FCC Rules Are Costing Broadband Industry Money

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By a show of hands, how many of you really care that the new FCC rules are costing the broadband industry money? Anyone?

Within the petition the groups filed today is an admission that the FCC decision is already making it difficult for Internet providers to demand fees for network interconnection. Even though the rules don't take effect until June 12, the threat of complaints seemingly spurred AT&T and Verizon to settle longstanding disputes with companies that objected to paying for network upgrades that would improve service for the Internet providers' subscribers.
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The one risk is that there is limited competition in the broadband market and if it becomes less profitable there will be little incentive to increase competitiveness ... we have already seen Verizon looking to offload their fiber FIOS service to a 3rd party so they can concentrate on the much more profitable wireless business (which isn't affected by these new rule changes as much) ... although I agree that we need to manage the broadband companies through some form of regulation we have to be careful that we don't make an already expensive service any more expensive ... these companies have to protect their stock price (not really serve consumers) so if the two come into conflict it is usually the stock price that will win ;)
 
Tac0 said:
"By a show of hands, how many of you really care that the new FCC rules are costing the broadband industry money? Anyone?"
>You SHOULD care. Companies don't absorb extra costs without passing it along to the consumer.
That's why I care.
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They're going to raise your bill and cram charges anyway. You think your bill wouldn't go up anyway,then I got a bridge to sell you
 
Skripka said:
They're going to raise your bill and cram charges anyway. You think your bill wouldn't go up anyway,then I got a bridge to sell you
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Why go asking for it?
Get a clue...show me a company that absorbs extra cost without raining prices, and I'll show you a unicorn.
 
Skripka said:
They're going to raise your bill and cram charges anyway. You think your bill wouldn't go up anyway,then I got a bridge to sell you
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You're right they are going to keep raising rates, only faster. The only place they can't raise rates is where google fiber is.
 
Understand that these are peering related disputes. It's a world of politics and dick swinging.

As a customer of a transit provider, I applaud faster resolution to peering congestion and settlement disputes.
 
>Peer congestion

Total myth and bullshit, what the ISP's describe as "Congestion" is "People's connections slow down by 5% during the heaviest connection times of the day"

Sorry to say I trust Google before I trust any of these ISP companies, if they say the internet can easily take the load and that bandwidth truly fucking costs next to nothing, and they run the biggest data network IN THE WORLD, I'll believe them.
 
I used to be a mugger for a living. I would threaten to stab people unless they gave me their money. Sometimes, I would have to stab someone just so everyone else knew how serious I was. I made a lot of money mugging people.

But then they passed this law that said it was illegal to stab people. It's now illegal to even threaten to stab someone. My business took a real dive after these laws were passed. It's costing me and others in my industry a lot of money.
 
Tac0 said:
"By a show of hands, how many of you really care that the new FCC rules are costing the broadband industry money? Anyone?"
>You SHOULD care. Companies don't absorb extra costs without passing it along to the consumer.
That's why I care.
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You're very naive if you believe that ISPs are currently operating anywhere close to costs, and that its their costs that are keeping prices high, especially when we had that recent article that demonstrated Comcast had over 100% profit margin built in to its internet service sales.

Can you imagine if car manufacturers had a 100% profit margin, thanks to you only being able to buy a Ford Focus or Chevy Spark thanks to local monopolies in your area, both selling for $35K... or you could always just walk! That's what broadband sales are like currently in America, and its ridiculous.
 
Brief history lesson since this ruling of making ISP's a common carrier like phones etc:

"WE HAD TO CANCEL ALL OUR UPGRADE PLANS IN THESE AREA'S!"

"Oh? Can you show us these area's etc? This would be helpful to our investigations"

"WE HAD TO CANCEL THEM!"

"Can you show this?"

"NO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T BECAUSE WE'VE CANCELLED THEM ALL!"

"*3 days later* Our investigations shows that you were not upgrading these area's, and even more so that you never even started the process of looking into area's to upgrade. You were not upgrading anything."

"HAHAHA DID WE SAY WE WERE UPGRADING THESE AREA'S AND HAD TO CANCEL THOSE PLANS?! YOU MISHEARD US, WE SAID WE HAD TO CANCEL ANY FUTURE UPGRADE PLANS"

"But you said....."

"WE WERE NOT LYING"

That happened in the first week of the FCC's ruling. ISP's have a history of lying to, well, fucking everyone.
 
Tac0 said:
You SHOULD care. Companies don't absorb extra costs without passing it along to the consumer.
That's why I care.
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Totally false. Companies are going to charge as much as the market will bear, regardless of costs. If they could raise rates without a huge backlash, they would have already done it. And really, considering how much ISP's are raping us, they have already raised their rates as much as possible. In other words, the current rates represent what they should be charging if their costs were significantly higher. We already paid for increased costs that don't exist. They can pay for this out of their ridiculously huge profit margins.
 
Tac0 said:
"By a show of hands, how many of you really care that the new FCC rules are costing the broadband industry money? Anyone?"
>You SHOULD care. Companies don't absorb extra costs without passing it along to the consumer.
That's why I care.
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You pay for it one way or another. Through higher subscription fees to companies like Amazon or Netflix or higher cable bill.

At least with the later you still have a choice or who you want to use in an open, fair, and competitive way.
 
I'll I hear is that their programs to sway government aren't paying off for once?

All I can say is...

Suck it Trebek. Suck it long. And suck it hard.
 
Ducman69 said:
You're very naive if you believe that ISPs are currently operating anywhere close to costs, and that its their costs that are keeping prices high, especially when we had that recent article that demonstrated Comcast had over 100% profit margin built in to its internet service sales.

Can you imagine if car manufacturers had a 100% profit margin, thanks to you only being able to buy a Ford Focus or Chevy Spark thanks to local monopolies in your area, both selling for $35K... or you could always just walk! That's what broadband sales are like currently in America, and its ridiculous.
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Please read a 10k and stop being ignorant.
 
So ISPs fire back by tripling the number of tiers of service? Internet read 5Mbps, Better than Internet ready 10Mbps, Even Better than Internet Read 15Mbps.... ( 8 tiers later) This ain't your pappy's Internet anymore 105 Mbps
 
d_stilgar said:
I used to be a mugger for a living. I would threaten to stab people unless they gave me their money. Sometimes, I would have to stab someone just so everyone else knew how serious I was. I made a lot of money mugging people.

But then they passed this law that said it was illegal to stab people. It's now illegal to even threaten to stab someone. My business took a real dive after these laws were passed. It's costing me and others in my industry a lot of money.
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Lol
 
Tac0 said:
^^and this^^
Google is gub'ment favored company...
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And Comcast, Cox, Time-Warner, Verizon, Mediacom, At&t aren't?

I guess Google is the only one that gets franchise agreements, lobbyist money and other crap like that.
 
Oh noes, they'll have to make slightly less than 10's of billion's in profit which they then sit on without re-investing in infrastructure.
 
Tac0 said:
"By a show of hands, how many of you really care that the new FCC rules are costing the broadband industry money? Anyone?"
>You SHOULD care. Companies don't absorb extra costs without passing it along to the consumer.
That's why I care.
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You really don't understand how much money there is in broadband. It's far more profitable than cable TV. Just a fact Tac0. I worked in Telecom for a long time and we did wireless, cable and internet. It was much harder to make money from cable than Internet.

Hell, just look at AT&T's gigabit service. In Austin it's the same price as Google Fiber. In Dallas, it's 30 or 40 more. Why? They have no competition. There are at least 3 broadband providers in the Dallas area, but they rarely compete with each other (AT&T DSL doesn't count).

So quit kidding yourself. They can absorb the hit. But what really needs to happen is municipal fiber. Even the threat is likely to push prices down.
 
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