We dont really use inches apart from screen measuring over here in Australia, but I would hazard a guess I am sitting around 20-24 inches away as I have a deep desk and it is very comfortable viewing.
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Philips BDM4065UC - 40" 4K 60Hz monitor thread
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We dont really use inches apart from screen measuring over here in Australia, but I would hazard a guess I am sitting around 20-24 inches away as I have a deep desk and it is very comfortable viewing.
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does anyone of you have "motion sickness" using this screen? I think people who uses projector as their screen have this "motion sickness" problem. (I think it's call motion sickness, but I can't be 100% sure)
Also, how many of you using Display port 1.2 were successfully able to go to factory setting and change the 30Hz to 60Hz?
Also, how many of you using Display port 1.2 were successfully able to go to factory setting and change the 30Hz to 60Hz?
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not quite. Samsung 32" is 1 Billion color, True 10 bit.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/...l/LU32D97KQSR/EN?CID=AFL-hq-mul-0813-11000170
This LCD is 16.8 million color, 8 bit.
we are missing 1 Billion - 16.8 M = 983.2 million color
my old HP ZR30W is about 4 yr. old, and that LCD is 1 Billion color, how do you people play games w/ 983 million color missing?
that's a lot of color, people
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That missing color only matters if you work in extended color space. 8 bits is enough for sRGB
Happy, hopping there reveals this: In terms of colour, the Philips panel is rocking a true 8-bit screen, but looks to be using some sort of frame rate control (FRC) to mimic the effects of a 10-bit panel. Philips are quoting a full 1.07 billion colours with the BDM4065UC as opposed to the 16.7 million you'd expect from a standard 8-bit monitor.
In other words, smearing this monitor is contraproductive. This is not professional high-end visual productivity monitor where otherwise marginally imporatant 10-bit color makes a difference. Philips PQ is fine and one can not get anything better for the price. More features like 10-bit, 120Hz, curved, would significantly add to the price.
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alright, what does that paragraph means in english? Exactly how does FRC mimic a 10 bit panel?
see, in the TFT review, it says this:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/philips_bdm4065uc.htm
see, in the TFT review, it says this:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/philips_bdm4065uc.htm
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But the good news is alas the max the board in the panel can handle is 75hz @ 1080p and 70hz @ 4k. I would still call that a win in any sense of the word.
What about a 21:9 resolution? What's the max refresh rate there?
I did not tinker too much with it, it was fine 3840x1440 @ 60hz....I am now typing from my custom 75hz 3840x1440 through CRU. For some reason it is scaling the 21:9 properly now....this is wider than the 21:9 screens and you get the black bars top and bottom. But because it's VA the black bars really are not that noticeable unless you actively look for the bezel in a dark room.
So bottom line, I am glad to report 3840x1440 75hz no frame skipping on this panel with CRU.
If youre sitting extremely close then yes you will feel sick...as for actual issues for motion sickness? none unless mouse smoothing is turned on....just does not go well at 40".
1.2 DP switched it and set 60hz immediately and later using CRU to go to 70hz. After that change from 1.1 to 1.2 it's pretty standard.
So breakdown of my settings:
DP switched in monitor 1.1>1.2
6500k
Changed SmartResponse in monitor software to Fast
3840x2160 60hz regular profile
CRU Profiles (kept as LCD standard as manual won't accept the Hz increase):
3840x1440 @ 70/75hz
3840x2160 @ 70hz
1920x1080 @ 75hz
All standard windows resolutions apart from those.
Also installed the .inf from the Philips website...not sure if that helps if any of you run into troubles.
DP switched in monitor 1.1>1.2
6500k
Changed SmartResponse in monitor software to Fast
3840x2160 60hz regular profile
CRU Profiles (kept as LCD standard as manual won't accept the Hz increase):
3840x1440 @ 70/75hz
3840x2160 @ 70hz
1920x1080 @ 75hz
All standard windows resolutions apart from those.
Also installed the .inf from the Philips website...not sure if that helps if any of you run into troubles.
That's quite good, wonder if the seiki will be able to improve on that somehow.
You really aren't missing that, for you to be missing that, you would need to be experiencing content that is 10bit, which excludes almost everything outside of print work, basically if you didn't knew this, then you're not doing the sort of work that requires a 10bit monitor, since you would have already bought a monitor just for the 10 bits, and you would have had it calibrated for perfect color reproduction and what not.
You really aren't missing that, for you to be missing that, you would need to be experiencing content that is 10bit, which excludes almost everything outside of print work, basically if you didn't knew this, then you're not doing the sort of work that requires a 10bit monitor, since you would have already bought a monitor just for the 10 bits, and you would have had it calibrated for perfect color reproduction and what not.
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what about just photos? I know the Canon profile is sRGB, so 8 bit color should be fine, but I want to be sure.
I would strongly recommend reading the TFT Central review. It's not the refresh rate that's responsible for the flicker that MIGHT have negative effects on SOME people, but rather the backlight dimming strategy. Any brightness setting below 100 engages PWM, which apparently can cause eye strain and/or headaches in some people -- but fwiw, none of the current owners have reported any issues in that regard.
IPS vs VA vs TN is another topic on which there's a lot of information out there. Speaking very generally:
IPS has the best color reproduction in terms of accuracy and (on wide gamut panels) gamut, as well as the best viewing angles, i.e. you can view severely off-angle without noticing much if any color or contrast fidelity degradation -- but it also tends to have the lowest response times and reduced contrast because of the so-called "IPS glow", which you can see in dark scenes in games and movies, for example.
VA has much better contrast, so blacks are much deeper, but its color accuracy and gamut and its viewing angles generally aren't as good. However, apparently this Philips panel has pretty good color accuracy out of the box and excellent accuracy after calibration, though it's still not a wide gamut panel. Off-angle viewing definitely creates its issues, though apparently even they're not as bad as other VA panels according to TFT Central. One noticeable artifact on this display is that the upper corners can appear darker than the rest of the display, which is probably because they're being viewed off-angle relative to center, and the display is large enough to exacerbate the issue.
And TN panels basically prioritize pixel response time above everything else, which is why they tend to be favored by hardcore gamers. Their contrast ratio isn't as good as VA, their color reproduction is pretty bad compared to the other two technologies, and their off-angle viewing is horrendous -- but they're less expensive than equivalent VA panels and much less expensive than IPS panels.
True 10-bit panels are extremely rare; you've got one because that display as one of the earliest 30-inch units available was marketed at professionals, just like the Samsung display you linked and the current Dell UP3214Q, the latter of which costs $2500 because it's a 10-bit and wide gamut panel. But even if you have a 10-bit panel, most GPUs can't output 10-bit color; I believe only the NVIDIA Quadro and AMD FirePro line support that. And even with the right GPU, the software has to actually use it, which games won't -- so nobody is missing out on 983 million colors in their games. As others have said, 10-bit is unnecessary for sRGB, which makes it unnecessary for the vast majority of users. Unless you're one of the increasingly rare media professionals still working in Adobe RGB color space despite all of the headaches and potential pitfalls it creates, I don't think it matters.
I also don't think DP 1.2 has the bandwidth for 4K resolution with 10-bit color, in which case the point is moot for this display anyway. And since the only other 40" 4K display we know about is a 6-bit panel (Seiki) and nothing else was mentioned at CES, there aren't any better options unless people want to wait an unknown length of time for a DP 1.3-capable 40" 4K display with 10-bit support -- at which point you'd need a new GPU capable of DP 1.3 and 10-bit color to take advantage of it.
Further reading: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/faqcontent.htm#colour_depth.
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Alright, for the price, where do you buy this monitor now? Do we still wait for Amazon? Because I don't like to order from those german website or S korea of ebay
Amazon briefly listed the display but has since taken it down; I'm sure it will come back, but there's no information as to when, or when the people who submitted orders while it was listed will receive theirs. If you can't wait, Overclockers UK is expecting to get a huge shipment of these displays in this week, which will allow them to fill all existing orders with plenty of units to spare for new ones. Excluding VAT (which you wouldn't pay if you're buying from the US) and adding international shipping, I was looking at about $981 when I ordered with them. There are cheaper ways to get the display, but Overclockers is established and everybody there speaks English, both of which could be handy in case of issues like a DOA unit. It's also not clear if people who buy overseas will be able to work with Philips US on warranty issues after the display is officially available here or if they'd still have to work with the Philips branch in the country where they purchased the display; if it's the latter, that would be yet more reason to purchase from a country that speaks English.
I ended up cancelling my Overclockers UK order and buying on Amazon while it was available. I decided that the extra cash I'd pay to order through Amazon ($999 + free shipping + tax pushed it to $1080) was worth it to deal with Amazon US.
I've ordered 4 displays from SK sellers on Ebay and have had 0 problems so far. Shipping has taken an average of 3 days. And honestly, Ebay protects buyers much better than sellers, in my experience.
You do risk getting a panel that needs to be returned, which will be another $200 if you go that route, but I haven't read any stories about poor QC. IMO - it's worth the risk if patience is an issue.
I too was on the fence for a while, until I really looked at CES and compared the displays that were coming out in the next year......none of which fit my use case very well. Will something better come out in the next 2 years for cheaper? Most certainly.
Honestly though, too many people give advice to wait on tech purchases. There is always something better around the corner.....if you wait, you'll never buy the equipment you need. I've played the waiting game, over and over and over and over -- somehow, I always end up disappointed.
I work remotely, so for me, this is perfect for an IDE, media, and the occasional game at the end of the work day. Immediate use is worth the $100-$150 premium.
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I'd say your problem with Farcry 4 is due to the fast-paced action on a screen that now envelopes your vision. Same reason many can't sit at the front at the cinema. You will probably get used to it though.
Someone asked about distance from the screen - 2-3 feet for me depend on sitting position. Very comfortable.
I'm about 90cm away from it.
Anyone here that came from a 34" 21:9 to this? I'm very interested and while having 3440x1440 is nice but the game support is frustrating since I gotta wait for flawless widescreen or patches to play correctly. If so what are your impression?
While I haven't had that experience, I can tell you that you get the same PPI, despite getting more screen space both horizontally and vertically, so assuming you have a desk that allows you to position the monitor properly you should get an overral better experience, since you won't have to deal with incompatibility problems (outside of what ever rare game doesn't support 4k resolution or 16:9), the only disadvantage (difference in panels aside) is that you will require quite a bit more power, since we are talking about 8 million pixels vs your current 5 million.
Also the game has quite a few problems, from screen tearing, to weird mouse acceleration, microstutter and so on, it requires a bit of messing around http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Far_Cry_4#Fix_stuttering so yeah chances are it's a game problem.
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Anyone here that came from a 34" 21:9 to this? I'm very interested and while having 3440x1440 is nice but the game support is frustrating since I gotta wait for flawless widescreen or patches to play correctly. If so what are your impression?
I bought this instead of a 21:9 34", you can set it up to use like a 21:9 and at 75hz which is higher than the LG will go. And for those times the ratio support isnt there you can just switch to 16:9.
But honestly the 34" 21:9 is good, this is a nice monitor as well but you need to ask yourself if you truly need to upgrade (more of a side-grade unless you REALLY need 16:9).
By the time the end of life comes around for your 34" a much better monitor will have likely come out. That is just my personal opinion, I only switched to this because I was using a 1080p previously which was horrid.
Either way best of luck with your decision
.I use the monitor at 100% brightness and it's not too bright to me at all. I guess this is because I'm used to an Apple Cinema Display at 100% brightness which is like 150% brightness on this panel. This means I don't have to deal with the PWM issues that people keep bringing up. 100% brightness is not that bright people...I even play in a dark room. Stop complaining and just get this thing already. This is truly the first monitor I have felt that is a worthy upgrade to my holy grail Glossy 27" Apple Cinema Display I've used for several years. This is technically the most glossy 4K non-TN monitor you can possibly buy on the market (IE it will have the best picture quality, non grainy images, and no washed out colors). Don't even get me started on going from 27" to 40" as well...my flight simulators are nerdgasmly awesome <-not a real word
FYI I bought mine from Fleabay from S Korea. I ordered Sunday, Shipped Monday, and delivered Wednesday via FedEx International shipping upgrade from the default EMS service. I probably would have gotten it Tuesday if it didn't get stuck in customs for 24 hours since I had to fill out a form and stuff I couldn't get to until almost a day after I got it. No dead or stuck pixels as well.
FYI I bought mine from Fleabay from S Korea. I ordered Sunday, Shipped Monday, and delivered Wednesday via FedEx International shipping upgrade from the default EMS service. I probably would have gotten it Tuesday if it didn't get stuck in customs for 24 hours since I had to fill out a form and stuff I couldn't get to until almost a day after I got it. No dead or stuck pixels as well.
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what country are you in that you can get it here so fast?
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let me temporary play the devil's advocate here:
what would be the reasons not to buy this LCD?
So far, I can think of a few reasons:
1) PWM flilckering if not set at 100% brightness
2) stand can't be adjust down
3) 8 bit color at 16.8 million color somehow "rig it" to make it 10 bit color at 1.08 billion color and yet the spec. sheet clearly said 8 bit
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18634255&page=7
and from the above link:
4) grey trails when you scroll text, mainly obvious with large fonts but you can see it if you look at smaller text too
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on related matter, I found another review in a different language, but the test results is in English and they should speak for itself:
http://lcd.zol.com.cn/495/4959539_param.html
as well, someone else is testing this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/3....5903747,733m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
what happens if you move the screen around? what do you see?
what would be the reasons not to buy this LCD?
So far, I can think of a few reasons:
1) PWM flilckering if not set at 100% brightness
2) stand can't be adjust down
3) 8 bit color at 16.8 million color somehow "rig it" to make it 10 bit color at 1.08 billion color and yet the spec. sheet clearly said 8 bit
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18634255&page=7
and from the above link:
4) grey trails when you scroll text, mainly obvious with large fonts but you can see it if you look at smaller text too
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on related matter, I found another review in a different language, but the test results is in English and they should speak for itself:
http://lcd.zol.com.cn/495/4959539_param.html
as well, someone else is testing this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/3....5903747,733m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
what happens if you move the screen around? what do you see?
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I'm in the USA. EMS shipping from S Korea is like 3~5 business days. I paid an extra $50 to upgrade to FedEx Priority International which is like 2~3 business days I think. I'm also in Las Vegas so close to the West Coast.
I would scratch the 3rd one, since that isn't really a reason not to buy the monitor, it's something that you either need or you don't, and anyone that is even considering buying an 8 bit clearly doesn't need it, since people that need the 10 bit is one of the first things they check to see if the monitor has, because not having it makes it unsuitable for their work, for everyone who doesn't need this for work, they just aren't going to see a difference, since pretty much everything they are going to watch on their monitor is 8 bit (games, movies, and 99.9% of content on the internet).
I would put non square pixels as the third one, since this affects everything you watch, even if it's to a relatively low and almost imperceptible degree.
Add to the second one that to get a decent stand you need a vesa stand, which adds to the cost (even then still cheaper than the competition, so possibility also not a reason).
Then I guess you could add a 4th and a 5th one, that would be related to all 40" 4k panels, which is possibly being too big for some people desks and requiring too much computational power to run games at full resolution, but ofc being 40" and 4k are also advantages.
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I have been watching this monitor and it seems awesome, however I am a bit worried about the glossiness of the surface. It is said to be semi-glossy, and on some photos it looks really bad (like here and here). Does anyone here who has the display have some experiences going from a full matte display to this one on a well lit room?
I like to have bright lighting in the room with the display brightness set relatively low, which makes at least fully glossy displays completely unusable for me. And based on some early press photos the Seiki one looks to be the same as the Philips in this regard, I guess because both are using some made-for-TV panel.
I like to have bright lighting in the room with the display brightness set relatively low, which makes at least fully glossy displays completely unusable for me. And based on some early press photos the Seiki one looks to be the same as the Philips in this regard, I guess because both are using some made-for-TV panel.
Apart of 10-bit I would delete things you mention. Apparently nonsquare is nonissue, since nobody mentions about it in use, stand can be replaced. Who says 40" is too big simply do not buy it but there has been no complaints about this from those who bought. Quite opposite they say there is no way back to smaller monitors.
My concern is about artefacts at edges since viewing angle at edges is quite bigger than in the center. Curved panel would be very helpful with this.
I don't get this so big thing about PWM. You can lower the brightness from graphics drivers panel, would it influence on PWM aswell ? Maybe there's a compromise to do on that...
According to TFT Central, lowering brightness that way can sacrifice contrast, so large adjustments there should be avoided. That's apparently why they made sure never to allow that adjustment to be made during their calibrations.
As I said it's almost imperceptible, but it's there http://i.imgur.com/9wsgrTb.gif this image was made by a user and is a rough calculation of the distortion that one could see, no idea if the user had a monitor to verify that or not, this one https://chucco.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/ratiobdm4065uc.jpg was made by an user that actually has the monitor. The only possible problem that comes to mind is not with media consumption, but with media creation, more precisely on drawing and the creation of 3d models (non cad stuff), quite curious to create something and then show it in 2 different monitors side by side to see if I can tell the difference, since the model will be thinner in a normal monitor, doubt I will notice a difference, but still curious to try it.
PWM is a possible issue, but again, nobody here seems to have a problem with it. The stand is annoying, but also easy to fix if you're willing to spend the cash on an ergo arm and a VESA adapter plate since most ergo arms won't accept a 200x200 mount out of the box. 8-bit color just isn't an issue; see my post above about why 10-bit is pointless for just about everyone. I'm not sure what this "rigging" you're talking about is, but if you're referring to FRC, it's not uncommon for FRC to be employed to add an extra 2 bits to the panel's native capabilities, i.e. a 6-bit panel that supports FRC can emulate an 8-bit panel, and an 8-bit panel that supports FRC can emulate a 10-bit. This display is a native 8-bit panel, and the TFT Central review already clearly indicates that it can cover all of sRGB and do so extremely accurately after it's calibrated, so unless you're a designer who needs maximum Adobe RGB coverage (in which case you'd need a wide gamut IPS panel), I don't see this bit depth as an issue at all.
I would say that yes this has the same sort of semi gloss as even the old Seiki 39". What I would recommend is finding a Samsung semi gloss TV in a store near you and get down to the viewing level you would use.
This is comparable to my 60" Samsung TV and I find that it is all about angles with the reflections. In the end you will know what is best for you but yes this does have the same reflective surface as seen in the photo's you linked.
I however use it in a dark room and due to working nights I usually get bright sun creeping in, at 100% brightness this is hard to notice but my situation differs heavily in lighting from yours.
One thing to point out as well is your usage situation is the worst case I can think of apart from facing a heat lamp directly at the thing. Only other option would be to purchase one of the clip-on matte screens but I don't even know if they make them for this size.
Sorry I could not be of more help mate
French website reviewed it here:
http://www.01net.com/fiche-produit/prise-main-19298/moniteurs-lcd-philips-bdm4065uc/
They are rather happy with it and gave it a 4/5, negative point for them was the default color fidelity.
http://www.01net.com/fiche-produit/prise-main-19298/moniteurs-lcd-philips-bdm4065uc/
They are rather happy with it and gave it a 4/5, negative point for them was the default color fidelity.
For those in the UK shopping for this, I'm watching:
- Amazon.co.uk for £605. ETA is 1-2 months.
- Overclockers.co.uk for £690 (!). Available now.
- Dabs had it for ~£570, but by email they informed me today that the product had been discontinued by the manufacturer! Some mistake maybe?
Any other places? I hope it becomes more widely available.
- Amazon.co.uk for £605. ETA is 1-2 months.
- Overclockers.co.uk for £690 (!). Available now.
- Dabs had it for ~£570, but by email they informed me today that the product had been discontinued by the manufacturer! Some mistake maybe?
Any other places? I hope it becomes more widely available.
Having non-suare pixels is a fatal issue, even if no one has complained about it. But it can give us some hope that Philips' specs cannot be precise with the given dimensions: if the 878.11mm x 485.35mm sides are correctly specified, the stated 100.5cm diagonal size must be wrong. My calculation with Pythagorean theorem resulted in ~100.33cm.
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The huffing and puffing in this thread is hilarious
I wish I followed more in Math class to understand this calculation.
fatal might be slightly exaggerating, and by slightly I mean enormously.
caseking.de has them in stock for 799€ which is roughly 615£.
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Yeah, I don't see how it can be considered a fatal flaw when most people can't tell with the naked eye and it will never affect 99% of people for normal desktop use and gaming. Oh well, if someone decides not to purchase this because of that, who am I to care or try to talk them into it? That just means there will be more stock for everyone else.
There are plenty of good monitors available (albeit not at this size) so if someone is going to be bothered by something that will likely never affect them then they are free to choose another display. Personally I will be enjoying all 8M non-square pixels of this one as I'm sure it's not an issue (probably even less so if this were the case on a 32" 4K panel as the pixels would be smaller and the effect would be even less pronounced).