Windows 10 TP Build 9926 Released!

Feels like a massive setup backwards as far as the start menu is concerned. Cannot resize it. All programs are in a tiny "all apps" menu that you cant expand or organize. For all the BS they said about appealing to the enterprise it really feels they are forcing people into their app model more and more.
 
I just hope the wireless card in my DELL laptop works with this build. The last one I couldnt get it working for the life of me and I cant run a cable for it.

Downloading now and I'll mess with it this weekend. Thanks for the link!
 
so Spartan is not included with this new build but IE11 comes with the revamped rendering and JavaScript engines?...so isn't it basically Spartan then?
 
polonyc2 said:
so Spartan is not included with this new build but IE11 comes with the revamped rendering and JavaScript engines?...so isn't it basically Spartan then?
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Not exactly. They showed features of Spartan the other day that won't be in IE. The ability to annotate a web page straight from the browser is very cool.
 
Just tried out the new preview of Windows 10 and I must say the GUI looks even worse than Windows 8, still has that ugly flat look which now looks even worse and the icons look dull and flat. And I'm not a fan of the newly designed start menu as well.
 
I am sure the start menu in this build is customizable just like the other one. What I am not fond of is this missing start screen which I prefer to use at home. The look is different but, it is a preview that they seem to be trying new things on.
 
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why does this button go over the 1px border on the right side

also slowly losing my sanity to search being seperate from start
 
I'd call this an unfinished alpha, the only purpose is for people to actually submit feedback. There will be tons of issues I'm sure just like the last build. e.g. I tried to upgrade from 9879 and the update failed and rolled back to 9879.
 
So far on my main system it's been working smoothly, and feels a little more responsive than under Windows 7 (guessing that's the 8.1 base under-the-hood improvements). I agree that the GUI looks like ass and needs some refinement, though. Once I get a couple upgrades in place I'll turn the screws to the system and see what buckles under the strain.
 
demingo said:
Feels like a massive setup backwards as far as the start menu is concerned. Cannot resize it. All programs are in a tiny "all apps" menu that you cant expand or organize. For all the BS they said about appealing to the enterprise it really feels they are forcing people into their app model more and more.
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First thing I said was "WTF DID THEY DO TO THE START MENU!!! BRING THE PREVIOUS ONE BACK!". This new one sucks, I like pretty much exactly how the previous builds start menu worked. This one sucks, I pretty sure I know how the alphabet works, you don't need to show me each letter. I preferred the grouping by folders as well.
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I hope its a lot more stable than the last build.
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Didn't have any issues with last build.

The folders now are a new nasty yellow. They moved windows update out of the control panel to the super crappy metro settings one. I hate the metro stuff.
 
munkle said:
First thing I said was "WTF DID THEY DO TO THE START MENU!!! BRING THE PREVIOUS ONE BACK!". This new one sucks, I like pretty much exactly how the previous builds start menu worked. This one sucks, I pretty sure I know how the alphabet works, you don't need to show me each letter. I preferred the grouping by folders as well.
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Supposedly the Start menu has been completely rebuilt using XAML, some sort of markup language Microsoft is touting for developers. Word is that options like resizing are going to be added back into future builds. I'll be glad when it is, because as it is in 9928 it's mediocre at best.

I am also not a fan of the new 'flat' yellow folder icons and such, but it sure seems like they plan on keeping them since they were foisted on us in build 9879. They almost seem like Windows 3.1 icons to be honest with you.

However stability seems to be much improved sofar over 9879, I haven't seen any sign of that damn explorer.exe memory leak. Thank goodness, as it was driving me nuts!
 
heatlesssun said:
It's not so much never as inconsistent.
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The inconsistency itself means that no attention is paid to detail. Detail isn't something that is addressed in patches; either the details are fully considered and addressed, or they aren't. You can't call it attention to detail if only some things are focused on.
 
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Did they change the projector connection hotkey from win+p, or is it not functioning in this build?

My biggest gripes so far is that search moved off the start menu and that the new update interface still feels half baked compared to the old one. Actually most of the modern interface stuff is still bleh so far. In practice, the color scheme doesn't make it look slick or anything... it's just bland as shit. Like wow, this entire menu is gray and black, that's it - and seemingly improves on nothing versus the old on the usability front.
 
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My X-Fi soundcard is not working under 9926. It worked fine, albeit with some hiccups installing properly, in 9879. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling drivers, as well as PAX drivers and the ones that auto-install from Windows Update. Windows shows sound activity in Sound devices, but nothing ever comes out. Also the Creative Console program fails to launch, giving an error that a supported device is not detected.

At least i have onboard sound to fall back on...however terrible of an experience that will be comparatively.
 
I had to unplug and plug my speakers back in to get them recognized

When using two screens in duplicate mode the taskbar on one screen flickers but not the other. This goes away in single screen mode.

My sidebar for rainmeter doesn't stay on the bottom and sits ontop of gadgets. It I put it on the bottom it returns to the top after a few minutes.
 
socK said:
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Depends on the Window. I went to Windows Feedback, and it has the 1px border on the right side. The top? Nope.... Inconsistent. Still, it's a beta. While it's not an excuse, as I think these small things shouldn't be an issue (stability, things working correctly I can understand. Small visual things... They should be noticed on internal builds).
 
Terpfen said:
The inconsistency itself means that no attention is paid to detail. Detail isn't something that is addressed in patches; either the details are fully considered and addressed, or they aren't. You can't call it attention to detail if only some things are focused on.
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I was simply saying that Microsoft's attention to detail varies from product to product and release to release. No one gets the details right all of the time, not even Apple, for example their initial release of their maps.

Consider the Surface Pro 3. When the Surface Pro first came out in 2012, I took a good look at in store. I am a big hybrid computing fan and was intrigued by the design. But yes, there wasn't enough attention to the details and I passed on it. The Surface Pro 2 was just a minor revision with many of the same issues that prevented me from buying the original Pro.

And then the Surface Pro 3 comes along and it clearly paid great attention to detail because it addressed some many problems of the first two releases. I'm not saying the SP3 is perfect and when released there were a number of issues with it. But building a good hybrid device isn't easy and I don't think anyone has come as close to it as Microsoft in the SP3 because while not every detail was handled well, many were. And they were very good about taking feedback and addressing issues.
 
Finally get it sort of stable on my Surface Pro 3 after a few Windows updates. Still on the flaky side. Needs a lot of optimization work as well, it's putting a lot of load on the CPU while doing nothing, same with the Samsung 7 Slate. Not ready for full time use yet IMHO, especially on mobile devices because it's sucking up way too much power right now.
 
Anyone have a problem where the mousewheel doesn't work in metro apps including the start menu?

EDIT: Figured it out. Had to uninstall WizMouse. It lets you scroll background windows. A feature that's FINALLY built in to Windows.
 
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Where is the Consumer Preview? Microsoft promised they'd have one in Jan, 9926 is just a TP and still has many issues and hardly anything new besides Cortana.
 
heatlesssun said:
I was simply saying that Microsoft's attention to detail varies from product to product and release to release. No one gets the details right all of the time, not even Apple, for example their initial release of their maps.
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That's correct, they do not. And this is just a preview build of something that won't even go golden master until late summer at the earliest. There are going to be flaws. It's normal.

But I'm talking about Microsoft as a whole and its approach to everything it does. The final shipping build of Windows 10 won't be a triumph of attention to detail, nor will it be a triumph of attention to detail in the years of its operational life, nor will its successor, nor are its predecessors. There's a very clear pattern in the way Microsoft works.

I actually rather like Windows 10 so far, though Microsoft seems stuck reinventing the wheel with every release.

And then the Surface Pro 3 comes along and it clearly paid great attention to detail because it addressed some many problems of the first two releases.
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Fixing flaws of previous releases is normal product iteration. This is an entirely separate concept.
 
Microsoft's iteration time has become too fast for them to really apply the necessary level of attention to detail with each release. I think the visual disparities in Windows 8 are a good example of that.

That said, I'd rather have fast iteration and flaws than slow iteration and perfection. That's just my personal view, though.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Depends on the Window. I went to Windows Feedback, and it has the 1px border on the right side. The top? Nope.... Inconsistent. Still, it's a beta. While it's not an excuse, as I think these small things shouldn't be an issue (stability, things working correctly I can understand. Small visual things... They should be noticed on internal builds).
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Oh yeah I saw that too. That seems to happen to modern windows.
 
Terpfen said:
But I'm talking about Microsoft as a whole and its approach to everything it does. The final shipping build of Windows 10 won't be a triumph of attention to detail, nor will it be a triumph of attention to detail in the years of its operational life, nor will its successor, nor are its predecessors.
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What makes x86 Windows interesting? It's tremendous 3rd party support. x86 Windows supports countless devices and more form factors than anything else currently with by far the largest software library for x86. In comparison Apples sells a miniscule number of Macs, all made by Apple with significantly less software support. With vastly less 3rd parties to deal with, Macs do have more attention to detail. If OS X were a general purpose OS designed to support all that x86 Windows does, I guarantee there'd be a drop off on attention to detail.

Terpfen said:
Fixing flaws of previous releases is normal product iteration. This is an entirely separate concept.
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You can't create a device like the Surface Pro 3 without a good deal of attention to detail.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Depends on the Window. I went to Windows Feedback, and it has the 1px border on the right side. The top? Nope.... Inconsistent. Still, it's a beta. While it's not an excuse, as I think these small things shouldn't be an issue (stability, things working correctly I can understand. Small visual things... They should be noticed on internal builds).
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There are FAR worse issues with the UI in this build. It took me hours just to get it to run without crashing my SP3. There are tons of quality issues in this build and I suspect that quality is going to be a major issue with 10 unless things start to shape up pretty quickly.
 
heatlesssun said:
There are FAR worse issues with the UI in this build. It took me hours just to get it to run without crashing my SP3. There are tons of quality issues in this build and I suspect that quality is going to be a major issue with 10 unless things start to shape up pretty quickly.
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The quality issues aren't any different than previous pre-betas. That's really what this tech preview is.
 
Maximus825 said:
The quality issues aren't any different than previous pre-betas. That's really what this tech preview is.
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I'm not so sure. Windows 10 at this point doesn't feel as solid as I'd like it to be at this point. I did a clean ISO install on a top line Surface Pro 3 and while I did get it work eventually, I'm running 9926 on my SP3 now as I'm typing/handwriting this post, and it's just not there.
 
heatlesssun said:
I'm not so sure. Windows 10 at this point doesn't feel as solid as I'd like it to be at this point. I did a clean ISO install on a top line Surface Pro 3 and while I did get it work eventually, I'm running 9926 on my SP3 now as I'm typing/handwriting this post, and it's just not there.
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Again, it's a pre-beta. It's a build that's probably at least 2 months behind current. This is no different than Windows 8, 7 and Vista pre-betas. If we get a Release Candidate in this condition, then worry.
 
Well, considering they still have ~6 months until gold (and they can always delay it or create updates between gold and release), they should be fine.

I find it is a very good OS that has a few things that aren't quite complete or polished yet. This is Microsoft's huge moment to shine and repair their reputation after Windows 8 (regardless of how anyone feels about it, it didn't make a lot of people happy). They aren't going to release a half baked OS.

I'm more and more impressed with Windows 10 the more I work with it.
 
So you can bring back the previous build's start menu by adding a registry key. I must have hit the Windows key and started typing only for nothing to happen like 50 times already, Was driving me fucking insane.

Also window snapping is still strangely temperamental at times. Last night I had it decide to start snapping windows to like 3/4ths of a monitor. Subsequent suggestions were totally borked / cut off because there wasn't enough room to display correctly and trying to snap another window would make them overlap further mess shit up.

Chrome also has no qualms about ignoring the snap and just fullscreening the window on the first attempt - requiring you to do it second time.
 
socK said:
So you can bring back the previous build's start menu by adding a registry key. I must have hit the Windows key and started typing only for nothing to happen like 50 times already, Was driving me fucking insane.
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Pressing the Windows key and typing works just fine for me. What problem were you having?
 
Maximus825 said:
Pressing the Windows key and typing works just fine for me. What problem were you having?
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Doesn't work for me, pressing the windows key and typing just causes the start menu to sort of dim.
 
This build breaks support for Creative X-Fi cards.. Will eagerly wait for Creative to release a beta driver 6 months after Windows 10 is released

Avast free is also now incompatible and will be removed and not able to be installed..
 
Blue Falcon said:
Doesn't work for me, pressing the windows key and typing just causes the start menu to sort of dim.
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Weird. When I press the Windows key it brings up the start menu and puts the cursor in the search box. Do you have the box?
 
Oh, for anyone who wants to go back to the start menu as used in the previous builds:

Open regedit and Navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER>Software>Microsoft>Windows>CurrentVersion>Explorer>Advanced
Create a new DWORD (32-bit) value, call it "EnableXamlStartMenu"

Restart Explorer​ (or just logout/login or reboot) and enjoy the old Start menu.

Now the old start menu is back and I can use the quick search again! :D
 
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