Verizon Responds To Net Neutrality Vote

5150Joker said:
Republicans like throttle internet and overpriced plans - it's God's plan didn't you know? Just ask John Boner.
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I love throttled internet as long as it is throttling the correct things. I don't know enough about the ruling or bills to say that no throttling is allowed. But.. if no throttling is allowed QOS is going to plummet and ISPs will be all like. /shrug this is what you get.
 
redrage said:
I love throttled internet as long as it is throttling the correct things. I don't know enough about the ruling or bills to say that no throttling is allowed. But.. if no throttling is allowed QOS is going to plummet and ISPs will be all like. /shrug this is what you get.
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This is not about looking at every packet and stripping QoS, it's about ISPs not favoring traffic because of its source or destination. In fact, during the counsel QA, VoIP was mentioned as a service that runs on top of the internet so it's not subject to title II and services like it will be looked at on a case by case basis.
 
Godmachine said:
Loving the reaction. Seeing Conservatives say its end times is also priceless. You fucking Conservative types are almost always morons but you do provide me a hearty chuckle.
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Aside from being down-right rude, you fail at trolling... please try again. :rolleyes:

Moving on...

I take anything the government does with much trepidation. Internet users on both ends were being backed into a brick wall by Verizon (and others) for which the writing was very clear. With the government's intervention, many might feel you are left with a "damned if you, damned if you don't" scenario. I hope and think the FCC stepping in was the lesser of the two evils. As so many others have already pointed out, the fact that the telecoms are pitching a fit is only more evidence this was the best move.
 
Does this mean I will no longer have to resort to using my VPN to watch source-quality twitch streams on my Verizon FIOS connection?

The twitch.tv throttling isn't noticeable all the time, but far too often since I began frequenting the site.
 
Man, the amount of disinformation being spread in this thread about the way the US Government operates is mindboggling. That's part of the problem with our society though - 95% of people have no idea how society works, but they are offered the opportunity to have a say in it without any burden of education on their part.
 
Screw you Verizon...you abuse this already to your advantage

http://www.maximumpc.com/fcc_tom_wheeler_net_neutrality_verizon_2015

This is amusing because Verizon previously forced its hand through the FCC by saying it is a common carrier under Title II Regulations. In fact, it's not recent at all. According to a extremely detailed PULP report on Verizon, the carrier has been using Title II Regulations on and off, depending on its business needs. Verizon flip-flops between saying that it's a heavily regulated network or a deregulated service provider. In a report by The Verge, Verizon's own documents say:

"As noted, Verizon NJ has been upgrading substantial portions of its telecommunications network with FTTP technology as a common carrier pursuant to Title II of the Communications Act of 1934..."

Straight from the horse's mouth. Talk about hypocrisy.

Verizon uses Title II to gain common carrier benefits, such as regulated lower prices, for when it wants to push out infrastructure and dip its hands into tax dollars for the build-outs, but shams Title II for when it wants to throttle broadband speeds so that it can siphon money from content providers--all after the Verizon customer has already paid for the access.

How exactly can Verizon claim Title II? Easy: Verizon also has a landline telephone business. Telephone carriers are classified and regulated under Title II of the communications Act. This regulation controls costs, and allows telephone carriers to use backbones of other utilities, to ease the build-out of networks by piggybacking on existing infrastructure. Since land-line businesses are dying, Verizon and others keep this part of its business around as a very powerful tool.
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Everyone that thinks this is good is going to shocked to find they have been useful idiots. You did everything you didn't think you were doing. None of us have yet to see the regs but Google has helped "tweak" the language so they have gotten to see them and frankly they wrote the damn thing. What does that tell you?

You have been fooled by your naivete and used to fight the rest of us and were simply too blind to see it.
 
I feel like some of the NN naysayers are just trying to hop on the told-you-so bandwagon for brownie points. I'm sure it can't be much worse than what the ISPs had planned for us after we got used to what they are already doing.
 
runffs said:
Everyone that thinks this is good is going to shocked to find they have been useful idiots. You did everything you didn't think you were doing. None of us have yet to see the regs but Google has helped "tweak" the language so they have gotten to see them and frankly they wrote the damn thing. What does that tell you?

You have been fooled by your naivete and used to fight the rest of us and were simply too blind to see it.
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Look at American history and tell me when deregulation and corporate power worked?
Our founding fathers were emphatically against corporations.

"The power of all corporations ought to be limited," James Madison.
 
mullet said:
yeah, wait till the government gets involved. Be careful what you wish for. The internet is NOT a utility it is a luxury just like a cell phone. You don't have to have this. Think of it this way you spend billions on infrastructure to then have the US government which knows nothing on the subject is now making rules that you WILL abide by. Still seems fair?
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while I agree the government is terrible... the ISPs are worse, so much so that the government won a PR war against verizon.... let that sink in a bit... their approval rating is below flesh eating bacteria, and they won a pr battle...
 
{NG}Fidel said:
Look at American history and tell me when deregulation and corporate power worked?
Our founding fathers were emphatically against corporations.

"The power of all corporations ought to be limited," James Madison.
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hahaha...it has always worked...how old are you?
 
Killahurtz said:
hahaha...it has always worked...how old are you?
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not sure if serious?

deregulating banks got us real far... and then there were these silly monopolies back in the day... but...well.. you know
 
Do I have to be either pro-government or pro-corporation in this debate? I don't think either side is looking out for us.

They're looking out for their own interests.
 
crusty_juggler said:
Do I have to be either pro-government or pro-corporation in this debate? I don't think either side is looking out for us.

They're looking out for their own interests.
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No doubt. But before the ruling we had ZERO say in anything. Nothing to stop them from railroading any attempts at cities creating their own Internet setups , nothing to stop them from imposing new data caps that cost even more money to us and profit them greatly.

Its also the very first time that something like this addresses the huge issues with mobile networks and absurd data caps and cost.

Its not perfect , it'll be thrown into lawsuits in no time and for awhile but its a start. The lobbyists threw tons of money at this to attempt to destroy it before it even had a chance and they failed. Even if they sneaked in some bullshit we still now have the beginning of an Internet Bill of Rights.

Nothing is worse than something.
 
I read another [H] forum user sate that the new regulations say nothing about data caps. Does anyone know is this is accurate?
 
crusty_juggler said:
Do I have to be either pro-government or pro-corporation in this debate? I don't think either side is looking out for us.

They're looking out for their own interests.
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What real options do consumers have for pushing back against monopoly utilities? The utilities have no competition and they've bought off municipalities all over the place to maintain their position. Government oversight is how we keep those sort of companies in check.

I hate how conservatives always try to frame these kind of issues like it's about personal liberty and 'wariness' about the size of government. That's just marketing speak, what they're really saying is they think the status quo is fair and that the public is stupid. That's what conservatives have been doing all the way back to Plato.
 
Archmage said:
Does this mean I will no longer have to resort to using my VPN to watch source-quality twitch streams on my Verizon FIOS connection?

The twitch.tv throttling isn't noticeable all the time, but far too often since I began frequenting the site.
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This has no impact on peering/routing issues.
 
crusty_juggler said:
I read another [H] forum user sate that the new regulations say nothing about data caps. Does anyone know is this is accurate?
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I would imagine this is the case, there is no way to separate data usage from billing. Real transit is priced in 95th percentile billing, eventually I can see heavy users being charged higher rates out of necessity.
 
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