GTA 5 is a disaster on the 7970/280X

Yeah, there's a problem with MSAA, but it's certainly not the end of the world. With all the other settings cranked up I don't even have any VRAM (or performance) to spare on MSAA, so I leave it off anyway and just use FXAA. All in all I'm happy with how good it looks and how well it performs on my 7950 (most of the settings turned up, staying at 40+ FPS)
 
Keeping a close eye on this as I want to know what to expect, should I ever switch back to AMD next upgrade. For now, I have no stuttering that I've noticed, but after 90 mins I was no longer allowed to play the game fullscreen or it would instantly crash when launched with a failed D3D_GFX_INT error - bit of googling told me you had to use windowed mode, so I did, and now the game works again. For how long, we'll see - but there are definitely some pretty major bugs with the title so far, so I'd expect problems like this over the next few months until the patches slow down and graphics drivers fully compensate for the game.
 
samuelmorris said:
Keeping a close eye on this as I want to know what to expect, should I ever switch back to AMD next upgrade. For now, I have no stuttering that I've noticed, but after 90 mins I was no longer allowed to play the game fullscreen or it would instantly crash when launched with a failed D3D_GFX_INT error - bit of googling told me you had to use windowed mode, so I did, and now the game works again. For how long, we'll see - but there are definitely some pretty major bugs with the title so far, so I'd expect problems like this over the next few months until the patches slow down and graphics drivers fully compensate for the game.
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The gimped VRAM stuttery mess GTX 970 is just as bad as the low-budget off-brand chinese crap AMD puts out.
Don't worry about Nvidia vs AMD, worry about buying a quality product. In most cases that means Nvidia, but not always.

If I were buying a card today it would either be a $200 960 to hold me over until Pascal, or blow my load on a GTX 980.
AMD is a non-option unless you absolutely must spend less than $200 in which case I suppose the 285 is the best choice since it supports the newest GCN features. Now I've gone off-topic.
 
'gimped' maybe. The 3.5GB vs 4GB is a con I can't say I'm happy about, but it wouldn't stop me buying another one now in the same position. The AMD card didn't work with my monitor. The nvidia card does... sort of. Both are pretty bad but the GTX970 was clearly the better option for me. FWIW, I see no stuttering, anywhere. Being an ex-crossfire user, if you think the GTX970 stutters, you ain't seen nothing :p

If the 290X worked in MST, I'd still be using it, noise or no noise. My GTX970 is one of the cheap Gainward ones and isn't actually a whole lot quieter, even though it's certainly more power efficient. If they would only fix the tile alignment bug in the driver I'd consider the 970 almost perfect. The displayport outputs dropping out and needing a PC reboot every few weeks is extremely frustrating but again, coming from the AMD alternative which meant rebooting the PC several times daily, it's still a marked improvement. If I were using SST I imagine either card would probably be fine for me. The 290X was clearly faster than the 970 so I'd have preferred to stick with that if I could. Having the extra 512MB VRAM for GTA5 wouldn't hurt either ;)
 
Zero issues with my 290, using 4xMSAA, I tried just FX too blah for me... Maybe I will try FX and 2xMSAA for shits and giggles.
 
Yeah by itself - I see little point adding it to MSAA as I normally find MSAA is plenty good enough. I'm not using MSAA in GTA5 at 3840x2160 on a single GTX970 though.
 
You guys not bothered by the FXAA blur? The only post-processing AA I use is SMAA, everything else is either ineffective, or blurs the image to an unacceptable extent. Nothing beats TXAA when it comes to blur though.
 
n=1 said:
You guys not bothered by the FXAA blur? The only post-processing AA I use is SMAA, everything else is either ineffective, or blurs the image to an unacceptable extent.
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this +1000.... I always try to avoid FXAA when possible...
 
Blur does normally bother me, yes - so I tend not to use FXAA. In GTA5 though I just seem to see nothing. Not much blur, but not much reduction in jaggies either...
 
I wouldn't call it a "blur", more like it make things appear soft.
I like it in some games, not in others. I usually inject ultra FXAA + SMAA and avoid MSAA entirely.
 
Yeah, to each their own. You see, I don't like MSAA in modern games because of the demand it puts on the framebuffer, as well as the fact that it does not remove shader aliasing or transparent aliasing. With modern game engines and a huge reliance on transparency for foliage, hair, billboard imposters... Not to mention reflections and surface specularity, none of this is handled by MSAA, yet it is one of the more demanding AA methods.

Older games (DX8 and prior) look great wit it, and you don't have to worry about performance. So there it's fine, but in a modern title? Yeah, to each their own I guess.
 
So now that I have had time to mess around with it, yes I prefer FXAA and 2XMSAA over no FX and FX no MSAA... It just suits the game on my monitor 1440p no stutter or FPS dips anywhere with everything set to very high the game looks amazing and runs amazing.

My 290 reminds me of the 4830 days AMD gave away the farm with that card....
 
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These threads confuse me.

I'm going to go back to playing on my stutter free GTX 970 system...
 
nVidia has a GTA V optimization guide out.

tl;dr Grass quality = #1 performance killer, ultra quality is even more taxing than 8x MSAA. (although arguably I imagine this would be a very localized effect)

Top 4 performance killers:

#1 Grass quality
#2 AA
#3 Extended distance scaling
#4 Reflection quality
 
Extended Distance Scaling is CPU only. But yes it's a killer one.
You should also disable AO since it does nothing but hurt your fps.
 
Pantalaimon said:
So what you're saying is that there's much more ignorant users in the NVDIA users' camp ;)
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nVidia has a larger percentage of the GPU market, so yes by default. I'm sure, relatively speaking, both are close in percentages of their own respective markets. Then again, the answer is still yes. ;)

To OP, I know you've already gotten some flack over your over-exaggeration, but you need to go look at Mortal Kombat X. That is what you'd call a disaster or even a joke. I'm not really sure how it got approved to be released for PCs if I'm being honest. This was a common issue among both nVidia and AMD cards when it came out -> http://i.imgur.com/ispl8L6.jpg aside from the game crashing immediately after starting and missing 15GB of game data.
 
phew!

as the owner of a MSI Lightning 7970 hoping to play GTA5 in the near future, i'm delighted this disaster comment turned out to be something of a drama-queen moment.
 
Goodlookinguy said:
This was a common issue among both nVidia and AMD cards when it came out -> http://i.imgur.com/ispl8L6.jpg aside from the game crashing immediately after starting and missing 15GB of game data.
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Wow hadn't seen that. I just picked MKX up over the weekend. So far I've had no issues with it on my NV or AMD cards (750Ti, 780s, and R9-270s). I'm guessing that was patched before I grabbed my copy, or is it still an ongoing issue?

I know when I installed MKX it was weird because it installed like 2.8GB first, then did like 20 updates until all of the game data was in there.
 
Sodapopjones said:
Zero issues with my 290, using 4xMSAA, I tried just FX too blah for me... Maybe I will try FX and 2xMSAA for shits and giggles.
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Give VSR a try.
I did for the first time last night on my 1080p display, using 2560x1440 VSR and was quite surprised at how little framerate drop there was over 1080p no AA.
Its faster and more detailed (looks higher res) than 4xMSAA and gives a better result when twinned with FXAA to get rid of the remaining crawlies.
I am more than happy with it on my 290x.
 
Kor said:
Your definition of disaster needs to be adjusted.
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R3MF said:
phew!

as the owner of a MSI Lightning 7970 hoping to play GTA5 in the near future, i'm delighted this disaster comment turned out to be something of a drama-queen moment.
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Rotfl!

That's quite the understatement there... ;)
 
DraginDime said:
Wow hadn't seen that. I just picked MKX up over the weekend. So far I've had no issues with it on my NV or AMD cards (750Ti, 780s, and R9-270s). I'm guessing that was patched before I grabbed my copy, or is it still an ongoing issue?.
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It looks like they didn't patch it out yet, although I was not having issues with that to begin with, my sibling and others with older cards were. My 290X doesn't have that issue. The game still has ongoing issues that haven't been patched yet. It is a very buggy and unstable port at the moment. Loss of save files, inconsistent FPS dips, more than one memory leak (causing the game to greatly slow down over time), unstable online play (high latency, crashes, and disconnects are frequently reported), and freezes (+long load times), are just to name a few problems. It looks like another patch is being pushed through soon, so maybe more fixes. Hopefully they are getting closer to fixing it, because this has been a true disaster for that release.

Edit: Post on the steam forums with a list of issues http://steamcommunity.com/app/307780/discussions/0/618459297890361704/
 
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Nenu said:
Give VSR a try.
I did for the first time last night on my 1080p display, using 2560x1440 VSR and was quite surprised at how little framerate drop there was over 1080p no AA.
Its faster and more detailed (looks higher res) than 4xMSAA and gives a better result when twinned with FXAA to get rid of the remaining crawlies.
I am more than happy with it on my 290x.
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Thanks, I might go ahead and play around with that, I wound up pulling MSAA all together, it really wasn't worth dipping in the 40fps range...

**Edit Just tried it.

Thanks for the suggestion at 3200x1800 its not affecting performance at all....
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Just tossing my hat into this discussion - 7970 running with MSAA edge-detect, vsync, and no problems. To be fair I am not monitoring fps but it is smooth and very playable. I do see the 'box of artifacts' in the bottom right, but its not always there and i pretty much zoned it out when it is - not a factor. I haven't tried FSAA or other AA modes.

One thing to mention - I did upgrade to AMD's latest driver beta. I was having problems with 14.12 (official stable) in overall system stability (not GTA V) and this solved that problem - seems GTA might have benefited also.
 
g-money said:
Just tossing my hat into this discussion - 7970 running with MSAA edge-detect, vsync, and no problems. To be fair I am not monitoring fps but it is smooth and very playable. I do see the 'box of artifacts' in the bottom right, but its not always there and i pretty much zoned it out when it is - not a factor. I haven't tried FSAA or other AA modes.

One thing to mention - I did upgrade to AMD's latest driver beta. I was having problems with 14.12 (official stable) in overall system stability (not GTA V) and this solved that problem - seems GTA might have benefited also.
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The artifacting box in the right corner is caused by using MSAA combined with higher PostFX settings. Disable one or the other and it goes away.
RadeonPro can be fixed by changing the Compatibility settings, also fixes SweetFX. Standalone SweetFX works fine with some of the new dll's.

Catalyst 15.4 is the GTA 5 driver so you should be using that one in the first place...
No issues with performance.
 
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