Philips BDM4065UC - 40" 4K 60Hz monitor thread

Most surface pro 3s have a haswell ULV with HD4400 which CANNOT display 4k@60hz over SST. This is due to their low pixelclock.

Hmm, so it will do 4K @ 60 Hz only via MST? I'm surprised that's true since the total bandwidth required from the GPU is the same regardless of whether it's being sent via MST or SST, and of course even in MST mode the same single GPU is doing all of the work. What an odd and disappointing situation. Does this limitation exist in the i5 and i7 Surface Pro 3s as well, or just the base i3 version? In any case, to the person originally asking about this, in that case I can't think of a way you could use this display at 60 Hz since you can't force an SST display into MST mode. MST mode requires that there be a second independent controller in the display itself, and given the amount of problems 4K MST has been causing on other displays, I'm sure Philips was happy to be able to get 4K @ 60 Hz over SST and not have to include MST at all.
 
Hmm, so it will do 4K @ 60 Hz only via MST? I'm surprised that's true since the total bandwidth required from the GPU is the same regardless of whether it's being sent via MST or SST, and of course even in MST mode the same single GPU is doing all of the work. What an odd and disappointing situation. Does this limitation exist in the i5 and i7 Surface Pro 3s as well, or just the base i3 version? In any case, to the person originally asking about this, in that case I can't think of a way you could use this display at 60 Hz since you can't force an SST display into MST mode. MST mode requires that there be a second independent controller in the display itself, and given the amount of problems 4K MST has been causing on other displays, I'm sure Philips was happy to be able to get 4K @ 60 Hz over SST and not have to include MST at all.

Some good info here: https://communities.intel.com/thread/51410

Basically all ULV processors ,like 4300U, that use HD4400 cannot do 4k@60hz over sst.
I'm not sure about HD5000 though.
 
So, has anyone tried overclocking the monitor yet? Specifically, I'd be interested if it can do 4k@72hz and 4k@75hz without frame skipping, so we can have judder-free playback of 24fps content.

Up, this is extremely important.
 
It's been answered:

Ok so my mrs. has taken my camera for the day for a work gig without telling me so some of the pics from my S4 are blurry so please do forgive me for that.

Starting off.....this CANNOT do 1080p @ 120hz the board in the panel simply will not allow it, however i tested successfully @ 72hz and 75hz without a hitch. 4k was able to be pushed to 66hz without frame skipping....upped it to 72hz and got distortions in the top right of the screen around 1 square inch flickering distorted colours. Have kept it at 60hz as my 290x xfire setup can't push those frames (until 390x at least /shrug).

I was able to recreate the 3840x1440p to give it an AOC/LG ultrawide look...was ok but if the refresh was increased past 60hz it created a stretched 16:9 image that was just awful.

This panel is just simply amazing and from the pics below you can see it dwarf's the S27A950D by miles.

I have owned the Seiki 39" as well and I have to say this monitor outshines it easily, May not have 120hz but it has no screen blanking and it does 60hz 4k not to mention the beautiful colour even with editing the Seiki's service menu.

Even with AA off some games will still dip below 40fps (Crysis 3 I'm looking at you!) but this is to be expected even with a beefy setup of flagship cards.

Long story short:

Pros
- 4k 8-bit VA panel that is responsive and will serve it's purpose
- Games will support 16:9 a lot more often than 21:9 (even though you can CRU it into this panel)
- Production Production Production! I am able to keep a swath of tabs open and spreadsheets while surfing youtube, huzzah! (extra brownie points if you point out to your woman she can have multiple shopping sites open at once while youtubing beyonce's greatest hits).
- Even in dark and light situations (been using it for 4 hours now) it has yet to cause any eye strain for me, but every person is different.

Cons
- Cannot do 1080p @ 120hz, though the 72hz and 75hz compromise I found to be more than enough
- 72hz @ 4k cannot be done, monitor will not recognize the connection (correction: it will, it will just distort on the panel and any program running, 1080p @ 120hz is not recognized...sorry for the farkup)
- Minor annoyance is having to completely reconfigure my logitech proteus' DPI profiles
- This is not available everywhere yet and will make you hesitant regarding warranty/location

Pics (forgive the blur ><'):

Old setup
http://s384.photobucket.com/user/Mauler1987/media/7%20days%20to%20die/My%20base/Philips%2040%20review/20150116_091325.jpg.html

Unboxed size comparison
http://s384.photobucket.com/user/Mauler1987/media/7%20days%20to%20die/My%20base/Philips%2040%20review/20150116_093309.jpg.html

66hz 4k frame skip test
http://s384.photobucket.com/user/Mauler1987/media/7%20days%20to%20die/My%20base/Philips%2040%20review/20150116_095752.jpg.html

3840x1440 failure @ 75hz
http://s384.photobucket.com/user/Mauler1987/media/7%20days%20to%20die/My%20base/Philips%2040%20review/20150116_100125.jpg.html

Heaven Benchmark 55fps @ 4k 60hz 2x R9 290x @ 1070hz
http://s384.photobucket.com/user/Mauler1987/media/7%20days%20to%20die/My%20base/Philips%2040%20review/20150116_120936.jpg.html
 
You are wrong.. The top of the visible monitor area should be at eye level.

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That's why people are lowering this monitor.. My Philips will certainly be kissing the desk, and it will STILL be a bit too high.

I am using a 30", and the top is not at eye level. It's higher, and yet I don't see anything wrong w/ it
 
say the warranty is 1 yr., there is no way amazon will accept return w/i that 1 yr., at the most, is the first 30 days or 60 days
 
say the warranty is 1 yr., there is no way amazon will accept return w/i that 1 yr., at the most, is the first 30 days or 60 days

True, but I think the point is that you'll be able to return to Philips US rather than Philips UK/China, and an Amazon purchase will avoid any risk of purchase date or legitimacy issues that you might encounter buying from some random and/or international vendor like third parties on eBay/Taobao or even Amazon individual sellers.
 
Mentioned that a few posts back. Product page is gone. Orders already placed have NOT been cancelled, but Amazon also still has no ETA (or even an ETA on when they'll have an ETA). The product page should come back soon.

How much was it listed at on US Amazon when it was up? Really tempted to upgrade my 27" Korean IPS. :)
 
For those who own this, could 1 of you take a screen capture of your desktop, I want to see how sharp the fonts are of your desktop icons. And preferably some sort of wordprocessor on the right to see the sharpness of the text as well
 
For those who own this, could 1 of you take a screen capture of your desktop, I want to see how sharp the fonts are of your desktop icons. And preferably some sort of wordprocessor on the right to see the sharpness of the text as well

It has the same DPI as a 27" 1440p monitor, so it's as sharp as that.
 
I went back and saw that quite a few of us bought the Brateck vesa adapter, so I'll warn anyone else buying it that it is not 100% compatible with the monitor or a standard monitor arm (the LX and Silverstone being the popular options so far). The 5mm bolts included in the vesa adapter are too large for the monitor arm, and the holes for the bolts to attach the adapter to the monitor are made for 6-8mm bolts, not the 4mm required on the Philips monitor. In order to get these to fit you will need a set of 4mm nuts and bolts to connect the arm to the adapter kit (or just use a drill to enlarge the holes slightly), and longer 4mm bolts and some larger diameter spacers to attach the adapter to the monitor.

You'd expect a standardised system to just fit properly!

Might be poor form quoting myself, but in case anyone buys a vesa adapter, you'll need a few extra bits to connect it all. I used some 4mm nuts and bolts, and some 5/32 and 1/4 washers.

http://imgur.com/ZblZbWA,4hWGAdz#0

http://imgur.com/ZblZbWA,4hWGAdz#1


For those who own this, could 1 of you take a screen capture of your desktop, I want to see how sharp the fonts are of your desktop icons. And preferably some sort of wordprocessor on the right to see the sharpness of the text as well

It's as sharp as 4x 1920x1080 ;). I have scaled up the text a bit and it looks great - you'd have to have your face on the screen to notice the pixels.
 
For those who own this, could 1 of you take a screen capture of your desktop, I want to see how sharp the fonts are of your desktop icons. And preferably some sort of wordprocessor on the right to see the sharpness of the text as well

A screen capture from one display when viewed on another won't tell you anything about how that image appears on another display regardless of how you set your zoom level when viewing it. A screen grab only shows what the OS is drawing, and sharpness is dependent on how the display renders that signal. The only exception would be showing an app that scales poorly, which would appear in a screen grab -- but the whole point of this display is that you can use it without enabling scaling. An actual PHOTO of the display would be better for capturing what you're after, but then you're introducing the variable of how the camera captures small pixels.

But as others have said, it's the same PPI as a 27" 1440p display. I actually have the opposite concern as you. I currently have a 24" 1200p display which is 96 PPI and recently increased my viewing distance as a result of a new setup on a new desk. Of course things are smaller for me now, and I figure I will likely need to maintain or even increase my new viewing distance for a 40" display to keep everything in my field of vision, so I'm wondering if the combination of a practically required increased viewing distance and higher PPI than I have now might make things a bit more difficult to read overall than they are now.
 
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New update....I have been able to run the monitor at 70hz 4k for 2 hours now...none of the artifacts are occurring that did when @ 72hz. This was smooth enough for bf4 4k and surprisingly I could average 45-60 fps on a 290x crossfire setup.

One thing to note....there are some games out there that do not utilize fullscreen DirectX....namely for me are Rust and 7 days to die. This creates an issue for trying to run 4k as it forces a single (AMD only....NVidia run SLI albeit with perf. hit) card.

This cannot be avoided by even using a 295x etc... as it's still recognized as 2 separate gpu's.

But the good news is alas the max the board in the panel can handle is 75hz @ 1080p and 70hz @ 4k. I would still call that a win in any sense of the word :).
 
New update....I have been able to run the monitor at 70hz 4k for 2 hours now...none of the artifacts are occurring that did when @ 72hz. This was smooth enough for bf4 4k and surprisingly I could average 45-60 fps on a 290x crossfire setup.

One thing to note....there are some games out there that do not utilize fullscreen DirectX....namely for me are Rust and 7 days to die. This creates an issue for trying to run 4k as it forces a single (AMD only....NVidia run SLI albeit with perf. hit) card.

This cannot be avoided by even using a 295x etc... as it's still recognized as 2 separate gpu's.

But the good news is alas the max the board in the panel can handle is 75hz @ 1080p and 70hz @ 4k. I would still call that a win in any sense of the word :).
Fantastic! I just jumped on one of these monitors from ebay. (Lack of patience for Amazon)

After I bought the 295x2 this winter when they were going for under $700, I was hoping it could come close to maxing on 4k.

Question: Do you notice any dimming of the display when overclocked to 70hz? I'm currently using a Qnix 1440p overclocked to 120hz and there is noticeable dimming.
 
Dimming on an OC'd QNIX is a well-known issue. Doesn't happen for the OC-able IPS monitors. Don't imagine it should happen on thIs monitor either
 
Fantastic! I just jumped on one of these monitors from ebay. (Lack of patience for Amazon)

After I bought the 295x2 this winter when they were going for under $700, I was hoping it could come close to maxing on 4k.

Question: Do you notice any dimming of the display when overclocked to 70hz? I'm currently using a Qnix 1440p overclocked to 120hz and there is noticeable dimming.

I do not see any noticeable dimming no, My frame skip was through the UFO frame skip test and showed 3 perfect sections with no skips. My 70hz was done with LCD standard through CRU and I know it makes no difference to DP but I did pixel clock patch it.

295x2 should be more than enough mine are the XFX dual diss and sapphire reference 290x's...overclocked to 1070 core and 1260 on the VRAM. With this I was able to hit 60+ in most games that allowed crossfire with AA disabled.

I do however use the Fast smart response the monitor has, standard feels like there is slightly more blur. Anything over fast created clear overshooting and just felt disgusting as if I was playing on a laptop tft from 1997.

But I use all standard settings apart from that with this monitor, 100% brightness is really easy to get used to as my Sammy was bright too. One thing to note though...if you do not have a mount for this and keep the standard stand then the corners at the top will both look a little dim/washed out. As discussed further up, it might be best to invest in an arm that will hold it flush on the desk.

Would be nice to find a desk arm that would hold it on more of a forward tilt for low office chairs but Australia doesn't really seem to have any.
 
Just make sure you don't hit 72hz or above on 4k, this makes for some bad artifacts and cannot guarantee it won't do any sort of damage.

80hz also seems to have issues for 1080p if you decide to use that res, both AMD control centre and the QA section of the Philips product page state this monitor can do 75hz but only at all resolutions lower than 4k.
 
And one last note....I know I keep doing this haha....make sure anything you have that uses mouse smoothing has it turned off.

I have come across 2 games that use it and with such a large screen it just made me feel sick.
 
http://imgur.com/maWpmPO

Shows the size vs a 32 inch, and sitting nice flat on the desk (perfect height). Very happy with it.

Might grab a stand for the 32, or swap it with a smaller monitor in portrait. Also tempting to do dual 40s ;)
 
http://imgur.com/maWpmPO

Shows the size vs a 32 inch, and sitting nice flat on the desk (perfect height). Very happy with it.

Might grab a stand for the 32, or swap it with a smaller monitor in portrait. Also tempting to do dual 40s ;)

whats the width of your desk if you dont mind me asking?

Also the 32" doesnt look that small, neither does the 40" dwarf the 32" in height which is suprising, however in width it really is a good deal bigger.

probably what most people think of with a 40" is that it will be too high but as you have shown although a 37" on a stand would be about perfect, 40" flat to the desk makes up for it.

still undecided on a 32" or 40" though, its not like 32" is small, flat to the desk isnt totally idea and i do like the idea of a crisper image at 4k.

thinking aloud here having a 32"-34" 4k monitor in 21:9 at 36 - 38" width would be perfect and epic.
 
Can this display perform proportional scaling without customizing GPU settings? I see that it will do 1:1 pixel mapping, and then the only other options are 4:3 and "Wide Screen" -- but what if I wanted to play some legacy game at 1600x1200? 1:1 would obviously give me borders on both sides, but will Wide Screen expand the image proportionally to fill the display vertically while leaving black bars along the sides, or will it stretch it out? Whenever possible I prefer sending a native signal and letting the panel handle all of the scaling rather than using GPU modes to do things like scale the image up to native resolution and actually add black bars into the signal to maintain aspect ratio.
 
Thanks for the great info.

Also, any consensus on monitor stand and 100mm to 200mm VESA adapter? Ideally, I'll have the bottom resting on my desk, but currently don't have a stand that will allow this perfectly.

I imagine the stand base will have to be quite slim.
 
Thanks for the great info.

Also, any consensus on monitor stand and 100mm to 200mm VESA adapter? Ideally, I'll have the bottom resting on my desk, but currently don't have a stand that will allow this perfectly.

I imagine the stand base will have to be quite slim.

I bought the adapter from Mount World sold on Amazon, which a current owner here recommended because it's black and comes with a good selection of mounting hardware. There's a much cheaper option on Monoprice that based on reviews is very good and also comes with a wide variety of screws, nuts, etc, but it only comes in silver, so aesthetics could be an issue if the back of your desk isn't against a wall and you care, of course.

For the arm, the Silverstone arm has been mentioned a few times, but I went with the Ergotron LX Tall Pole simply because I've had great experiences with Ergotron products in the past and the tall pole option would let me temporarily raise the display much higher than the standard LX or Silverstone should the need arise. But yes, you'd want an arm that didn't extend too far into the tabletop area to keep the display as far back as possible if you intend to rest it on the deck. The Ergotron has a pretty small desk footprint.

In any case, I think it's fair to say that there are still too few owners here for there to be much of a consensus on anything. :)
 
Thanks for the great info.

Also, any consensus on monitor stand and 100mm to 200mm VESA adapter? Ideally, I'll have the bottom resting on my desk, but currently don't have a stand that will allow this perfectly.

I imagine the stand base will have to be quite slim.

scroll up to my link to Martha Stewart in the prev. page (either page 56 or 57), that Human Scale arm is way better. And you only buy the arm once
 
Alright people, how's this 40" philips of the same resolution vs. those other 32" at the same resolution?

Comparing the same 3840x2160, what does those 32" gain over this 40" ?

Because those 32" are still more $
 
whats the width of your desk if you dont mind me asking?

Also the 32" doesnt look that small, neither does the 40" dwarf the 32" in height which is suprising, however in width it really is a good deal bigger.

probably what most people think of with a 40" is that it will be too high but as you have shown although a 37" on a stand would be about perfect, 40" flat to the desk makes up for it.

still undecided on a 32" or 40" though, its not like 32" is small, flat to the desk isnt totally idea and i do like the idea of a crisper image at 4k.

thinking aloud here having a 32"-34" 4k monitor in 21:9 at 36 - 38" width would be perfect and epic.

1800x800mm.

The difference between the two is lessened visually as I've got the 40" sitting flush on the desk while the 32" is sitting a bit higher so the top of the screens are in line with each other. This pic will show the difference a bit better: http://imgur.com/ieT3a4p

Perhaps it's better to think of it as two dual screens without the bezel. Personally, I think the size can't be beaten for either media consumption or productivity. I certainly prefer it to the 32". I thought the 32" was massive at first (I had a 27") and it quickly become very comfortable, and small now I've got the 40" (which in turn has become comfortable).

Can always run 21:9 on this monitor ;)
 
Alright people, how's this 40" philips of the same resolution vs. those other 32" at the same resolution?

Comparing the same 3840x2160, what does those 32" gain over this 40" ?

Because those 32" are still more $

Pros of 32" displays compared to this:
-Models with IPS and flicker-free panels as well as better stands are available if any of that is important
-....

That's about it. This panel is cheaper than you'd expect because the panel itself is used on TVs, with just the electronics and a few other aspects changed to make this unit more suitable as a display. That translates to savings from economy of scale since TVs are purchased in much greater quantity than 32" displays, which are a very niche item and therefore produced in much lower quantity, so their per-unit cost has to be higher.
 
Pros of 32" displays compared to this:
-Models with IPS and flicker-free panels as well as better stands are available if any of that is important
-....

That's about it. This panel is cheaper than you'd expect because the panel itself is used on TVs, with just the electronics and a few other aspects changed to make this unit more suitable as a display. That translates to savings from economy of scale since TVs are purchased in much greater quantity than 32" displays, which are a very niche item and therefore produced in much lower quantity, so their per-unit cost has to be higher.

Had done a similar answer, so just going to edit this post to add, that those 32" displays have an advantage over the 40" (this one in specific), which is square pixels, something this monitor doesn't have, while this is something that is not going to be an issue for most people, it is definitely a disadvantage, and one of the stronger indicatives that this panel is also going to be used in TV's.
 
Had done a similar answer, so just going to edit this post to add, that those 32" displays have an advantage over the 40" (this one in specific), which is square pixels, something this monitor doesn't have, while this is something that is not going to be an issue for most people, it is definitely a disadvantage, and one of the stronger indicatives that this panel is also going to be used in TV's.

Fair point, forgot about that. But I remember a while back in this thread that an owner put a large circle on his display and even at that size he still had to use a ruler to tell it wasn't a perfect circle because it looked fine to the naked eye, so I'm not too worried about that.
 
I received my Phillips a couple of days ago (for £603 from Lambdatek), coming from the 28" Samsung 4k monitor, and here are my first impressions:

- Size: I was worried that it was too big for office use, but it's not. I was able to push it back all the way to the edge of the desk and it's very comfortable to use. It didn't take long to get used to it. Bizarrely I actually have more space on my desk now, I wasn't able to use the space behind the old monitor, but now I have lots of space between the monitor and the keyboard for my dinner plate etc.

- Monitor settings: I set brightness to 65%, still plenty bright. Left all settings untouched, DP 1.2 @ 60Hz on my PC.

- Screen impressions: Very clear, no banding, no backlight bleed. Very happy with it. I read the review that mentioned darkening of the corners. That seems to be the case, but I probably wouldn't have noticed had I not read this review. SmartContrast fixes this, at the expense of some other things, but I just left it as it is. Very happy with picture quality.

- PWM: I have never suffered from headaches from striplights etc, but reading that review got me worried about it. It's still too early to tell if I'm affected by it as I haven't done a lot of office work with it. I have played a lot of Far Cry 4 though, and that made me feel ill. That might well be related to the game. I've changed the FOV now to see if that alleviates these effects.

- Scaling: My single GTX 780 can't run Far Cry 4 at full 4k resolution, so I'm running it at 2560x... which looks just fine. My next investment might be a second GTX 780, although I can run other games in 4k alright.

I was previously looking to get a 32" 4k screen and then saw the Phillips. I would have never considered a 40" screen, but this offer at this price was just too good and I took the plunge. I'm not regretting it. With its thin bezel the screen looks very elegant and minimalist, and the included stand, as limited as it is, works fine for myself. The jury is still out if PWM is a problem for me (I hope not!), but if it's not then I can highly recommend this monitor.
 
Pros of 32" displays compared to this:
-Models with IPS and flicker-free panels as well as better stands are available if any of that is important
-....

That's about it. This panel is cheaper than you'd expect because the panel itself is used on TVs, with just the electronics and a few other aspects changed to make this unit more suitable as a display. That translates to savings from economy of scale since TVs are purchased in much greater quantity than 32" displays, which are a very niche item and therefore produced in much lower quantity, so their per-unit cost has to be higher.

I'm not verse in VA panel. Are you saying at 60Hz there is flickering ? What else do you gain from a VA panel to a IPS panel?
 
I received my Phillips a couple of days ago (for £603 from Lambdatek), coming from the 28" Samsung 4k monitor, and here are my first impressions:

- Size: I was worried that it was too big for office use, but it's not. I was able to push it back all the way to the edge of the desk and it's very comfortable to use. It didn't take long to get used to it. Bizarrely I actually have more space on my desk now, I wasn't able to use the space behind the old monitor, but now I have lots of space between the monitor and the keyboard for my dinner plate etc.
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for those who own this monitor, how many inch are you sitting in front of it?

I own a 30" 2560x1600 ZR30, and I'm sitting 19 inches from the screen for the past many years, and I'm very happy w/ it
 
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