Considering either HP ENVY 32", or another 27" IPS

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A few years ago I snagged one of the Yamakasi Q270's. The less-than-TN response time has never been a problem for me. I never even adjusted anything other than brightness. It just looked great as-is. I love it, but lately I've been looking to replace it with something else due to its lack of inputs/scaler and its rickety VESA mount.

I'd be using it for a little of everything: Watching videos, web browsing/office work, programming, gaming (mostly Minecraft and Starcraft II).

I noticed the 32-inch HP ENVY is on sale for $400. It's a little more than I wanted to spend, but looks like a pretty nice deal for a QHD monitor of that size, especially since most of the reviews I've seen are positive. I was tempted to snag one, but I wondered how picture quality would compare. I'm not really a monitor connoisseur, but since I took the plunge and got a Korean IPS panel, I swore never to return to TN again. (Whites are so white now!) So I'm wondering how the ENVY's AMVA+ panel fares in comparison to the various 27" IPS panels that have been so great?

Barring that, I'm also wondering about which of the multi-input 27" IPS monitors have good, secure VESA mounts? In addition to having to take apart the monitor to use the VESA mounting holes, the Q270's mounting holes aren't particularly sturdy; they're just holes in the back piece of plastic housing. Lightly tapping the monitor causes it to wobble for several seconds, and I always worry that one of these days an earthquake will strike, crack apart the back piece of plastic and send my lovely panel crashing to its doom. Do any of the Korean IPS's have solid mounting holes that securely attach to the inner frame of the monitor or are they all pretty much like the Q270?
 
well, an earthquake will strike, but most of us do not purchase mid end monitors considering earthquake resistance.:)

about the envy 32. for your usage scenario the envy will be an upgrade in Watching videos, web browsing/office work, programming. gaming in Minecraft and Starcraft II will also be an upgrade. all of this thanks to contrast 5 times greater and real blacks.:cool:

it will not be an upgrade in first person shooters.:( but you do not play these anyway.;)
 
I looked at the Envy, but I'm worried about PWM. If you can't notice strobing from a PWM panel, then by all means get it at that price.
 
geok1ng said:
well, an earthquake will strike, but most of us do not purchase mid end monitors considering earthquake resistance.:)

about the envy 32. for your usage scenario the envy will be an upgrade in Watching videos, web browsing/office work, programming. gaming in Minecraft and Starcraft II will also be an upgrade. all of this thanks to contrast 5 times greater and real blacks.:cool:

it will not be an upgrade in first person shooters.:( but you do not play these anyway.;)
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Is the lag/ghosting really that bad for fast motion?
 
NervousEnergy said:
Is the lag/ghosting really that bad for fast motion?
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http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_bl3200pt.htm

there is a direct compariuson between the BL3200PT, which uses the same panel as the HP envy, and 2 koreans 27" IPS monitors.
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I would say that pixel behavior would about as good/ as bad as your old monitor.
 
How bad is the PWM on these? Is PWM common in other panels? Before I got the 27" IPS, I just used a 22" TN that I'd gotten on sale in 2008. Would it have likely used PWM? Do the Yamakasi's use PWM? I don't know that I've ever seen the effect, so I'm not sure if it would bother me or not.
 
We don't know the exact frequency, but it likely has a 240hz PWM frequency which is the most common. Your TN likely uses CCFL back-lighting which is not affected in the same way, and the Yamakasi Q270 is PWM free. The BenQ BL3200PT is PWM free and does not suffer from obvious overshoot ghosting unlike the Acer B326HK.

Best 27" 1440p Monitors.
 
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I would go for the IPS. I have the 32" Samsung and kind of regret it. The blacks aren't great and this panel (gone through 4 of them) has problems with vertical lines showing down the picture. The image washes out off center. At least you don't have to deal with backlight bleed. The PWM is a non issue for me as i'm not sensitive to it, or maybe because i don't game for more than 2 or 3 hours at a time on my desktop. 32" is a great size but even with my big Ikea Galant desk, slightly too big.

There really is a surprisingly small difference between the black level on one of these and the black level of a decent IPS monitor. It's basically 1000:1 contrast ratio vs 2500:1 contrast ratio.You aren't getting anything close to "true" black with either one, but you can fool your eyes with some of those stick on bias lights. You'll need at least 5-6000:1 contrast ratio for that inky black look.

Basically both screen techs suck. Wish i could get something like plasma on my monitor.
 
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How are the VESA mounting holes on the Crossover 2730MD? On my current monitor, the screws just attach to the plastic back panel, which allows a fair bit of flex and jiggling if the monitor gets bumped on either side.
 
If you like playing any sort of FPS games or anything aiming with a mouse I would avoid the large VA screens because of the input lag (also more blur on the VA screens)
 
Anyone have any word on the mounting holes on the 2730MD? (The ENVY goes off sale today, so I kinda want to decide one way or the other.) Thanks for all the info thus far.
 
Nicholars said:
If you like playing any sort of FPS games or anything aiming with a mouse I would avoid the large VA screens because of the input lag (also more blur on the VA screens)
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what is the use of posting a table of pixel transitions times if people are incapable of extracting data of it?

The BL3200PT has minimum and average transitions FASTER than both the Achieva Zero G and the Qnix Q2710, but the highest transition times are slower, hence i said that the BL3200PT is as good/ as bad as those koreans IPS.

About lag, the BL3200Pt is on par with the koreans:

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geok1ng said:
what is the use of posting a table of pixel transitions times if people are incapable of extracting data of it?

The BL3200PT has minimum and average transitions FASTER than both the Achieva Zero G and the Qnix Q2710, but the highest transition times are slower, hence i said that the BL3200PT is as good/ as bad as those koreans IPS.

About lag, the BL3200Pt is on par with the koreans:

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Its not true though what you just said.. The lag is not the same for a start the single input korean screens have next to 0 input lag... Also the average response time does not account for some transitions on VA which are very slow and obviously blurry... I like VA I think it is best due to contrast ratio but I am just pointing out some facts... I would buy one if they were not so laggy. The overall level of blur and input lag will be lower / less noticeable on the IPS screens, contrast ratio and white glow significantly better on VA.
 
Nicholars said:
Its not true though what you just said.. The lag is not the same for a start the single input korean screens have next to 0 input lag... Also the average response time does not account for some transitions on VA which are very slow and obviously blurry... I like VA I think it is best due to contrast ratio but I am just pointing out some facts... I would buy one if they were not so laggy. The overall level of blur and input lag will be lower / less noticeable on the IPS screens, contrast ratio and white glow significantly better on VA.
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You are free to counterpoint tables and numbers with your subjective opinions :)

I will not discuss blur because it is subjective, and in the case of AMVA panels, highly dependent of what color transitions are being measured. On average, AMVA is euqal or faster than IPS, but there are a few transitions that are twice slower. whether that will result in greatre motion blur depends on the image used and the user sensitivity.

But the same can not be said about input lag.

When facing cognitive dissonance it is useful to revert roles. :D I will not try to convince you, which is impossible if you are, as i believe, in cognitive dissonance, instead, i will ask you to convince us.

Explain to us "like we are 5 years old", what IPS koreans have MEASURED input lag MUCH lower than the BL3200PT.

By MUCH i mean over a complete frame faster (18ms)~. feel free to use other sources of data :cool:
 
So I didn't end up biting on the ENVY. I kinda feel relieved since it was more money than I wanted to spend anyway. This weekend I noticed the Acer K272HULbmiidp is on sale for $300. Any thoughts on it? It's listed as IPS, but I've seen some reviews claiming it's actually a VA.(?) If it's an IPS and picture would be about the same as my current Q270 and it doesn't have flicker issues, I'd probably be pleased with it.
 
Hmm, the BenQ GW2765HT is $359 right now. Seems like a decent deal. It should be about on par with my old one then?
 
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