards?
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Because they don't have the resources to do a full series of new GPU's one year before they leave 28nm.
We don't have any details about the sub-Fiji cards, though.
 
I want to do some portrait landscape portrait gaming. The only card that currently supports it natively with AMD drivers is the R9 285 (from what I understand). I have two Dell 20" which will be portrait and one Dell 30" which will be landscape. From what I've read the 285 doesn't really have the horsepower to run 4960x1600 resolution on newer games -- since it is about the equivalent of a GTX670 - which is what I currently have.

There is a good sale on the AMD R9 285 right now at newegg where I could get a Gigabyte card and a copy of DIRT rally for $160 after rebate. That's a decent price to be able to explore the PLP tech for gaming, but I'd buy knowing it isn't really a performance upgrade from what I currently have in the Nvidia GTX 670.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125679

I'd like to consider the 3xx series, but I specifically want PLP support which is I guess only supported by Tonga generation AMD tech.

Two questions -- will the 3xx series be built on tonga (R9 285) or hawaii tech (used for R9 290x)? (This is all confusing as I've been a staunch Nvidia guy for the last 15 years). I've long had it in the back of my mind that I wanted to try a 3 monitor PLP setup, and if AMD began supporting it - I'd jump sides, because Nvidia seems unwilling to do it.

How much money am I looking to spend (wild guesses acceptable) on a 3xx series card that is fast enough to support the 4960x1600 resololution in a way that is meaningful over the R9 285? I am unwilling to spend $500 on a graphics card - no matter how much better. I'd spend $300, however, if it was significantly faster than the R9 285. By significantly I mean 50% faster? maybe?


Thoughts? Should I just sell my 670, buy the R9 285 to try out PLP and buy the appropriate 3xx or even wait a gen and try AMD 4xx when the prices are known, or would recommend waiting till the 3xx series is released because it MIGHT be possible I could get a significantly faster card (say 50% faster than the $160 R9 285) for $300 or less?
 
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Archaea said:
I want to do some portrait landscape portrait gaming. The only card that currently supports it natively with AMD drivers is the R9 285 (from what I understand). I have two Dell 20" which will be portrait and one Dell 30" which will be landscape. From what I've read the 285 doesn't really have the horsepower to run 4960x1600 resolution on newer games -- since it is about the equivalent of a GTX670 - which is what I currently have.

There is a good sale on the AMD R9 285 right now at newegg where I could get a Gigabyte card and a copy of DIRT rally for $160 after rebate. That's a decent price to be able to explore the PLP tech for gaming, but I'd buy knowing it isn't really a performance upgrade from what I currently have in the Nvidia GTX 670.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125679

I'd like to consider the 3xx series, but I specifically want PLP support which is I guess only supported by Tonga generation AMD tech.

Two questions -- will the 3xx series be built on tonga (R9 285) or hawaii tech (used for R9 290x)? (This is all confusing as I've been a staunch Nvidia guy for the last 15 years). I've long had it in the back of my mind that I wanted to try a 3 monitor PLP setup, and if AMD began supporting it - I'd jump sides, because Nvidia seems unwilling to do it.

How much money am I looking to spend (wild guesses acceptable) on a 3xx series card that is fast enough to support the 4960x1600 resololution in a way that is meaningful over the R9 285? I am unwilling to spend $500 on a graphics card - no matter how much better. I'd spend $300, however, if it was significantly faster than the R9 285. By significantly I mean 50% faster? maybe?


Thoughts? Should I just sell my 670, buy the R9 285 to try out PLP and buy the appropriate 3xx or even wait a gen and try AMD 4xx when the prices are known, or would recommend waiting till the 3xx series is released because it MIGHT be possible I could get a significantly faster card (say 50% faster than the $160 R9 285) for $300 or less?
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when the new series are out you know before that its just speculation as far.
none knows.
 
There was some speculation that the 390x would be tonga (r9 285) but it is not for sure.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Fiji is tonga-based, perhaps.
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Seeing as tonga is GCN 1.2 it will most likely be somewhat based on tonga as that was newest iteration of GCN AMD has used in a card so far.

Edit: actually Fiji will most likely use GCN 1.2 just as tonga does, at least that is what the speculators are saying.
 
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