GTX 970 flaw

MrLonghair said:

Too many pages to browse in 2+ threads; are [H] going to give this even the slightest mention or are they taking their time working on an article running deep tests

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I am starting to think they are simply going to let this slide...
As to why I don't know because the [H] is unbiased. Perhaps Nvidia is making threats as to continued review samples, or asking for more time to figure out its response. At this point the response has been schizophrenic.

{NG}Fidel said:

I am starting to think they are simply going to let this slide...
As to why I don't know because the [H] is unbiased. Perhaps Nvidia is making threats as to continued review samples, or asking for more time to figure out its response. At this point the response has been schizophrenic.

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This guy, he is posting in mutiple threads on this issue, has a 7970 in his sig, and is coming up with conclusions about why [H] hasn't responded. He just has to much time on his hands...

Stev3FrencH said:

This guy, he is posting in mutiple threads on this issue, has a 7970 in his sig, and is coming up with conclusions about why [H] hasn't responded. He just has to much time on his hands...

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Team Red has always thought [H] was biased ever since the review of the HD 2900 XT because it contradicted the results of other tech review sites.

Yeah sorry I have a couple days off and my GPU broke so Im pretty focused on GPUs right now?
Why is the 7970 even an issue? Also I just called the [H] unbiased because I know they are, thats why this silence is fairly odd from them. I do not think Steve or Kyle wants to ignore this issue I simply believe something else is going on. If you had decent reading comphrension you would realize I think that Nvidia is interfering with Steve and Kyles desire to speak up. Also team red? Just because I have a 7970 in my sig? I simply support the best GPUs available at the time. When the 2900XT came out it was the GTX8800 that I supported. Whenever Nvidia has been in the lead I recognize it. I am not team red or team green. I am team I don't want to be lied to about my GPU specs. I wonder why you don't want to join that team...

Also this issue is fairly big and some people are just incredibly ok with being deceived. I find that very fascinating and I do tend to speak out against that, just like I would if AMD were caught doing something similar. This isn't ok and people should speak out about it. Sorry if that ruffles your delicate feathers.

I'm just saying, lets let this blow over a bit and see who speaks first. No one is really saying anything about it. Life is to short to be this upset over a piece of hardware. It still works great and in this moment, is still the best you can get for your dollar. I think people forget that this card is faster than the 780 and has more usable memory than it did even if the usable memory might only be 3.5gig.

Lets all sit down and take a couple deep breaths here.

It also competes with the cheaper 290X that is pretty much neck and neck with it or faster at higher resolutions. So for some the GTX970 wouldn't be the best they could have gotten for their dollar. Also Nvidia already responded to the issue, I don't know how you can say no one is saying anything about it. Its on Reddit, Twitter, Forums, and Nvidias official reps are talking. Companies are getting tons of GTX970 returns in Europe.

Surely you have to take power consumption into mind here. In that sense, the 970 is still better. Take a xanax or something man, its not the end of the world. Give it some time and maybe [H] will post whatever it is you are looking for. I don't know what else anyone can say like you said, but you obviously are waiting for some statement to heal all wounds.

Edit: clarification

wabbitseason said:

The facts are plain to see at this point, so don't expect [H] to provide anything less than scathing criticism.

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Which is 100% fine by me, I would just like to see someone with some clout take a nice fact based look at the situation, and if need be, put a boot up team greens ass!

Stev3FrencH said:

Surely you have to take power consumption into mind here. In that sense, the 970 is still better.

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It's pennies for most people in the US with reasonable energy costs. If you have an aftermarket 290/290x it's not any louder than a 970.

By that logic...
"Surely you have to take coil whine into mind here. In that sense, the 290/290x is still better." since you don't have to worry about RMAs and shipping and hassle.

I have a 290. I build with whatever is ideal for my use or whoever is building the machine at the time. That's included a number of gtx 600 series cards.

I wouldn't build a machine with a 970 right now. It's better on paper than the AMD cards but not at its price point with all the hassle and it's shit in SLI.

Tested this flaw in the following games and can replicate.

COD AW with Filmscopic 2X and no supersampling but all cache options turned on. Stutters past 3.5 GB at 1080P.

Dying Light with everything maxed including view distance to 100% and stutters whenever it goes past 3.5 GB especially in cutscenes. Reducing view distance reduced ram usage. Still to check stutters. 1080P.

Mordor, everything maxed out in the DLC expansion pack using ultra textures. Stutters past 3.5 GB. 1080P.

Same issue found in Farcry 4 but more rare because the game usually hovers around 3.2-3.4 GB at which point it does not stutter.

At this point in time, I am pretty pissed for using a gimped card. However, it is still a decent upgrade from 780 SLi that I had which did not even allow me to run Ultra textures without massive stuttering. I would have appreciated a full 4 GB card but given I don't want to switch to AMD for now (just cancelled my order for R9 295X2 since I figured GTA V will run shite on AMD). So what real choice do I have but to suck it up.

Igroock said:

SO does the 980 have this issue with memory as well? Some posters mentioned something similar which I find hard to believe.

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It doesn't.

Zangmonkey said:

I think people are taking themselves a little too seriously here.

The GTX 970 meets the performance that reviewers and benchmarks produced, and we all purchased it based on the benchmarks rather than the stats.

If we purchases based on specs then nobody would have bought Athlons back in the day when Intel chips were clocked 30% higher... it wasn't the spec that mattered, it was the benchmark performance that put the Athlons in the lead.

The specs are not wrong and they're not dishonest in any way. The hardware is as specified and the controller behavior isn't advertised.

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Stev3FrencH said:

I think its funny all the hate right now. The card has the ram, the card can use the ram. I realize some people bought this in the hopes to run 4K, but did you really think a card that is priced at 320 bucks would run 4K without problems? There are going to be trade offs.

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It's as if you haven't read anything on this subject. Your points have been refuted ad nauseam.

KickAssCop said:

Tested this flaw in the following games and can replicate.

COD AW with Filmscopic 2X and no supersampling but all cache options turned on. Stutters past 3.5 GB at 1080P.

Dying Light with everything maxed including view distance to 100% and stutters whenever it goes past 3.5 GB especially in cutscenes. Reducing view distance reduced ram usage. Still to check stutters. 1080P.

Mordor, everything maxed out in the DLC expansion pack using ultra textures. Stutters past 3.5 GB. 1080P.

Same issue found in Farcry 4 but more rare because the game usually hovers around 3.2-3.4 GB at which point it does not stutter.

At this point in time, I am pretty pissed for using a gimped card. However, it is still a decent upgrade from 780 SLi that I had which did not even allow me to run Ultra textures without massive stuttering. I would have appreciated a full 4 GB card but given I don't want to switch to AMD for now (just cancelled my order for R9 295X2 since I figured GTA V will run shite on AMD). So what real choice do I have but to suck it up.

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Thank you for this and for more examples of how this isn't a 4k issue only.