Oxford Dictionaries Names 'Vape' As Word of the Year

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MongGrel said:
Vape on :)
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username00 said:
I don't smell like smoke anymore since I don't smoke anymore, but I'm still addicted to nicotine. There's no way I could put myself in a situation to deal with someones texting addiction, alcohol addiction, masturbation addiction. The point is, LOTS of people have addictions. Grow a brain and stop being narrow minded. You won't have to deal with most peoples addictions unless you are so close you are sleeping together.
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This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Addiction-prone brains usually have a tendency to more violently respond to criticisms. Whether or not it's structured to defend the addiction with anger and aggression or the anger and aggression are there all along existing in conjunction with the other defects is up for debate since we don't know enough about human mental development to unravel the mystery. I think it's the latter personally since, even when not defending the addiction itself, the addiction-prone mind is a lot more likely to have unreasonable outbursts.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Addiction-prone brains usually have a tendency to more violently respond to criticisms. Whether or not it's structured to defend the addiction with anger and aggression or the anger and aggression are there all along existing in conjunction with the other defects is up for debate since we don't know enough about human mental development to unravel the mystery. I think it's the latter personally since, even when not defending the addiction itself, the addiction-prone mind is a lot more likely to have unreasonable outbursts.
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Just curious, where does a superiority-complex fit into your unifying theory of human behavior?
 
potency said:
Just curious, where does a superiority-complex fit into your unifying theory of human behavior?
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Usually right next to the inferiority complexes. :p Why do you ask? *dons a halo and plays angelic chorus background music* You don't think I'm doing something nefarious do you?
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Usually right next to the inferiority complexes. :p Why do you ask? *dons a halo and plays angelic chorus background music* You don't think I'm doing something nefarious do you?
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Well, it's an interesting dichotomy of sorts that you so openly and passionately abhor smokers, yet conversely you consider the equally open and passionate reaction of addicts to any addiction a symptom of the underlying problem.

So either you fit into the category of the "superior", or you fit in the category of the "addicted".

Or maybe you are just being funny. Speaking of which, it reminds me of a darkly amusing anecdote about everyone's favorite person of the 20th Century, that pleasant chap known as Adolf Hitler: He passionately rejected the burning of tobacco, yet passionately embraced the burning of Jews.
 
"In the lab, the e-cigs proved to be just as effective in suppressing the craving for a smoke as tobacco cigarettes were, while the amount of exhaled carbon monoxide remained at baseline levels".Source
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Yeah, I'll continue to 'Vape'.
 
potency said:
Well, it's an interesting dichotomy of sorts that you so openly and passionately abhor smokers, yet conversely you consider the equally open and passionate reaction of addicts to any addiction a symptom of the underlying problem.

So either you fit into the category of the "superior", or you fit in the category of the "addicted".

Or maybe you are just being funny. Speaking of which, it reminds me of a darkly amusing anecdote about everyone's favorite person of the 20th Century, that pleasant chap known as Adolf Hitler: He passionately rejected the burning of tobacco, yet passionately embraced the burning of Jews.
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So wait, lemme put the puzzle pieces together. You want me to be Adolf Hitler because I avoid smokers and don't like the stinky smoke smell of used books I get from Ebay or whatever. That seems...I dunno, slightly supportive of the addiction thing I was talking about earlier.
 
Just like any new craze where it pops up everywhere you look, "vape" drives me nuts.

I also love the people who say, "It's just water vapor, no harm done!" It isn't just water vapor you're inhaling, so it definitely isn't just water vapor you're exhaling, unless your tongue is some magical carburetor or something.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Just like any new craze where it pops up everywhere you look, "vape" drives me nuts.

I also love the people who say, "It's just water vapor, no harm done!" It isn't just water vapor you're inhaling, so it definitely isn't just water vapor you're exhaling, unless your tongue is some magical carburetor or something.
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As someone who has been vaping as of late, I can say that smoking makes me feel like crap. Varping on the other hand, has a far less immediate detrimental effect on how I feel.

With that being said, I never lie to myself that vaping is not unhealthy. And it definitely isn't cheaper, unless you are someone that was somking 2 packs a day. And even then, the cost difference is minimal at best.
 
TwistedAegis said:
I also love the people who say, "It's just water vapor, no harm done!" It isn't just water vapor you're inhaling, so it definitely isn't just water vapor you're exhaling, unless your tongue is some magical carburetor or something.
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It's 4 nontoxic chemicals versus those that use to smoke 7,000+ chemicals with 250+ known to directly cause cancer.

It's not as safe as breathing clean air (unlike people living in China) but it's about as safe as it can be for someone that was on their way to killing their self, smoking tobacco.

Propylene glycol, glycerin, nicotine, and artificial flavorings


  • 84.6% – 92% – Propylene Glycol & Glycerol (Varies based on juice)
  • 0% – 5.4% – Nicotine
  • 8% – 10% – Flavorings
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Let me know which one is going to kill me. I'll respond back with "nope".
 
xJ321x said:
It's 4 nontoxic chemicals versus those that use to smoke 7,000+ chemicals with 250+ known to directly cause cancer.

It's not as safe as breathing clean air (unlike people living in China) but it's about as safe as it can be for someone that was on their way to killing their self, smoking tobacco.

Let me know which one is going to kill me. I'll respond back with "nope".
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Nicotene is an irritant and a carcinogen, even when not burned.

PG is great to use externally, but the ingestion of which is questionable at best, though I will concede that is largely unstudied.

Any and all of the other additives are unknown, but something tells me that artificial mango flavoring is not healthy, for the simple fact that it is artificial. I'd wager that you could breath mango vapor your whole life and never experience any permanent irritation or damage.
 
potency said:
Nicotene is an irritant and a carcinogen, even when not burned.
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The effects of nicotine itself are similar to that other popular drug, caffeine. See our (nicotine reading list.) There is no evidence that nicotine causes any substantial risk for cancer, and the research shows that the risk for cardiovascular disease is minimal. The confusion about nicotine comes from anti-smoking activists talking about nicotine and smoking as if they were the same. While it is true that people smoke mostly because of nicotine; nicotine users die mostly because of the smoke. Source
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If dozens of human and animal studies published over the past six years are borne out by large clinical trials, nicotine — freed at last of its noxious host, tobacco, and delivered instead by chewing gum or transdermal patch — may prove to be a weirdly, improbably effective drug for relieving or preventing a variety of neurological disorders, including Parkinson’s disease, mild cognitive impairment (MCI), Tourette’s and schizophrenia. It might even improve attention and focus enough to qualify as a cognitive enhancer. And, oh yeah, it’s long been associated with weight loss, with few known safety risks. (Although, in truth, few safety studies of the increasingly popular e-cigarettes have yet been published.) Source
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This, too

PG is great to use externally, but the ingestion of which is questionable at best, though I will concede that is largely unstudied.
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There have been numerous studies on it from the 1950's onward. If you eat boxed food or any fast food, you're definitely ingesting PG. If you wash your hair, same thing. Skin is the biggest organ remember. If you've ever applied any kind of cosmetics to your skin, same thing. Have breathed in some hospitals, same thing. PG is also used by NASA (or will be) in the oxygen generators for astronauts in space. Newer water/oxygen generators are being made right now with PG used in them for the long trip to and from Mars.

Asthma inhalers, those breathing treatment machines they give long term smokers that wouldn't quit, and hospitals air filtering systems.

http://www.amazon.com/Propylene-Glycol-Food-Grade-Quart/dp/B005PZBRUC


However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals.
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For some people water and peanuts is an irritant/allergy.


http://www.vapersclub.com/pg.php

Any and all of the other additives are unknown, but something tells me that artificial mango flavoring is not healthy, for the simple fact that it is artificial. I'd wager that you could breath mango vapor your whole life and never experience any permanent irritation or damage.
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I'd wager artificial flavoring in vaping e-liquid is likely to be as dangerous as artificial flavoring in any boxed food you buy at any grocery store. If you've ever bought something in a box, it most likely had artificial flavoring.

I'm not saying that vaping or e-liquids are 100% safe (I would say 99.99% safer than inhaling burning tobacco though) but I will say that big tobacco is obviously throwing money at making ecigs look bad.

At the end of the day I'll take just 4 chemicals over 7,000+ for my bad habit.
 
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MongGrel said:
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Nice setups, those BVC coils are great. I haven't found another style of clearo that even comes close to the flavor that those produce, it wasn't until I made the jump to RBAs recently that I found anything better.

I was going to clear up some misconceptions and link to some relevant studies but xJ321x already posted enough to get someone started if they actually want to learn about it rather than display their ignorance.

I will say that flavors are the biggest risk with vapor but the big risk there is that some flavors contain enough diketones to put the vapor from 1 ml slightly above osha air quality standards, of course those standards were set for constant exposure during an entire career and popping a bag of butter flavored microwave popcorn puts the air in that room well above osha standards for diketones. Many flavors contain no detectable amounts of diketones so it is entirely avoidable.

Someone brought up natural flavors vs artificial flavors. There is liquid that uses natural flavor but it's not as common because natural flavors actually tend to be worse about containing diketones(mainly diacetyl) because it occurs naturally in many of the things you would want to extract flavor from and the extraction process can concentrate them.
 
xJ321x said:
This, too

There have been numerous studies on it from the 1950's onward. If you eat boxed food or any fast food, you're definitely ingesting PG. If you wash your hair, same thing. Skin is the biggest organ remember. If you've ever applied any kind of cosmetics to your skin, same thing. Have breathed in some hospitals, same thing. PG is also used by NASA (or will be) in the oxygen generators for astronauts in space. Newer water/oxygen generators are being made right now with PG used in them for the long trip to and from Mars.

Asthma inhalers, those breathing treatment machines they give long term smokers that wouldn't quit, and hospitals air filtering systems.

http://www.amazon.com/Propylene-Glycol-Food-Grade-Quart/dp/B005PZBRUC


For some people water and peanuts is an irritant/allergy.


http://www.vapersclub.com/pg.php

I'd wager artificial flavoring in vaping e-liquid is likely to be as dangerous as artificial flavoring in any boxed food you buy at any grocery store. If you've ever bought something in a box, it most likely had artificial flavoring.

I'm not saying that vaping or e-liquids are 100% safe (I would say 99.99% safer than inhaling burning tobacco though) but I will say that big tobacco is obviously throwing money at making ecigs look bad.

At the end of the day I'll take just 4 chemicals over 7,000+ for my bad habit.
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Touché on the negative aspects on nicotene. Though FWIW, I try not to eat processed things like cereal, because I don't completely trust ingesting artificial things. Yet, I vape and eat donuts, go figure.


CreepyUncleGoogle said:
So wait, lemme put the puzzle pieces together. You want me to be Adolf Hitler because I avoid smokers and don't like the stinky smoke smell of used books I get from Ebay or whatever. That seems...I dunno, slightly supportive of the addiction thing I was talking about earlier.
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Nice try. You're intently ignoring my gist. It's funny that you see smokers as less of a person than yourself, yet you use that same reaction to smokers to support your theory of an addictive personality. If you've had your battle with vices that's all fine and dandy, no one here is to judge. But if you haven't, you're presenting a textbook demonstration of hypocrisy. But what do I know, I came here to chew Valium and kick some ass, and I'm all out of Valium.
 
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I've been smoking for 15 months, stupid decision. I've always hated smoking but something clicked in me to start smoking cigars then I moved to cigarettes.

I quickly moved to a clearomizer setup, specifically a Kanger eVod. I always go for Vegetable Glycol (VG). My understanding is the Kanger eVod used to be a pretty popular setup but there are other options out there like dual coil setups and I've yet to look into it.

In terms of commercial e-cigarettes, things sold in brick & mortar stores, they tend to suck. The Vuse e-cigarretes are just as expensive but their liquid is of low quality, their cartridges are proprietary like inkjet cartridges (tried to refill with juice from clearomizer). I also bought my mother a first generation NJOY e-cigarette but most long-term, hardcore smokers find it hard to transititon from the taste of those dirty chemicals to the four or five from "vaping". I usually use 18-25mg solution, no flavor (the flavors for the eVod tanks tend to weaken the plastic material for some reason, not sure if this is true of other tanks of other e-cigarette platforms)

That being said, does anyone have any recommendations on a cigarette-thin size e-cigarette/vape? Or a clearomizer that might be better than the Kanger eVod or similar style? I wish I had something a bit less bulky but in the size of a cigarette.

The addition of the word 'vape' into the dictionary is retarded. I would not be surprised if the anti-smoking and/or pro-smoking industries had something to do with it. They're trying to make e-cigarettes vogue. They will be vogue given the price of cigarettes in certain states with insane taxes and the fact that it is more healthy for you than regular old cigarettes.
 
potency said:
Nice try. You're intently ignoring my gist. It's funny that you see smokers as less of a person than yourself, yet you use that same reaction to smokers to support your theory of an addictive personality. If you've had your battle with vices that's all fine and dandy, no one here is to judge. But if you haven't, you're presenting a textbook demonstration of hypocrisy. But what do I know, I came here to chew Valium and kick some ass, and I'm all out of Valium.
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No, I'm not missing the point. I'm just summarizing it in a way that puts it into a different perspective to help you understand how silly you sound by trying to make that sort of association and how that actively contributes to my previous comments about people resorting to weirdly absurd ways of defending themselves when they have an addiction-prone mind.

Sooo, how is it hypocrisy to not have an addicted vice and comment about the personal desire to avoid people who are because of how bad they and the things they own sometimes smell? Where's there even a linkage between those two things? I think you're just throwing out negative sounding accusations to, once again, angrily oppose something even though you really don't understand what you're saying or what I was getting at to begin with.

Here's a simple summary:

1. Smokers smell bad (usually) and their used books also smell bad (usually). I've had experiences with both of those things so I avoid smokers whenever possible or try to pretend they don't exist which helps discourage them from approaching me because, seriously, there's nothing at all more gross than a stinky smoker coming up to you and trying to put on whatever charms to talk to you. Bleah! I'd rather talk to someone with a beard, honestly and that's going really, really far down the ladder of people I'd willingly speak with.

2. Addicted people tend to get really irate in defense of their addictions when they think they're being attacked. That's proven in this thread because, even though I outright said that I disagree that smokers should be insulted or made fun of for something that's probably just genetically broken or is caused by childhood developmental stunting, they're still humans and don't deserve to be insulted for something they rarely can help. Yes, legal discrimination is perfectly okay like insisting they leave public places or even extending a job offer to an equally qualified non-smoker just to get the added benefit of more work and fewer smoke breaks, but insulting them? No way, that's mean and is no better than insulting a person you went to school with for wearing generic shoes because their parents are lower class and don't know how to manage their money or just never worked very hard to improve their economic situation.

3. (I'm adding this one because it needs to be said so you're not all ruffled and upset.) The vapor thing seems like a good idea. It's still socially awkward and addictive, but it seems like it's less harmful to innocent people around the addicted person. I'm totally supportive of it and will continue to be unless we find out that the chemicals in them are harmful to people around them. (Personally, IDC if it kills the person using it as long as it won't hurt people who don't have the addiction defect. That's totally up to them and even though the addiction tendency is probably in-born, its still their choice to give in to their less sensible urges and suck on some plastic stick thing.) Honestly, I wonder if little kids who get pacifiers as babies are the ones that have a smoking thing in adulthood. There's an oral fixation in them for a long time and it'd be interesting if someone did a study on that.
 
I smoked for 12 years then Vaped for 3 years. It helped me quit smoking, I'm happy, I was a 2 pack a day smoker most of that 12 years. I vape occasionally now with minimal nicotine, I can go days and even weeks without it. It was cheaper to vape for me than smoke, since when I was vaping full time I think it only costed me $80 a month on juice while smoking costed me around $220. Now I barely go through 15ml of juice a month which is like $9.

All I can say is I'm glad vaping worked for me. Not sure if it's unhealthy to vape, but after a month after quitting smoking I started feeling amazing. Right now I feel better than I did in my late teens-20's and I'm in my 30's.
 
Lmah2x said:
I smoked for 12 years then Vaped for 3 years. It helped me quit smoking, I'm happy, I was a 2 pack a day smoker most of that 12 years. I vape occasionally now with minimal nicotine, I can go days and even weeks without it. It was cheaper to vape for me than smoke, since when I was vaping full time I think it only costed me $80 a month on juice while smoking costed me around $220. Now I barely go through 15ml of juice a month which is like $9.

All I can say is I'm glad vaping worked for me. Not sure if it's unhealthy to vape, but after a month after quitting smoking I started feeling amazing. Right now I feel better than I did in my late teens-20's and I'm in my 30's.
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posts like this really make me want to grab a vaporizer. I'm almost 30 myself, been smoking since i was 17.
 
chockomonkey said:
posts like this really make me want to grab a vaporizer. I'm almost 30 myself, been smoking since i was 17.
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I have about an extra 10 years on you and started smoking at 14, I had never been able to make it 48 hours without a smoke using gum or patches. I started vaping less than 2 months ago and haven't had a smoke in over a month. It wasn't easy but compared to other attempts it was extremely easy and I'm enjoying the fact that I can breathe again, my sense of smell and taste is improving, and I don't have to worry about stinking from the smoke.
 
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