1366 x58 Xeon Enthusiast overclocks club

Okay. Anyone have any experience with the P6T WS Professional board?

Hitting a snag that the BIOS won't let me change the multiplier on my i7 970. Even if full manual mode, multiplier is set to AUTO and can't be changed.
 
I don't have that motherboard, but have you tried resetting your CMOS and all that jazz? Reading through the thread, a lot of people had to reset and re-flash their BIOS to get things to work properly.
 
Someone listed a few x5670's for $50 buy it now. I bought them out, I'll see how they do. Hope they aren't too scratched up. :)
 
Hazard said:
Those were the ES ones, right? I saw those and decided to skip them.
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Oh, I guess they were, maybe one will be better than the one I have and I can sell my current. How are they able to sell those without getting in trouble? :\
 
tbob22 said:
Oh, I guess they were, maybe one will be better than the one I have and I can sell my current. How are they able to sell those without getting in trouble? :\
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At $50, it's a good deal even if they don't oc as welk as the regular ones.
 
Hazard said:
At $50, it's a good deal even if they don't oc as welk as the regular ones.
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Yeah. I tried cancelling, but they said it already shipped. I should have looked a little closer at the title and realized what ES meant. Oh well, more x5670's isn't a bad thing. :D
 
tbob22 said:
Yeah. I tried cancelling, but they said it already shipped. I should have looked a little closer at the title and realized what ES meant. Oh well, more x5670's isn't a bad thing. :D
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Considering the low price it might be worth deliding, Deimos has a very nice guide of the first page
 
Apparently when I originally installed my Nepton 140XL, I didn't tighten the screws enough and the block didn't have enough pressure against the CPU. I tightened it down and my temperatures dropped a few degrees on each core. It almost makes me want to take out one of my kits and overclock a little more. Almost ...
 
chessmyantidrug said:
Apparently when I originally installed my Nepton 140XL, I didn't tighten the screws enough and the block didn't have enough pressure against the CPU. I tightened it down and my temperatures dropped a few degrees on each core. It almost makes me want to take out one of my kits and overclock a little more. Almost ...
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I thought your temps seemed a little high for your cooler
 
Yeah, they were. I only finger tightened the nuts/screws/whatever they are. I tightened them down all the way after I reseated and saw better temperatures. I kind of want to reseat with AS5 and see if there's any difference since my temperatures under load were largely unchanged after using GC-Extreme with my TRUE.
 
I've been on a stock i7-920 since April '09. Been contemplating a new build from scratch, but then I ran across this thread, and have been tempted to stretch my 1366 a bit further.

So, questions (I've been in and out of this thread a few times, so I have a general inkling as to the answers, but I'm looking for confirmation/schooling):
  1. Currently on a Gigabyte EX58-UD5; I see some comments about early rev Gigabyte boards not supporting the Xeon's. Comments in February seem to indicate the UD5 specifically being good to go. Am I missing anything on that front?
  2. Assuming that I can achieve a decent clock on an X56xx, (stability first and foremost), where along the curve would that fall compared to...
    a. My existing i7-920 (~30-40% more grunt?)
    b. A theoretical i7-4770K (approx. on par?)
  3. Given that I don't do much, if any, encoding (or other tasks I traditionally associate with being CPU-bound), spending most time on PC either playing games or in a browser, would I see any real-world benefit from pairing a modern GPU (let's say, GTX970) with the Xeon over just sticking with my 920 and an equivalent card?
 
Is your i7-920 overclocked? You say it's stock then want us to compare how one of these Xeons might overclock in comparison. If you have overclocked your i7-920, then I would anticipate a Xeon overclocking slightly better. I was running an i7-930 overclocked from 2.8GHz to 3.8GHz for a 35.7% overclock; my X5670 is overclocked from 2.93GHz to 4.32GHz for a 47.6% overclock. Keep in mind that every processor and every motherboard is different. What other people might be able to achieve with the same motherboard and processor is not necessarily what you'll be able to achieve.

If you plan on upgrading your video card anyway, I would personally do that first. Unless, like me, you're waiting for AMD's next generation of video cards to release for a few more options and a better market.

I personally haven't noticed much difference performance-wise, even with more cores/threads and a higher clock speed. The only game I really play is League of Legends and I don't do anything CPU-intensive. I bought my Xeon because it was only $100 and I didn't see the point in not making the purchase at that price. Chances are you would only notice the difference in benchmarks.
 
Geoffrey4283 said:
I've been on a stock i7-920 since April '09. Been contemplating a new build from scratch, but then I ran across this thread, and have been tempted to stretch my 1366 a bit further.

So, questions (I've been in and out of this thread a few times, so I have a general inkling as to the answers, but I'm looking for confirmation/schooling):
  1. Currently on a Gigabyte EX58-UD5; I see some comments about early rev Gigabyte boards not supporting the Xeon's. Comments in February seem to indicate the UD5 specifically being good to go. Am I missing anything on that front?
  2. Assuming that I can achieve a decent clock on an X56xx, (stability first and foremost), where along the curve would that fall compared to...
    a. My existing i7-920 (~30-40% more grunt?)
    b. A theoretical i7-4770K (approx. on par?)
  3. Given that I don't do much, if any, encoding (or other tasks I traditionally associate with being CPU-bound), spending most time on PC either playing games or in a browser, would I see any real-world benefit from pairing a modern GPU (let's say, GTX970) with the Xeon over just sticking with my 920 and an equivalent card?
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I can try to help on some of your questions. The cpu will help in highly multi threaded games the most like bf4 and or hardline. it will help your pc be able to run background tasks while you play what ever game with pretty much zero loss since you basically have 4 additional cores able to work in the background. over time games should become more and more coded to make use of the extra cores but sadly this is not the case yet as a hole. If the xeon allowed you a much higher clock speed then it would help in all games but without knowing how your board will act, its impossible to know.

Unless a person actually owns your board its hard to say just how well it will overclock, and if you run into issue there, it could all be for nothing. Bright side there easy to resell if if doesn't work well in your board.

Obviously the new card will help in all games depending on what your current card is.
 
Geoffrey4283 said:
I've been on a stock i7-920 since April '09. Been contemplating a new build from scratch, but then I ran across this thread, and have been tempted to stretch my 1366 a bit further.

So, questions (I've been in and out of this thread a few times, so I have a general inkling as to the answers, but I'm looking for confirmation/schooling):
  1. Currently on a Gigabyte EX58-UD5; I see some comments about early rev Gigabyte boards not supporting the Xeon's. Comments in February seem to indicate the UD5 specifically being good to go. Am I missing anything on that front?
  2. Assuming that I can achieve a decent clock on an X56xx, (stability first and foremost), where along the curve would that fall compared to...
    a. My existing i7-920 (~30-40% more grunt?)
    b. A theoretical i7-4770K (approx. on par?)
  3. Given that I don't do much, if any, encoding (or other tasks I traditionally associate with being CPU-bound), spending most time on PC either playing games or in a browser, would I see any real-world benefit from pairing a modern GPU (let's say, GTX970) with the Xeon over just sticking with my 920 and an equivalent card?
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As mentioned in this post, I have an EX58-UD5 that runs an X5675 with the FK BIOS. It's either a revision 1.6 or 1.7 board (the older ones being 1.0 and 1.1). The BIOSes listed on the Gigabyte site for the 1.0 and 1.1 does say they support 6 core CPUs so they may still work for with the Xeon 3600/5600 series.

As for performance, I don't have any gaming benchmarks to compare but I did note that when I was compressing 720p video, my i7 920 @ stock would top off around 65 fps while the X5675 @ stock was going just over 100 fps. With that said, a new GPU would most definitely give you a boost in gaming even on an old platform with PCI-Express 2.0.

I won't have time to do any gaming comparisons with the X5675 any time soon but will post if and when I do. The next thing I need to do with do is to get a closed loop water cooler installed on my wife's toasty R9 290.
 
Geoffrey4283 said:
I've been on a stock i7-920 since April '09. Been contemplating a new build from scratch, but then I ran across this thread, and have been tempted to stretch my 1366 a bit further.

So, questions (I've been in and out of this thread a few times, so I have a general inkling as to the answers, but I'm looking for confirmation/schooling):
  1. Currently on a Gigabyte EX58-UD5; I see some comments about early rev Gigabyte boards not supporting the Xeon's. Comments in February seem to indicate the UD5 specifically being good to go. Am I missing anything on that front?
  2. Assuming that I can achieve a decent clock on an X56xx, (stability first and foremost), where along the curve would that fall compared to...
    a. My existing i7-920 (~30-40% more grunt?)
    b. A theoretical i7-4770K (approx. on par?)
  3. Given that I don't do much, if any, encoding (or other tasks I traditionally associate with being CPU-bound), spending most time on PC either playing games or in a browser, would I see any real-world benefit from pairing a modern GPU (let's say, GTX970) with the Xeon over just sticking with my 920 and an equivalent card?
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A Xeon should overclock slightly better (200-400 MHz more judging by most posts here) and obviously has 50% more cores but if your i7-920 isn't overclocked there might not be much point upgrading. If you have a decent cooler, just overclock your i7-920 - you can get a ~50% improvement in performance just by doing that.
 
So, I just got my x5670 & installed it. At stock speeds my cpu temp is 26C, core temps around 38C. I started with a modest oc, bumping it up to a stable 3.6, but my temps idled at 46C, cores around 58C. Under stress it jumped to core temps of 78C+. Is this normal? Do I need to let the TIM cure in? I am using Ceramique 2.
 
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you probably just don't have any c-states turned on is why your idle temp is in 40s.....your load temp is fine and may not clime much higher as you reach 4ghz...especially if you don't add any more voltage
 
Geoffrey4283 said:
I've been on a stock i7-920 since April '09. Been contemplating a new build from scratch, but then I ran across this thread, and have been tempted to stretch my 1366 a bit further.

So, questions (I've been in and out of this thread a few times, so I have a general inkling as to the answers, but I'm looking for confirmation/schooling):
  1. Currently on a Gigabyte EX58-UD5; I see some comments about early rev Gigabyte boards not supporting the Xeon's. Comments in February seem to indicate the UD5 specifically being good to go. Am I missing anything on that front?
  2. Assuming that I can achieve a decent clock on an X56xx, (stability first and foremost), where along the curve would that fall compared to...
    a. My existing i7-920 (~30-40% more grunt?)
    b. A theoretical i7-4770K (approx. on par?)
  3. Given that I don't do much, if any, encoding (or other tasks I traditionally associate with being CPU-bound), spending most time on PC either playing games or in a browser, would I see any real-world benefit from pairing a modern GPU (let's say, GTX970) with the Xeon over just sticking with my 920 and an equivalent card?
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You ask how these compare to the 4770k......
If you overclock the westmereEP to 4ghz or over, it does very well.

The IPC of haswell is stronger that westmere, but its not what you might think. At 4.2ghz with 4.4 turbo, I have compared many benchmarks. For the most part, it is on par or faster than the 4770k stock. My neighbor has a 4770k that is mildly overclocked on the stock cooler, my 4.2-4.4ghz westmere wins more benchmarks than it looses. At stock, it would be worse.

There are reasons to get a modern platform, such as power consumption and pcie3. But using a 980, I have very comparable frame rates in the game reviews on the Internet. Actually, I am surprised by this. Games like ac unity, I get the same frame rates as websites using haswells, even OC. In dragon age inquisition, websites get 80fps with the 980, I get 78.6. That is one I checked very recently and the performance is so close that it could just be my non-impressive ram. For the 980 and the games I have checked, pcie isn't a drawback. I have a very large game library and in every case I have crossed referenced, the performance is very solid.

As for non gaming task, most benchmarks these days are multithreaded.
So in most of them, the westmereEP dominates the quad core/8 thread haswell. The one advantage that the westmere can't touch is haswells extended instruction set. There isn't much that takes advantage of avx2 in the real world but there is no comparison, haswell will walk all over these Xeons in the rare case an app uses this instruction set.

, my advice is to get you an Xeon and don't look back
 
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I picked up a cheap Asrock Extreme and another 24gb of Viper 3 for a second build for video work. I doubt the Asrock will overclock as well as the P6T boards considering it only has 8 phases, but it was nearly half the price of what I paid for the Deluxe V2.

Board prices seem to keep rising, P6T boards are now regularly going for over $200.. I got my Deluxe v2 a few months ago for about $100 after selling the 920 that was included.
 
There is an Asus Rampage3 Formula for 130 on Craigslist near me. I am tempted to pick it up.
 
Bill1024 said:
There is an Asus Rampage3 Formula for 130 on Craigslist near me. I am tempted to pick it up.
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Seems like a good deal as long as it isn't damaged or something. Could make a quick $100 on it if you don't end up using it. :)
 
tbob22 said:
I picked up a cheap Asrock Extreme and another 24gb of Viper 3 for a second build for video work. I doubt the Asrock will overclock as well as the P6T boards considering it only has 8 phases, but it was nearly half the price of what I paid for the Deluxe V2.

Board prices seem to keep rising, P6T boards are now regularly going for over $200.. I got my Deluxe v2 a few months ago for about $100 after selling the 920 that was included.
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I have a ud3r rev 1.6
I think it has got less phases than that and i have been able to run decent enough overclocks, I settled for this mild daily driver speed for the low temps and it allows me to keep all my power savings features on, from dynamic voltage with all cstates enabled and speed step. But I have ran fully stable at higher speeds. It just takes too much voltage for 4.6ghz but I can do all cores and threads 4.4ghz at 1.335 vcore. 1.35v gets me about 4.5ghz.

I am interested in how well the asrock extreme does. So keep us updated please.

What chip are you planning on picking up for it?
 
Ocre said:
I have a ud3r rev 1.6
I think it has got less phases than that and i have been able to run decent enough overclocks, I settled for this mild daily driver speed for the low temps and it allows me to keep all my power savings features on, from dynamic voltage with all cstates enabled and speed step. But I have ran fully stable at higher speeds. It just takes too much voltage for 4.6ghz but I can do all cores and threads 4.4ghz at 1.335 vcore. 1.35v gets me about 4.5ghz.

I am interested in how well the asrock extreme does. So keep us updated please.

What chip are you planning on picking up for it?
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I think your board has 10 phases, so it is probably a bit better than the Asrock.

I have two x5670's on the way and I picked up another x5670 a while ago that looked like a good batch, so I'll have a total of four 5670's. I'm sure one will be decent. :D
 
That's awesome.

I am not sure what I want to do with my other ud3r/i7 920 combo. I keep thinking I want to get an x5690 or w3690. But then I think, surely they might be fun but how much more will they be able to overclock stable. Couldn't be too much higher.

So that make me think about selling the combo on eBay and picking up a 4790k or something. But then I think.... Its so late into the haswell lifespan, It is just about the end of the platform. But skylake, we know so little about it......like when or what it might really bring to the table. And Broadwell is a bust for the high end. That is just sad.

So its got me running in loops. By they time skylake launches, the x58 will probably loose a lot of value. But haswell really doesn't give me much to be excited over..........
Decisions, decisions

I guess, at least my PC is fine and there is no need to rush to do anything right now. Broadwell really let me down. I think that is what is wrong with me
 
Ocre said:
That's awesome.

I am not sure what I want to do with my other ud3r/i7 920 combo. I keep thinking I want to get an x5690 or w3690. But then I think, surely they might be fun but how much more will they be able to overclock stable. Couldn't be too much higher.

So that make me think about selling the combo on eBay and picking up a 4790k or something. But then I think.... Its so late into the haswell lifespan, It is just about the end of the platform. But skylake, we know so little about it......like when or what it might really bring to the table. And Broadwell is a bust for the high end. That is just sad.

So its got me running in loops. By they time skylake launches, the x58 will probably loose a lot of value. But haswell really doesn't give me much to be excited over..........
Decisions, decisions

I guess, at least my PC is fine and there is no need to rush to do anything right now. Broadwell really let me down. I think that is what is wrong with me
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Yeah, it's a tough one. I almost picked up a 4790k combo from microcenter, but then I found this thread and for my primary uses the overclocked x5670 runs circles around a overclocked 4790k :D.

The 5820k was tempting, but DDR4 is still way too expensive. I'll be sticking with x58 until something comes along that seems like a good value. A new gen 8 core under $300 and 32gb of DDR4 under $200 would be nice. ;)
 
Ocre said:
That's awesome.

I am not sure what I want to do with my other ud3r/i7 920 combo. I keep thinking I want to get an x5690 or w3690. But then I think, surely they might be fun but how much more will they be able to overclock stable. Couldn't be too much higher.

So that make me think about selling the combo on eBay and picking up a 4790k or something. But then I think.... Its so late into the haswell lifespan, It is just about the end of the platform. But skylake, we know so little about it......like when or what it might really bring to the table. And Broadwell is a bust for the high end. That is just sad.

So its got me running in loops. By they time skylake launches, the x58 will probably loose a lot of value. But haswell really doesn't give me much to be excited over..........
Decisions, decisions

I guess, at least my PC is fine and there is no need to rush to do anything right now. Broadwell really let me down. I think that is what is wrong with me
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Well if your going to sell your 920 isnt worth much, all the value is in the board.
 
True, I would assume an i7-920 would fetch maybe $10 to $15. It's honestly more valuable to you as a backup. I considered trying to sell my i7-930, but there's no market for it.

Never mind, apparently i7-920s are going for $40+ on eBay. It might be worth posting it on there if you can get that much.
 
Hi folks. My first post here. I was Googling to see if the x5690 would run on my Gigabyte GA-EX58-Extreme mb but couldn't find any info. So I just decided to take a chance and bought one from EBay.
I was glad that it does run and I am able to oc it to 4.2GHz without messing around with the votages. Temps were about 70°C while running Prime 95. I did get it to run at 4.6GHz, again without manually adjusting voltages. But got blue screen when running Prime95. The error code 0x3B (increase Vcore). Just thought I put this out there in case anyone was thinking about going this route.
 
I considered getting an X5690, I just didn't see the point in spending twice as much for a higher multiplier. My Sabertooth is a very reliable board, but not exactly designed for extreme overclocking. I'm quite content with the 4.32GHz I achieved on my X5670.
 
chessmyantidrug said:
True, I would assume an i7-920 would fetch maybe $10 to $15. It's honestly more valuable to you as a backup. I considered trying to sell my i7-930, but there's no market for it.

Never mind, apparently i7-920s are going for $40+ on eBay. It might be worth posting it on there if you can get that much.
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Yeah I got $50 out of mine. If listed right $45+ is possible.
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Hi folks. My first post here. I was Googling to see if the x5690 would run on my Gigabyte GA-EX58-Extreme mb but couldn't find any info. So I just decided to take a chance and bought one from EBay.
I was glad that it does run and I am able to oc it to 4.2GHz without messing around with the votages. Temps were about 70°C while running Prime 95. I did get it to run at 4.6GHz, again without manually adjusting voltages. But got blue screen when running Prime95. The error code 0x3B (increase Vcore). Just thought I put this out there in case anyone was thinking about going this route.
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Do you have your vcore on auto? It would be pretty awesome if that was at stock voltage (usually around 1.2v)
 
lol i would love to have a x5690....just cant afford one....have fun with it:)
 
NothingBetterToDo said:
Hi folks. My first post here. I was Googling to see if the x5690 would run on my Gigabyte GA-EX58-Extreme mb but couldn't find any info. So I just decided to take a chance and bought one from EBay.
I was glad that it does run and I am able to oc it to 4.2GHz without messing around with the votages. Temps were about 70°C while running Prime 95. I did get it to run at 4.6GHz, again without manually adjusting voltages. But got blue screen when running Prime95. The error code 0x3B (increase Vcore). Just thought I put this out there in case anyone was thinking about going this route.
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What is your stock voltage under load?

When you overclocked, did you leave everything on Auto or did you specifically select "normal" in the bios settings?

Do you have speedstep, turbo, and Cstates on?
 
4200mhz with auto voltage is pretty sweet as your day in day out power usage and heat will be far less than most of us. very nice;) Not saying you will see the difference on your power bill but i bet a power outlet monitor would see the difference i bet
 
primetime said:
4200mhz with auto voltage is pretty sweet as your day in day out power usage and heat will be far less than most of us. very nice;) Not saying you will see the difference on your power bill but i bet a power outlet monitor would see the difference i bet
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Depending on the board it could pump up the voltage to 1.4v+ on auto when overclocking, I'm not brave enough to try it with high OC's. :)
 
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