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Elon Musk: Driving Cars Will Eventually Be Outlawed
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I'm not going to lie, I'd love to see it, a 200kph speed limit with self driving cars would be awesome.
There's going to be some hilarious growing pains when it really starts to happen though.
Plus my Power Wagon could be difficult to retrofit. It took me long enough to put a proper power train in it.
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If Elon Musk's idea of outlawing driving cars does come to fruition then there are going to be a shit-ton of people with old classics unable to take there labors of love to car shows and such. I would imagine Elon will be getting a lot of hate mail very soon...
Smells like economic collapse for the US. You could do it in cities, should do it even.
Otherwise not happening unless it's part of rebuilding after a country wide disaster.
People like driving. When your vehicle don't suck and you don't live in some urban shithole, driving
is very enjoyable. And you really don't want a large portion of the type of folks that are "into" cars to have
a lot of free time and money on their hands.
We always referred to cars at two-ton guided missiles when I was a kid. It amazes me more nutjobs don't plow through crowds of people, way easier than trying to shoot em. I'm glad, but it amazes me.
Maybe if we get rid of enough guns it'll get more popular.
Otherwise not happening unless it's part of rebuilding after a country wide disaster.
People like driving. When your vehicle don't suck and you don't live in some urban shithole, driving
is very enjoyable. And you really don't want a large portion of the type of folks that are "into" cars to have
a lot of free time and money on their hands.
We always referred to cars at two-ton guided missiles when I was a kid. It amazes me more nutjobs don't plow through crowds of people, way easier than trying to shoot em. I'm glad, but it amazes me.
Maybe if we get rid of enough guns it'll get more popular.
Automated cars will be/are programmed by humans. So, they too will have human error built into them. Kind of like the Teslas that combusted...
I can't imagine a computer that is able to account for all variables of the vehicle and environment, especially with today's technology. It reminds me of these scientists that think they can predict climate 20 years out when we can't accurately predict tomorrow's weather.
Unless we get cars on tracks, I don't think this automated vehicle thing is going to turn out too well. Personally, I'd rather drive with a bunch of a-hole humans than today's computers.
I can't imagine a computer that is able to account for all variables of the vehicle and environment, especially with today's technology. It reminds me of these scientists that think they can predict climate 20 years out when we can't accurately predict tomorrow's weather.
Unless we get cars on tracks, I don't think this automated vehicle thing is going to turn out too well. Personally, I'd rather drive with a bunch of a-hole humans than today's computers.
You think this guy is out of touch you should read some of the stuff people say in bicyclist forums about people who drive instead of bike. The Religious Left hates cars, plain and simple regardless of whether or not they drive themselves. Much like how the Religious Right often blames the teaching of evolution in "the moral decline of society". The Religious Left blames the car for the decline of the Great American City.....that never really existed.
One Top Gear episode asked a question about self driving cars. Who decides who gets to live or die when you are about to get into a no good situation? When your self driving car "sees" that your about to get into an accident possibly getting you killed, will it swerve to protect you but risk getting pedestrians on the side of the road killed, or will it decide to kill you to save the pedestrians? Who decides this...? I thought this was interesting.
Driving cars will not be outlawed ANYTIME soon. We don't even have cars that drive themselves reliably yet.
It also makes no sense to outlaw driving cars. Vintage/Classic cards will still be around in 100 years. Same with auto racing such as nascar, f1, etc.
Perhaps 300-400 years from now will something like this make it into the rule books. I'm just glad I won't be around to witness how wimpy and pathetic people will have become by then.
It also makes no sense to outlaw driving cars. Vintage/Classic cards will still be around in 100 years. Same with auto racing such as nascar, f1, etc.
Perhaps 300-400 years from now will something like this make it into the rule books. I'm just glad I won't be around to witness how wimpy and pathetic people will have become by then.
Agreed!
There are quite a number of interesting moral-ish quandries that sci-fi has been toying with as a topic for a lot of years now. Asimovs three laws and so forth. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.
I think people will find a way to screw anything up though. Remember that scene in I, Robot where will smith overrides the autocar?
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I do not believe we will need to outlaw driving cars, when we get to the point that cars are good enough to drive for use reliably most people wouldn't bother wasting their time driving when you could just sit back and surf the web on your phone on the way to work, just doesn't make sense. Driving cars would become like owning a gun you are free to do it, but most people wont and that will make the roads safe enough with the automation that the few people who do drive really aren't much of a problem.
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Ideally, everyone will have an identification chip providing information in real-time that the vehicle can access by that point, and can determine personal worth to society. So if you are a janitor and the pedestrian is a neurosurgeon.. looks like a fatal collision is in your near future
All joking aside.. how is that really any different than now.. except by default people would choose to take out the unknown strangers on the sidewalk than risk their own lives, basically saying that their life is more important than someone else?
Ideally, everyone will have an identification chip providing information in real-time that the vehicle can access by that point, and can determine personal worth to society. So if you are a janitor and the pedestrian is a neurosurgeon.. looks like a fatal collision is in your near future
The next step would be that the cars will actively take out people with negative societal net worth.
Musk also believes that the fairy Godmother is going to come along and wave a magic wand and turn a stupid, dead, brainless counting machine/abacus (otherwise known as a computer) into a sentient being capable of "thinking for itself" (what Musk thinks is "AI.") He's nuts, of course--he has completely mythologized the computer--thanks, guy. Just what we need these days--*more* superstition pretending to be "science."
Self-driving cars are about as close as superluminal travel, I predict. Really and truly, I expect that governments will be providing driver's-licenses to dogs and cats before self-driving cars will become the norm. People are suckers for this kind of technocrap garbage, imo. I love science fiction, myself, but these guys are getting it all mixed up with reality, and that cannot be a good thing...
Self-driving cars are about as close as superluminal travel, I predict. Really and truly, I expect that governments will be providing driver's-licenses to dogs and cats before self-driving cars will become the norm. People are suckers for this kind of technocrap garbage, imo. I love science fiction, myself, but these guys are getting it all mixed up with reality, and that cannot be a good thing...
I am all for high technology society, and using technology to its fullest to add convenience and safety to our lives. And I'm actually a huge fan of Elon Musk, the guy has tons of FU money and he actually does something with it.
I do however cringe at this kind of tech-utopian b/s. People are people, lets not forget that. Although the landscape with which we surround ourselves has obviously changed greatly even over the last few hundred years, let alone since recorded history, our brains haven't fundamentally changed that much. We still like owning things, we still like to (at least feel) as though we are in control. I'm all for cars that can detect if there is a car next to me, or keep pace with the car ahead while on cruise control. Hell, if I've had a good time at a bar and don't want to risk any of that it'd be cool to have a car that could drive you home itself and wake you when you get there. As soon as you take away the option though of controlling the vehicle that's where my problem is.
Just as in computing, don't prevent people from getting under the hood and tinkering and bending things to their will if they want to. If someone wants it easy-peasy and doesn't want to think about it, that's fine, but don't prevent those who are truly enthusiastic from being able to control they're own experience.
Rant over.
I do however cringe at this kind of tech-utopian b/s. People are people, lets not forget that. Although the landscape with which we surround ourselves has obviously changed greatly even over the last few hundred years, let alone since recorded history, our brains haven't fundamentally changed that much. We still like owning things, we still like to (at least feel) as though we are in control. I'm all for cars that can detect if there is a car next to me, or keep pace with the car ahead while on cruise control. Hell, if I've had a good time at a bar and don't want to risk any of that it'd be cool to have a car that could drive you home itself and wake you when you get there. As soon as you take away the option though of controlling the vehicle that's where my problem is.
Just as in computing, don't prevent people from getting under the hood and tinkering and bending things to their will if they want to. If someone wants it easy-peasy and doesn't want to think about it, that's fine, but don't prevent those who are truly enthusiastic from being able to control they're own experience.
Rant over.
They don't, either of them.
Which is another fine reason it'll never happen and he's a rich nutcase. A very gifted, brilliant, interesting, talented, lucky, admired, nutcase.
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Yeah, and if humans were meant to fly they'd have wings.
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What is the problem with motorcycles? They can be detected by current self-driving cars perfectly well.
What customer modifications are you referring too? And why do you think they would present a problem?
Two hours out would be halfway across a lot of states. There may be a huge exodus from suburbia to the country.
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I don't see manually driven cars being outlawed in our life, it is going to take some time before most cars are replaced by these self driving car. But I do think we'll see a fully capable self driving car within the next couple decades or so.
I would certainly love to own one. I hate driving in the cities especially during peak hours.
I would certainly love to own one. I hate driving in the cities especially during peak hours.
There's the problem you've identified. This alleviates the pain in driving enviro-luddites have so carefully put in place. This will lead to more miles driven.
Oh the horror.
well said
I think the bike thing was if self driving cars become the requirement, the assumption is that it'd not be safe to have human-controlled vehicles on the same roads. I don't think it would be a problem with speed limited semi-auto cars though.
The modification bit is as in modifying vehicles which could easily interfere with the baselines the computer controls are working from. Even now we've had cases where changing tire diameter or braking characteristics cause problems with abs and/or traction control.
Self driving cars would by their nature become a less personal thing, and modification of vehicles in many cultures has a long history of being a form of self expression and bordering on if not in fact art. That seems at first glance to be going away with auto-cars.
It's an unpleasant prospect to a large number of people.