Broadwell/Skywell Release - New Intel Details

Just to confirm skylake will have a all new chipset pinout so your 9 series board is useless and you will need a 100 series board?
 
ep0x73 said:
Just to confirm skylake will have a all new chipset pinout so your 9 series board is useless and you will need a 100 series board?
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Yes. Broadwell is the last chip for 9 series boards.
 
HA! I just realized I used "Skywell" in the title. Oh my. :eek:
 
At least it wasn't

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dr/owned said:
There's also more localized heat transfer problems. With huge die, some cores are going to be surrounded on all sides by other cores. What we see on 4 core die with the middle cores being hotter than the outer cores...same thing scaled up.
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there is a middle core? they are not 2x2?
 
needmorecarnitine said:
there is a middle core? they are not 2x2?
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Xeon E7v3 is colums of 4 cores, 4 cores, 4 cores, and 6 cores. There's 2 columns of cores sandwiched by other cores.

Haswell-E is just 2 columns of 4 cores, but you have a core neigboring 3 cores instead of only neighboring 2 cores. Sure they're separated by a ring bus which takes up some space, but there's still going to be heat transfer going on.
 
I'm so excited for Skylake. I'm going to be doing a completely new build. Hopefully the 980GTX Ti will be out by then too. Two 1TB SSD's in RAID0 for a Steam drive. :D
 
Sure, Skylake needs a brand-new chipset, bah!

But the big benefit of this new chipset is they are upgrading the PCH lane bandwidth to PCIe 3. The connection between the processor and PCH should double in speed, and they are adding several more flex-IO connectors, allowing for far more robust nVMe SSD options.

Then you have DDR4, which could be pretty impressive by the time of release.
 
defaultluser said:
Sure, Skylake needs a brand-new chipset, bah!

But the big benefit of this new chipset is they are upgrading the PCH lane bandwidth to PCIe 3. The connection between the processor and PCH should double in speed, and they are adding several more flex-IO connectors, allowing for far more robust nVMe SSD options.

Then you have DDR4, which could be pretty impressive by the time of release.
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It seems the new chipset, as opposed to the processors themselves, offer the biggest reason for people such as myself to hold off on an upgrade.

In fact, depending on whether or not the K CPUS are launched right away, I might end up in a situation where I pick up the cheapest i3 Skylake CPU and a top end Z170 motherboard in order to get into the platform at launch, and then upgrade to the i7 K CPU when it's released.
 
It seems the new chipset, as opposed to the processors themselves, offer the biggest reason for people such as myself to hold off on an upgrade.
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I think this is the point of Broadwell. If you want the old chipset get Broadwell.
 
smangular said:
43% Performance Increase in the OpenCL Benchmarks but very little else ware.
11% Increase with 3dMark v11 but 15% drop in single threaded CineBench speed.
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clock speed also increased ( 1.3 base vs 1.6, 2.6Turbo vs 2.7Turbo) I imagine that it will stay at higher frequencies for a longer period of time, considering the power consumption is actually higher when compared to the 4250u in that review.
 
Yes, mobile = good. maybe now we might see an increase of x86 tablets in the android and Windows world.

14nm atoms should be within the power range of the current generation of ARM chips as well.
 
Arct1c0n said:
For mobile users, its good. Power users = jack shit
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Actually no. Leakage will be lower so in theory you might be able to overclock a bit more without hitting a thermal ceiling. Although the die size shrinks too so there's less surface area to pull the heat off.
 
Stinks that they're so slow to advance with such little competition in the high-end realm. Granted they could be a lot more extortionate, but progress seems to be moving slower and slower.
 
Games don't even take advantage of what we have now and people continue to cry about new improvements as boring. :confused:

If you are doing 'real' work then you have Xeon and even Phi chips at your disposal.

You need huge IPC improvements and moar clockspeed to run your browsers? Post on [H]? Watch YouTube? Really?

If game developers were pushing the upper limits of what we have already right now, then sure the clamoring for more progress would be warranted. However games have not been CPU bound for a long time now.
 
melk said:
If game developers were pushing the upper limits of what we have already right now, then sure the clamoring for more progress would be warranted. However games have not been CPU bound for a long time now.
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Maybe in shitty benchmarks on websites like Anandtech.

Next gen games need massive amount of draw calls for games with tons of objects - Unity or Dying Light or TW:Atilla could easily consume 6 Ghz Haswell and still ask for more.
 
Right, which is why DX12 is directly aimed at reducing draw calls.

Sure more clock speed is always nice, and improved IPC too. Which Intel continues to improve. 5-10% improvement for the last 3 generations does add up.
 
Dying light does not draw jack from my CPU.. Perhaps its my 280X, still, it feels ported because the 280X is a good card.
 
Voxata said:
Dying light does not draw jack from my CPU.. Perhaps its my 280X, still, it feels ported because the 280X is a good card.
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280x is an ok card paired with a rather high end processor. It's going to be your limiting factor In just about every single game out there, port or otherwise.
 
melk said:
Games don't even take advantage of what we have now and people continue to cry about new improvements as boring. :confused:

If you are doing 'real' work then you have Xeon and even Phi chips at your disposal.

You need huge IPC improvements and moar clockspeed to run your browsers? Post on [H]? Watch YouTube? Really?

If game developers were pushing the upper limits of what we have already right now, then sure the clamoring for more progress would be warranted. However games have not been CPU bound for a long time now.
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I I've got an old i7 860 (12GB, SSDs etc) and outside of Photoshop/LR (which is really an issue of my non-ssd storage and occasionally because I need more ram), it's fine for virtually everything. Still, I intend to upgrade this year....probably convert this into something else. We'll see. I may lose interest by the time I can buy a new rig. Besides, I'd kinda like to move to DDR4, since I know that's gonna be around for a few years and buying more DDR3 (which I'd need to do) seems like a waste (especially when RAM is 2x what it was a couple of years ago)
 
RamonGTP said:
280x is an ok card paired with a rather high end processor. It's going to be your limiting factor In just about every single game out there, port or otherwise.
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It is def my bottleneck, just like a 980 would bottleneck my 4.8Ghz 4970k . The 280x maxing everything, just as a 980 would at the moment. My reference was honestly to say Dying Light has some performance issues, I wouldn't say it covers the cores well at all. BF4 is the largest CPU load game I've played before.
 
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smangular said:
Great Question, I've been eyeing the Avoton C2750 boards but concerned about that big refresh coming. However I can't find any information that has been updated this year about the Xeon D lineup.

Exact same situation..

I was going to pull the trigger on a few C2750 Boards, until I read about SoC refresh Q2.

The new SoC boards are 'supposed' to be a big performance increase.

Hoping someone has additional more information they can share
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aldamon said:
5960x is a little out of my comfort zone on price, but 5820k has certainly caught my eye. Wish I had a Microcenter around here.

Getting pretty bored with S1155 even if the performance is still fine. Had the same conversation after 4 years on Q6600.
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Going to have to absorb those ram prices too though.
 
The first two Xeon D processors are available immediately,
costing $199 for the 4-core version
$581 for the 8-core version
 
Should see the Xeon D 1500 series boards at the end of the month. Supermicro already has them on the website. Target price $800 mini itx board up to 128GB DDR4 memory
 
This for a 8 core 16 thread xeon chip on the board, add $100 for 10GB nics.
Game changers!
 
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