Human Head Transplant Just 2 Years Away, Surgeon Claims

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This has to be the creepiest story of the week. An Italian Neurologist, Dr. Sergio Canavero has outlined his head transplant procedure in a medical paper submitted to the Surgical Neurology International. The paper outlines the techniques and the prognosis for a full recovery within a year. The good doctor is looking for a few good test subjects if you are interested in getting ahead. :D

And that's all without even taking into account the ethical considerations: in order to have the best chance of success, the donor body has to be still technically living. This also means that donor bodies -- even if the procedure could be approved -- would be in very short supply. Unsurprisingly, the concept leaves many uncomfortable.
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Face/Off 2: Head/Off
A Michael Bay film

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Well if that's true then it should also spell the end of paralysis resulting from spinal injury.
 
well some will do anything to get ahead in life I guess
 
My ex-girl friend had a perfect body but an average face and the one before that had an average body but a beautiful face.

I see potential.
 
So those people who cryo froze just their head because it was cheaper will now have options? :... well assuming they can figure out how to do that whole thaw process thing.
 
Wouldn't something like Whitney houstons daughter's body if she just cant recover which does not seem likely be the best candidate for something like this assuming everything else matches up like blood type or what ever other issues need to match up.
 
BTW.. Keep in mind that they learned much about humans as well from that dog head transplant, and they use those techniques on other transplants nowadays. They didn't do it as a joke. Just posting this before animal people get crazy. To me, that is worth it. That one dog was truly helpful for all of humanity and may have saved millions of lives..
 
You've got 2 years notice to get your body wrecked in time.
Get lazy, eat burgers, play lots of games.
Hard work but you gotta do it.
 
blade12 said:
They did it with a dog's head in Russia in the 50s.

The following video may be disturbing to some so watch at your own discretion
Russian Dog Head Transplant
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blade12 said:
BTW.. Keep in mind that they learned much about humans as well from that dog head transplant, and they use those techniques on other transplants nowadays. They didn't do it as a joke. Just posting this before animal people get crazy. To me, that is worth it. That one dog was truly helpful for all of humanity and may have saved millions of lives..
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Just watched that video. I am not a crazy animal "rights" activist or anything. Just wanted to point out that they used a lot of dogs. The video showed a second head grafted onto a dog as well as a few whole dogs grafted together. Kinda creepy.
 
blade12 said:
They did it with a dog's head in Russia in the 50s.

The following video may be disturbing to some so watch at your own discretion
Russian Dog Head Transplant
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Mmmm, I didnt see it that way. To me, it seemed like they just recreated conjoined twin dog by hooking up one dogs body to the other. They didn't technically do a "head transplant"
 
Isn't this basically what the last X-Files movie was about?
 
blade12 said:
They did it with a dog's head in Russia in the 50s.

The following video may be disturbing to some so watch at your own discretion
Russian Dog Head Transplant
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Pretty screwed up, and I can't imagine how much pain the dog was in being alive for hours while being subjected to tests with cold blood flowing through its head and open nerve endings like that.

Who cares what they learned? Dogs have formed a symbiotic relationship with man since the years of the caveman, lending their superior senses in exchange for the protection of our superior intellect and learning a biological ingrained trust. To abuse dogs like this is to betray that trust and that epic relationship over the centuries.

Besides, since when are people better than dogs? When is the last time you heard of a dog hooking up another dog's testicles to a car battery? Humans do that. If anything, there are already far too many humans on the planet, so if you're doing science for humans to save humans then do the experiment ON humans if you think its worthwhile.
 
Smashing Young Man said:
Well if that's true then it should also spell the end of paralysis resulting from spinal injury.
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There's a difference between a clean, surgical cut of a spinal cord, and a hard/rough severing of a spinal cord - that's the biggest issue with why spinal injuries are so damaging.
 
Regarding donor bodies, the obvious donors would be hospitalized vegetables with brain damage. We see those from motorcycle accidents without helmets and so forth, where we can put the body on life support and mend it up quite well, but the brain experienced too much trauma.

But I think people forget that they aren't their head or brain, they are the entirety of themselves. The brain may be the center for all memories, but you can change someone's personality by altering their body chemistry and a whole new body would certainly do that. An energetic lively person may become a lazy slob. And hell, even your body image affects how you act, and if you guys have ever met a transgender dude on female hormones you know all too well how batshit crazy they can be just from that, as are young guys pumped up on testosterone. So this whole idea that your head can be divorced from your body and you remain "you" in essence I think is bullshit.
 
blade12 said:
They did it with a dog's head in Russia in the 50s.

The following video may be disturbing to some so watch at your own discretion
Russian Dog Head Transplant
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This shit is why I don't think I'll ever be able to go into doctoring route. I didn't watch it, and I'm not super squimy afaik. But I don't think i can watch that without it basically being imprinted in my mind forever. And I don't think I want that.
 
Wildace said:
Wouldn't something like Whitney houstons daughter's body if she just cant recover which does not seem likely be the best candidate for something like this assuming everything else matches up like blood type or what ever other issues need to match up.
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would anyone really want to be transplanted on to that drugged up body of her's? they'd probably be in an equally shitty situation not too long afterwards (her heart, lungs, and liver probably aren't in the best of shape).
 
Ducman69 said:
Pretty screwed up, and I can't imagine how much pain the dog was in being alive for hours while being subjected to tests with cold blood flowing through its head and open nerve endings like that.

Who cares what they learned? Dogs have formed a symbiotic relationship with man since the years of the caveman, lending their superior senses in exchange for the protection of our superior intellect and learning a biological ingrained trust. To abuse dogs like this is to betray that trust and that epic relationship over the centuries.

Besides, since when are people better than dogs? When is the last time you heard of a dog hooking up another dog's testicles to a car battery? Humans do that. If anything, there are already far too many humans on the planet, so if you're doing science for humans to save humans then do the experiment ON humans if you think its worthwhile.
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Alright cool, I want to test my theory of brain transplants and since dog's aren't cool with you, I'm assuming I can use you instead right?
 
Ducman69 said:
Pretty screwed up, and I can't imagine how much pain the dog was in being alive for hours while being subjected to tests with cold blood flowing through its head and open nerve endings like that.

Who cares what they learned? Dogs have formed a symbiotic relationship with man since the years of the caveman, lending their superior senses in exchange for the protection of our superior intellect and learning a biological ingrained trust. To abuse dogs like this is to betray that trust and that epic relationship over the centuries.

Besides, since when are people better than dogs? When is the last time you heard of a dog hooking up another dog's testicles to a car battery? Humans do that. If anything, there are already far too many humans on the planet, so if you're doing science for humans to save humans then do the experiment ON humans if you think its worthwhile.
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While I agree with you in principle, I can see the other side. That other side is an argument for the greater good. Is the death of a few dogs worth the lives of millions of people? And the medical advancement you can gain from it? Morality gets tricky here when we consider saving lives. It is playing god so I don't know. I wish I had the right answer.
 
ml_paladin888 said:
would anyone really want to be transplanted on to that drugged up body of her's? they'd probably be in an equally shitty situation not too long afterwards (her heart, lungs, and liver probably aren't in the best of shape).
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would you really be that picky if a body transplant is so rare, i mean the body it self couldnt be that bad, as long as there were no remaining drugs in the system too because of her coma/being on life support there shouldnt be any risk of addiction for your self either, i doubt her liver is overly screwed up she is still rather young even if she was heavy on the booze/drugs.
 
I wish some of you people would calm down and see how this new idea will help a lot of bodies get ahead in life.
 
Pft, get back to me when my brain can be transplanted into a giant mech.
 
@diablo12
Too bad you didn't read the article, your two posts are literally the second and third paragraphs.
 
I doubt they can pull this off, but if so, I expect young healthy people will start disappearing so old rich people can get a new body. I can't see a good ending for this if it does work.
 
Now step up the cloning research, and figure out how to fix the horrible shit that happens to our brains as we age, and we can just pop ourselves into a younger version of ourselves. To be 22 again now that I have more or less made it, after struggling for 30 years to get there would be awesome. T
 
5150Joker said:
Alright cool, I want to test my theory of brain transplants and since dog's aren't cool with you, I'm assuming I can use you instead right?
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Nope, because just like dogs, I have done nothing to deserve torture, and you have no right to test your BS just because you want to.
blade12 said:
While I agree with you in principle, I can see the other side. That other side is an argument for the greater good. Is the death of a few dogs worth the lives of millions of people? And the medical advancement you can gain from it? Morality gets tricky here when we consider saving lives. It is playing god so I don't know. I wish I had the right answer.
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Except millions of people haven't clearly been saved by performing head transplants, and like I said, if its testing for humans to save humans then use humans. If a few human lives save millions of human lives, the moral question is exactly the same when it comes to "greater good of one vs many".

Canines are our partners as a species, and have tremendous loyalty and trust ingrained in them from birth. Sure there may be a few asshole dogs, but for the most part dogs are good people.

There are PLENTY of bad people though that have actually committed acts that removes from from consideration of mercy, but because they are human, we think they are better than a loyal dog that would lay his life down for you in a heartbeat. That to me is retard logic. We cull deer for their own good, because we recognize how overpopulated the planet is, so why is human life so seemingly rare and special. Use a deathrow inmate that raped a schoolbus of nuns for experiments if you have to sacrifice the one for the many.

Take Charles Ng for example. He was convicted of kidnapping, raping, barbarically torturing and murdering anywhere from 11 to 25 men, women and children. Every single body found on Lake’s property in 1985 showed signs of rape and torture, even infants. He filmed himself clubbing victims, male/female/children with homemade spiked bats, chaining to tables, sawing limbs off, raping, etc. You are telling me that his life and happiness is more important than a loyal innocent dog that has done nothing but try to please humans with its actions since birth? HELL NO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ng
He's still sitting on death row, not having paid for his crime. Use him if you have to justify using a life for the greater good.
 
Since free will is an illusion, there is no justification whatsoever to perform cruel experiments on conscient beings including dangerous criminals.
 
The reason dogs are in the position you describe is because we have dominated them over millions of years. We broke them of there wills and replaced it with our own, how is that any different? In my opinion, its worse than what your railing against.

We like to sanatize our history so that people have an easy time living with the moral consequences, its pathetic and doesn't give any respect to both our ancestors and the creatures outright slaughtered. Most medical advancements that your rely on today to keep your parents, siblings, and children alive came about through practices we would consider barbaric tiday.

The unfortunate reality about medical advancement is we have no surrogate, there is no unliving thing that we can test everything on. We have to use living things to do so. Often like you want, its people, nazi's being a perfect recent example that doesnt offend people as much because we have so villified them (rightfully so in many respects). Still America has had its fair share of medical horrors, but sweep em under the rug because we are the good guys.

While many scientests today follow a stricter code of ethics than we have historically, it has slowed our rate of progress, to the detriment of more lives than such progress takes, is that right? Is it wrong? Or if you take a step back, is it just two sides of the same coin, both sides people suffer, both sides they die.

Also, everything we know about animals and how to treat them is the exact same damn thing, just replace people with animals above.
 
blade12 said:
BTW.. Keep in mind that they learned much about humans as well from that dog head transplant, and they use those techniques on other transplants nowadays. They didn't do it as a joke. Just posting this before animal people get crazy. To me, that is worth it. That one dog was truly helpful for all of humanity and may have saved millions of lives..
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A Plague of Experts... no one in the medical community has spoken any words of wisdom.

This Italian 'butcher' needs a new head.

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has is limits." ~Albert Einstein :cool:
 
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