Apple 5k Display

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Looks like Apple announced their 5k iMac today
(which I am assuming is using the same panel as the Dell 5k display?)

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Good news for anyone wanting a new Apple Cinema display. My assumption is we will see a new cinema display shortly, great for anyone who loves the aesthetics and high gloss of the previous models.
 
Isn't the web going to look like shit on these? And I've already been burned by their Cinema Display. Worst fucking black levels I've ever seen. Never again.
 
meh, screen is nice...rest of the specs are kinda garbage for 2500 US. It's pretty much a big ipad now with a keyboard.
 
meh, screen is nice...rest of the specs are kinda garbage for 2500 US. It's pretty much a big ipad now with a keyboard.

I heard the Dell 5K monitor will cost $2500, so considering this is a 5K screen + full computer, it's not actually a bad price...
 
Apple is very lucky to have customers who will pay such a ridiculous price for this. A small percentage of users may be able to take advantage of it, the average office or home user doesn't need it.
 
Apple is very lucky to have customers who will pay such a ridiculous price for this. A small percentage of users may be able to take advantage of it, the average office or home user doesn't need it.

Guys the Dell monitor of this is $2500


Considering Apple tax this is a damn steal!!!!!



I would buy one if this supported a display input like the older iMacs did :confused:
 
Isn't the web going to look like shit on these? And I've already been burned by their Cinema Display. Worst fucking black levels I've ever seen. Never again.

More or less. The ppi is the only redeeming factor, and that's pretty much counteracted by the display using edge-to-edge glass; so expect a mirror with poor black levels.
 
My bet that one CAN play games on these .. but most probably only if using 1/4 resolution (2560x1440) will bring somewhat acceptable frame rates with gpu-s those are shipped with, leaving full res only for work and maybe movies. AFAIK macosx has less problems with text/ui high dpi scaling, so working on this screen should be somewhat acceptable even despite it being that high, unlike with other small display size high dpi 4K offerings used with windows.
 
Pretty nice if you got the cabbage

I loved all the space a t221 gave me, but didn't care for the antiglare coat...this is even better than that + a decent computer inside
 
A lot of people in this thread seem to be missing the point. If you've spent any time on a Retina MacBook Pro you'll understand that OS X handles scaling quite well.

My bet that one CAN play games on these .. but most probably only if using 1/4 resolution (2560x1440) will bring somewhat acceptable frame rates with gpu-s those are shipped with, leaving full res only for work and maybe movies. AFAIK macosx has less problems with text/ui high dpi scaling, so working on this screen should be somewhat acceptable even despite it being that high, unlike with other small display size high dpi 4K offerings used with windows.


Agreed: With these high PPI monitors, people need to move past the idea of always operating at native resolution.

Gaming on this monitor at 2560x1440 will be nearly equivalent to gaming on a 27" 2560x1440 monitor. Scaling is trivial, because the native 5K resolution is just double the resolution of 2560x1440 in both dimensions.

Then when you're done gaming, drop back in to the desktop at full 5K resolution. It's not as though you're missing out on anything relative to a a normal 27" monitor. In fact, it's much better to have the option of running at the higher resolution for desktop work.
 
Isn't the web going to look like shit on these?.

No. :confused:

Next time you're near an Apple store, stop in and take a look at the retina MacBook Pro. It handles scaling way, way better than you would expect. It's essentially transparent scaling, and it's nothing like UI scaling on Windows.
 
Apple is very lucky to have customers who will pay such a ridiculous price for this. A small percentage of users may be able to take advantage of it, the average office or home user doesn't need it.

:confused:

A lot of people seem to be missing the point here. The Retina MacBook Pro is a hugely popular at roughly the same price point.

iMacs are all over the place these days. My office is full of them.

Retina resolutions aren't strictly necessary for the average home or office user, but they are certainly quite nice. The additional resolution is an immediately apparent improvement in any retina-enabled application, which is most of the common applications these days.

Seriously, this is a huge improvement. And the $2.5K price point is equivalent to buying the Dell 5K monitor alone, but this comes with a full computer. This is a really good deal.
 
Mine is already ordered. Go look at a Retina MacBook. You'll see why these are amazing. OS X scales perfectly. You can set the display at pretty much any res you want and it looks very good. From "large icons" to 1:1 resolution, you select what you want when you want it. I can't wait to get it in. Reviews are already gushing over the display.
 
Gaming on this monitor at 2560x1440 will be nearly equivalent to gaming on a 27" 2560x1440 monitor. Scaling is trivial, because the native 5K resolution is just double the resolution of 2560x1440 in both dimensions.

Gaming at 2560x1440 with mobile GPUs is not going to be a pleasant experience -- you'll struggle to get 60fps in most games even at 1080p, nevermind 1440p. If you spend any significant time gaming, this is a really bad purchase for $2500, especially since it lacks Target Display Mode, which means you won't be able to use it as an external monitor for a better machine, unlike current imacs.

If it had TDM it would be a really aggressively priced option compared to the Dell 5K. For gaming and general desktop use, you're much better off spending $1500-$2000 on hardware and serious GPUs and getting a Korean 1440p monitor, or the Asus ROG PG278Q, or well, many things. On the other hand, if you just want a super high ppi display for work/occasional light gaming and you don't care about price, then the imac is pretty great. The very weak hardware just limits it very sharply.
 
Oh wow a whole computer with a 27" 5K? Surely the same panel as the Dell 27" 5K. Dell cannot sell just a monitor for the same price as this whole PC eh? That would make no sense.
 
Are Apple users actually this delusional? On what planet does OS X upscale web graphics without perceivable loss of quality?

By the way, I actually own a MacBook Pro with a high-DPI display. That's how I know the web browsing is going to look like shit, and it's a huge part of the reason why I would run it at native resolution with no scaling.
 
Are Apple users actually this delusional? On what planet does OS X upscale web graphics without perceivable loss of quality?

By the way, I actually own a MacBook Pro with a high-DPI display. That's how I know the web browsing is going to look like shit, and it's a huge part of the reason why I would run it at native resolution with no scaling.

No. We're not delusional. We use them every day. I rarely run my rMBP in "native" mode and have no issues at all. Not sure what the problem is on your side, honestly.
 
Are Apple users actually this delusional? On what planet does OS X upscale web graphics without perceivable loss of quality?

By the way, I actually own a MacBook Pro with a high-DPI display. That's how I know the web browsing is going to look like shit, and it's a huge part of the reason why I would run it at native resolution with no scaling.

Hmm, that is strange. You should look in to your settings and/or browser versions, because retina browsing is really just fine for everyone else at this point. Early versions of non-Safari browsers were definitely rough around the edges, but this problem has been solved for a long time now.

Many major websites even support 2x (aka retina) image assets natively, which means you're getting higher-resolution images on those web sites.

If you're having a problem, you're either far more picky than the average user or your settings/versions are wrong.
 
Oh wow a whole computer with a 27" 5K? Surely the same panel as the Dell 27" 5K. Dell cannot sell just a monitor for the same price as this whole PC eh? That would make no sense.

Dell was first to market and, presumably, sells very, very few of those boutique-level monitors relative to the number of iMacs that Apple moves each year.

I would guess Apple moves ~5 orders of magnitude more iMacs than Dell sells 5K monitors. The 5K monitor is a really boutique item with poor hardware and software support. The iMac is a well-integrated solution with end-to-end support for that high resolution.

Apple has a history of leveraging their volumes to get special prices on otherwise boutique components. Take a look at the Mac Pro and the custom dual FirePro cards, for example. They're a customized part just for Apple, but they still deliver a lot of bang for the buck that other vendors (Dell, etc.) don't have access to.
 
Although I do not own a MacBook or iMac, I have played around with them and yes, OSX does handle scaling very well, to the current envy of Windows users. It is my hope that Windows 10 follows in the same footsteps, as by this time next year, it will be needed as 4K floods the market.

In fact, OSX's scaling ability is what will make this 5K work at the moment, because let's face it you're not going to do any high quality gaming or movie watching at 5K (or 4K for that matter) with a mobile 290X/295X variant running at *native* resolution. But with Apple's custom tcon and other tweaking, I have no doubt it'll work.

Which brings me to my next point- although the base price is set at $2499, you're really talking $3199-$3599. If you want to experience 5K, might as well go full gusto and build it with i7, M295X, and at least 16GB of RAM.
 
On what planet does OS X upscale web graphics without perceivable loss of quality?

a 100x100 image displayed on a 100dpi display

looks similar to

that image upscaled using nearest-neighbor resampling to 200x200 on a 200dpi display

looks slightly better than

that image upscaled using bilinear resampling to 200x200 on a 200dpi display


i have no idea how things are resampled in os x/safari, but i know for sure there is nothing fancy going on other than just simultaneously doubling dpi and resolution.
 
Apple is very lucky to have customers who will pay such a ridiculous price for this. A small percentage of users may be able to take advantage of it, the average office or home user doesn't need it.

lol, while us PC users are still waiting for a decent 60Hz 4K monitor with better Windows scaling.
Don't point to Dell monitors because the community already demonstrated they aren't worth having.

I'll buy this if I wasn't as mobile, but I'm interested in the standalone display when released.
 
Do people actually think this is overpriced? It's a 5k AIO for $2500...

Exactly. I was expecting a 4K display today... Thought there was no way they'd do a 5K and it be under $4K starting. I think it's a fine deal. Ordered it the minute the store went live.
 
... but I'm interested in the standalone display when released.

See, I have a feeling a standalone 5K Cinema Display isn't going to happen any time soon.

For the 5K iMac, Apple made their own TCON and coupled it with an overclocked DP1.2 circuit (which violates the DP standards, but doesn't matter since this is an AIO), to be able to drive 5K using SST. But, the caveat is that the 5K iMac cannot be used as an external display.

This makes me think that with the current design/tech possibilities, you can't have a 5K standalone display capable of running using SST. And I seriously doubt Apple would release an MST display.
 
This looks reeeeally nice, and a relatively good deal to boot! Going to have to see this one in action.
 
Abeit costing $250 more (and I wouldn't touch one of these without an SSD and at least 16gb of ram) 4ghz-4.4ghz turbo i7 is a nice upgrade too.
 
This would have been an amazing price if this new iMac still supported target display mode.
 
This would have been an amazing price if this new iMac still supported target display mode.

iMac's still support it - but only with machines with a thunderbolt port IIRC.
 
I would have parted with my money already on one of these if they had updated the thunderbolt display with 5K but guessing as Thunderbolt is only 20Gb/s that would need upgrading first so for now I'll be sticking with my 2011 iMac :(
 
iMac's still support it - but only with machines with a thunderbolt port IIRC.

Not this new Retina model. Even TB2 doesnt have the bandwidth for 5k and it is missing from the specs page ("old" iMac still has it).
 
Not this new Retina model. Even TB2 doesnt have the bandwidth for 5k and it is missing from the specs page ("old" iMac still has it).

Ah, you're right. Anandtech confirms it as well.

Too bad. Hopefully the next TB spec allows for this.
 
How are people here still not getting it?

2500 dollars is the price of the entire freaking computer. Not just the display !! The display alone should cost far less than the quoted 2500 dollars.
None of these display makers LG samsung dell etc will even remotely attempt to release a non tn 5k display for anything less than an absolute rip off. In fact Asus the great charges close to a grand for freaking tn.

Dell the great wants 2500 only for the display. Soak on that for moment. Apple was so famous for being overpriced till today. This though is a major turn around.
 
Dell the great wants 2500 only for the display. Soak on that for moment. Apple was so famous for being overpriced till today. This though is a major turn around.

Yes, the new iMac does seem very well forward looking and very, very well priced. Curious to see if this is overbearing negotiating by Apple using their corporate weight to further squeeze suppliers, or cutting their margins slightly to push more product, or both.

So far it looks like they nailed it, I'm curious on an Apple product for the first time.
 
OS can upscale pretty welll according to the reports upto 5K. If pricing is on par with a only monitor DELL, run dont walk and get this.

On a sidenote, love the Apple Haters come out from under their rocks to throw out blanket statements....LMAO lets throw any statement at the ceiling and see whats sticks :)
 
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