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By flight attendants.
And they can unban anything they want, and flight attendants who don't like it can go find another job.
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Flight Attendants Want to Reinstate Gadget Ban
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Air travel is a privilege and not a right I would agree ... I generally favor the rights of the employers over the rights of the employees and the airlines want this ... it is good to have people using devices because they are more likely to purchase the in-flight WiFi (which is fairly economical for most routes and highly profitable for the airline)
The FAA gave the airlines the right to choose on the devices and they have ... this choice happened to work out in favor of the passengers ... other things like more closely packed seats and baggage fees (which do not favor the passenger) are also equally appropriate and for folks that don't like those aspects of air travel they should pursue surface transportation instead
I imagine you really know that he was referring to the rude, self-absorbed, self important, arrogant & childish jackarse passengers that throw baby temper tantrums is they're politely asked to momentarily disable their mobile devices. But yeah, something must be done about those Nazi flight attendants...
What airline are you flying? I've been a frequent flyer for years and can count the number of rude jackass passengers on one hand. Most of us who like this just politely ignore the FA because we have heard it 100 times before. It isn't being self-absorbed anything like that.Just because you fly once every 5 years for vacation doesn't mean everyone else there is there for a party.
Because Southwest is actually a decent airline and guaranteed to fly Boeing aircrafts?
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I have seen a lot of poorly behaved passengers. I can see why the flight attendants have a gripe or two. Major offenses:
-Refuses to turn off the device after they are instructed to. Yeah, we had to go back to the terminal once because of an asshole on a flight I was on.
-Feels the need to make a phone call before they are supposed to. Really? Can you even hear someone with all the commotion that happens at landing?
-Asshole who decides they can cut in line. Sorry, my briefcase accidentally hit you in the nuts...
-Passengers feel they have a right to be asses with the attendants. They are just trying to do their job. If you are nice to them, you might get an extra half can of soda (or even a better seat on the plane)
Air travel as a whole sucks. The seats are too small, planes are overcrowded. Asshole passengers make it worse. If only I could afford first class - sitting up in front all smug behind their curtains. When I walk down past them, I wish I had gas so I could leave them a little something behind
-Refuses to turn off the device after they are instructed to. Yeah, we had to go back to the terminal once because of an asshole on a flight I was on.
-Feels the need to make a phone call before they are supposed to. Really? Can you even hear someone with all the commotion that happens at landing?
-Asshole who decides they can cut in line. Sorry, my briefcase accidentally hit you in the nuts...
-Passengers feel they have a right to be asses with the attendants. They are just trying to do their job. If you are nice to them, you might get an extra half can of soda (or even a better seat on the plane)
Air travel as a whole sucks. The seats are too small, planes are overcrowded. Asshole passengers make it worse. If only I could afford first class - sitting up in front all smug behind their curtains. When I walk down past them, I wish I had gas so I could leave them a little something behind
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I have seen a lot of poorly behaved passengers. I can see why the flight attendants have a gripe or two. Major offenses:
-Refuses to turn off the device after they are instructed to. Yeah, we had to go back to the terminal once because of an asshole on a flight I was on.
-Feels the need to make a phone call before they are supposed to. Really? Can you even hear someone with all the commotion that happens at landing?
-Asshole who decides they can cut in line. Sorry, my briefcase accidentally hit you in the nuts...
-Passengers feel they have a right to be asses with the attendants. They are just trying to do their job. If you are nice to them, you might get an extra half can of soda (or even a better seat on the plane)
Air travel as a whole sucks. The seats are too small, planes are overcrowded. Asshole passengers make it worse. If only I could afford first class - sitting up in front all smug behind their curtains. When I walk down past them, I wish I had gas so I could leave them a little something behind
I agree there are some obnoxious people on planes but it works all ways ... it isn't just the business traveler who is annoying ... the regular traveler who is trying to push two large carryons into the overhead bins because they didn't want to spend the $30 for a checked bag ... the people all crowding around the boarding lanes and blocking the people who get to board first ... these are annoying too ... I do agree with you that being rude to the service personnel is both bad manners and unprofessional
One note on the first class travelers, not all of them are the 1%'ers ... a fair amount are just business travelers who are getting upgraded due to their travel status ... my job has had me fly 48 flight legs this year (so far) ... I think I will finish out the year at 60 legs (so I can at least get an upgrade on my frequent flier status) ... if you travel all the time then you want as many amenities as you can get (seats, boarding privileges, etc) because you have earned it from the amount of time and money you have spent with the airline
What an idiotic point of view. You are a customer paying for a service, and not wanting to have fucktarded rules in place that serve no purpose is not a sense of entitlement, its COMMON sense.
I suppose if there was a rule that said no electronic devices were allowed at restaurants or on train rides because the Union of Janitors voted against it, you would say "Yes Masters, Your Wish is My Command. Shall I store said electronic device Securely in my Anus?"
And how is some guy reading on his iPad or laptop or wearing headphones a disturbance to the other passengers? If you want to ban objects that are loud and distracting, then require that children be stored in the overhead bins.
I didn't even bother reading all the posts in this thread... assuming most don't know jack about serious, high mileage air-travel. Well, a few of you understand what I'm referring to.
So...
The pilots, attendants, and TSA-works are by-and-large decent folks.
What seriously annoys me are the following:
- politically-driven 'security theater' that can't even manage to keep Texas free of ebola
- the damn-fucking-disgusting nose-pickers sitting next to me on a 3 hour flight
- dumbass rules interfering with interstate/international travel...
So, get angry at the uniform and not the person inside. They need the job/money and often find their sort of work damn miserable and made worse by political agenda and inconsiderate travelers.
P.S.
I left obese travelers off the list because they're just fat. They're not rude and it's better to let the fucking airlines know the seats ARE TOO FUCKING SMALL. These fat bastards shove this absurdity in-hour-face. Hopefully travel drops by anothre 20% and pushes for changes to shitty travel conditions.
So...
The pilots, attendants, and TSA-works are by-and-large decent folks.
What seriously annoys me are the following:
- politically-driven 'security theater' that can't even manage to keep Texas free of ebola
- the damn-fucking-disgusting nose-pickers sitting next to me on a 3 hour flight
- dumbass rules interfering with interstate/international travel...
So, get angry at the uniform and not the person inside. They need the job/money and often find their sort of work damn miserable and made worse by political agenda and inconsiderate travelers.
P.S.
I left obese travelers off the list because they're just fat. They're not rude and it's better to let the fucking airlines know the seats ARE TOO FUCKING SMALL. These fat bastards shove this absurdity in-hour-face. Hopefully travel drops by anothre 20% and pushes for changes to shitty travel conditions.
None of which will be a problem once the stupid gadget ban is overturned. And if you want to have a "no speaking" rule while the flight attendant is giving their stupid song and dance that could just as easily be on a prerecorded message on your LCD panel at the start of each flight, and is also on the pamphlet in the seat pocket in front of you, and also clearly labeled on the aircraft itself, and happens to be the same as it was when you were on the same airplane three days ago on the flight to your destination, that's perfectly fine.
But they aren't talking about a "no speaking" rule where they ask passengers and children to shut the fuck up, they are talking about a no gadgets rule. There is nothing wrong with silent gadgets.
The seats are small to keep costs down, and just like it costs X-dollars for every pound you launch into orbit, it also costs X-dollars to fly every pound you lift into the air on an aircraft. We need to implement a more fair system whereby you are charged based on a combination of how many seats you occupy and your weight.
A small child consumes an entire seat but weighs less, and so should be charged less. A fatass that needs the width of two seats else her jelly rolls spill into the adjacent seat needs to be required to purchase two seats, and then that weight divided by each seat cost.
Its not hard to implement, just have people weighed at the same stations that weigh their baggage, and its not "discriminatory" as the cost of flying is directly related to how heavy they are to lift into the air, and its unfair to charge a 100 pound woman in one seat the same as a 200 pound man in one seat the same as a 400 pound woman in two seats.
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Why does it matter? Anything happens to the plane, you're probably dead regardless of whether you're paying attention. Why not go out doing something you enjoy?
I'd actually be okay with there not being any flight attendants. Unless it's a long flight, I don't care if I get a drink, and I don't enjoy being bossed around by a cocktail waitress.
Fuck that, they are glorified waitresses. They have been granted WAY too much authority and power over passengers. They have NO STANDING in this issue , and should be silent.
What a bunch of idiot replies . . . A Flight Attendent is there to help save your life in a survivable crash (that is their real job). They serve the same function as a Fireman or Policeman, saving your life in a situation where you are too stupid or in shock to know what to do. They have sacrificed their own lives to save others just as Firemen and Policemen have. A "what the F is wrong with you" would be my response if I had a face to face conversaion with some of the posters of this thread.
The whole issue centers around people paying attention to their surroundings for their own survivability during the times it matters the most. 92% of fatalities occur getting to and from cruising which clearly means that's the times of the flight you need to pay attention. The survival rate on aircraft involved in fatal accidents carrying 10+ passengers for the decade of the 2000's was 24% so people do live in commercial crashes. In fact if you subtract the crashes that were not survivable at all then your survivability percentage goes up considerably. The "you are going to die anyway" remarks show just how moronic some of the posters are. Paying attention means knowing which escape route to take (forward or back) and how many seats you are from that escape door. There is a chance you might not be able to see anything due to smoke which is another good reason having a Fight Attendent there giving a verbal command so you can HEAR where to go is so important. Being an idiot by not paying attention to your surroundings and knowing what exactly to do when seconds can mean the difference between life or death simply gets other people killed because YOU are in their way from escaping as quickly as possible. If you want to kill yourself, please do it before you embark, just don't be the idiot killing others because your entertainment needs seem more important.
The whole issue centers around people paying attention to their surroundings for their own survivability during the times it matters the most. 92% of fatalities occur getting to and from cruising which clearly means that's the times of the flight you need to pay attention. The survival rate on aircraft involved in fatal accidents carrying 10+ passengers for the decade of the 2000's was 24% so people do live in commercial crashes. In fact if you subtract the crashes that were not survivable at all then your survivability percentage goes up considerably. The "you are going to die anyway" remarks show just how moronic some of the posters are. Paying attention means knowing which escape route to take (forward or back) and how many seats you are from that escape door. There is a chance you might not be able to see anything due to smoke which is another good reason having a Fight Attendent there giving a verbal command so you can HEAR where to go is so important. Being an idiot by not paying attention to your surroundings and knowing what exactly to do when seconds can mean the difference between life or death simply gets other people killed because YOU are in their way from escaping as quickly as possible. If you want to kill yourself, please do it before you embark, just don't be the idiot killing others because your entertainment needs seem more important.
You are going to have people bash you because you have an articulate and well thought out point of view, but Fuck'em the will probably die because they are too stupid to pay attention to the "glorified" waitress.
The article in no way says that the items are an engineering danger so any of you that implied that are idiots.
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Such an infintessimally small number of plane crashes are even survivable that everything you said here just strikes me as idiotic. A cocktail waitress isn't going to save your life when the plane bursts into flames or the cabin loses pressure and everyone passes out.
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If airlines really want to save lives they should take what they pay the cocktail waitresses and give every passenger and ejection seat with a parachute. That would actually save lives.
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Just look at military aircraft. The military knows that if anythign goes wrong with a plane, teh only way to survive is to get the F out of there. That's why all of their aircraft have ejection seats and/or parachutes.
Bassmankr, give me a break. Flying is extremely routine and safe, and you're full of shit as only 2% of accidents/fatalities occur on takeoff and landing.
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm
I know, stupid facts, always getting in the way of our opinions. And this is something that the aircraft designers, pilots, engineers, and aircraft manufacturers have taken into account to finally lift the ban, as its completely senseless and does not harm. To have that overturned by glorified cocktail waitresses is a whole new level of stupidity, and to put them on the level of policemen and firefighters is absolutely ridiculous. They don't have very specialized training, they aren't required or expected to have much understanding of the technology involved in safely flying an aircraft, and have a series of very simple repetitive tasks to do on each flight, and as such need to step down and stop pretending that their opinions on this subject matter. There are actual engineers and people that study accidents and the like that create the procedures that the stewardesses follow, and if they are saying its perfectly fine to have running gadgets on the plane, who the hell are the cart pushers to try and veto that?
I'm not a brain surgeon, so if I see someone on an operating table with their skull cracked open, I'm not going to lean over while chewing some bubble gum and offer my opinion, because I recognize I'm unqualified to do so.
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm
I know, stupid facts, always getting in the way of our opinions. And this is something that the aircraft designers, pilots, engineers, and aircraft manufacturers have taken into account to finally lift the ban, as its completely senseless and does not harm. To have that overturned by glorified cocktail waitresses is a whole new level of stupidity, and to put them on the level of policemen and firefighters is absolutely ridiculous. They don't have very specialized training, they aren't required or expected to have much understanding of the technology involved in safely flying an aircraft, and have a series of very simple repetitive tasks to do on each flight, and as such need to step down and stop pretending that their opinions on this subject matter. There are actual engineers and people that study accidents and the like that create the procedures that the stewardesses follow, and if they are saying its perfectly fine to have running gadgets on the plane, who the hell are the cart pushers to try and veto that?
I'm not a brain surgeon, so if I see someone on an operating table with their skull cracked open, I'm not going to lean over while chewing some bubble gum and offer my opinion, because I recognize I'm unqualified to do so.
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Yea, except for military transport aircraft. I've ridden in several C130's and C17s in my lifetime, not once was there enough parachutes for everyone in the event of an emergency. Ejection seats are mainly for when there's an SA-20 breathing down your ass and the only thing the pilot can do is eject.
This graphic directly from that link contradicts your 2% statement.
Sounds like a speech from the FA's union president at contract time.
My bad, I glanced at the graph and saw 1% at each end, nevertheless, with odds of dying in an aircraft accident being around one in twenty million the point stands. The people responsible for creating the safety guidelines for the aircraft have decided the risk is negligible, and the FAA, safety engineers, aircraft manufacturers, and the like shouldn't be overruled by self-important flight attendants. If they want to chime in with what types of drinks are easier to pour that customer's prefer, by all means they should be consulted.
Yep, 56% of the fatal crashes occur within the first three minutes or last 10 minutes of the flight and another 12% on the ground (the whole point of the electronics ban during that time period). NTSB has a pdf with more detailed figures with a simple google search.
As for fatal commercial crashes where nobody survives, that happens less than 20% of the time. You have to look at the statistics carefully though as the NTSB lists death by fire post crash separately in some of it's postings.
As for fatal commercial crashes where nobody survives, that happens less than 20% of the time. You have to look at the statistics carefully though as the NTSB lists death by fire post crash separately in some of it's postings.
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While I tend to agree with you..Going to be blunt..The Gay guys are by far the most entertaining and give overwhelmingly better service. Quite honestly I've found most "good looking female" FA's offer the least stellar service as they have the attitude of "I'm hot so I don't have to care". As for the weight thing, stop flying coach?
I kid..yes I agree. If they are bigger than the cart that is a problem.This thread went on way longer than it needed to. If you can't turn off a device for several 10 minutes when other people's lives and consideration may be on your shoulders, you need to re-evaluation your jackass level.
And you don't want to be bossed around by a glorified cocktail waitress? Douchebag much? You "take orders" from all sorts of people who you probably consider beneath you, on a daily basis. Sit where you want in a restaurant? Stop at a red light?
There are people who complain about how stupid other people are, but some of *those* people are the stupid ones who are contributing to the low state of affairs.
Act like you would want everyone else to act around you. And yes, that includes those other real people working their jobs that you're talking down about on Internet forums.
And you don't want to be bossed around by a glorified cocktail waitress? Douchebag much? You "take orders" from all sorts of people who you probably consider beneath you, on a daily basis. Sit where you want in a restaurant? Stop at a red light?
There are people who complain about how stupid other people are, but some of *those* people are the stupid ones who are contributing to the low state of affairs.
Act like you would want everyone else to act around you. And yes, that includes those other real people working their jobs that you're talking down about on Internet forums.
Lith1um, believe it or not unions do lobby on your behalf too. The Pilots union tried to get cockpits with real locked doors repeately for a decade prior to 9-11 but the airlines didn't want to pay for it. This was the biggest factor in 9-11 even happening and why the first act of Congress after the attack was to give the airline industry immunity from lawsuit over it (pretty clear negligence). My only connection to the airlines is that my cousin who was a pilot for United at the time got assigned by dumb luck to the flight to Chicago instead of one of the other two flights out of Boston that went down (all the flights left at about the same time).
That used to be the case with Singapore Airlines. Back when I lived over there, the stewardesses were actually chosen by winning beauty pageants which was broadcast on one of the few channels available on TV... and they were proper pageants, not like American ones where people have to pretend it matters what they think about world hunger, they were just beauty contests that evaluated... gasp... beauty! They got a cash prize and job, which was high demand since it was simple that just about anyone could do, but had decent pay around $10 an hour at the time but with all expenses paid (overnight stays, food, clothes, housing, wash, etc). They wore these sexy skin tight chipows with really long slits up the leg, and no such thing as a male stewardess.
Lately though, flying domestic at least, you get a really uppity gay flight attendant that is way too sassy with a blatantly fake smile and politeness.
Just like every other standard bell curve...thought you were an engineer?
It is amazing what people will say when they can hide behind some computer screen. I'd like to see them say that to the face of a flight attendant. Only *ussies hide behind a screen to talk crap about people who they think are beneath them. So long as someone is working a honest living and isn't chronically relying on the taxpayer teet to get them through their entire life, they do not deserve to have their job denigrated.
What an idiotic point of view. You are a customer paying for a service, and not wanting to have fucktarded rules in place that serve no purpose is not a sense of entitlement, its COMMON sense.
I suppose if there was a rule that said no electronic devices were allowed at restaurants or on train rides because the Union of Janitors voted against it, you would say "Yes Masters, Your Wish is My Command. Shall I store said electronic device Securely in my Anus?"
And how is some guy reading on his iPad or laptop or wearing headphones a disturbance to the other passengers? If you want to ban objects that are loud and distracting, then require that children be stored in the overhead bins.
Seriously? You are a customer, paying for a ride. On someone else's aircraft. Their rules. And if a restaurant wanted to ban whatever device they wanted for whatever reason they want it is their right to do so. Just because you are paying someone for a service does not mean that as a customer you in any way own any part of that service. That "I am the customer, I'll do what I want while you kiss my butt" attitude is exactly the problem. I do like the idea of the children in the overhead bins though.
So if a new San Francisco train service required you to anchor yourself in your seat by sitting on a 6" phallus screwed to the bench, you'd gladly do so and anyone that complained about it would be an over-entitled asshole and its their train they can do what they want? Don't like it, don't ride trains? Really?
C'mon, the customer dictates what is and isn't acceptable to them, and the business complies. Stand up for yourself, unless you personally support electronics bans which is your prerogative.
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Nope, the business dictates what is and isn't acceptable. The customer decides if they wanna pay the business to provide the service or product given the terms and conditions under which it's being provided.
Nah this is bullshit, as a customer you are entitled some rights of your own, such as the right to get what you paid for without unreasonable restrictions. Besides, nobody is breaking any rules here. We have been obeying this stupid no electronics rule for decades and the rule was changed. Now flight attendants want it changed back, and I sincerely doubt it has anything to do with their concerns for passengers while they sit buckled in a private crew area of the plane almost completely out of sight. My guess is the overturn just irks them on some personal level for some reason. Basically they're just being assholes.
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Seriously? I've been on airplanes before and people totally suck. Giving them devices just makes them suck tons more because they think their screen gives them permission to be inconsiderate to everyone else.
A few things.
Flight instrumentation reside in faraday cages in all new and I would estimate 99.9% of all commercial aircraft in use today. So the rouge signal fear mongering is nothing by fear mongering.
Pilots use tablets in the cockpit to read airport information during taxing and landing.
If you are worried about gadgets flying around the cabin during turbulence the amount of turbulence you would be experiencing would likely be enough to toss people around so that argument is pointless. An ipod to the head will hurt but that's about it. A head slamming into the upper bag storage would likely result in a concussion at the least and a major neck injury is likely as well.
The primary job of stewardesses are to keep the passengers relaxed and calm. The easiest way to do that is to let them zone out when they get on the plane with their gadgets.
Its not like anyone actually listens to their safety speeches anyway. Gadget or not.
Flight instrumentation reside in faraday cages in all new and I would estimate 99.9% of all commercial aircraft in use today. So the rouge signal fear mongering is nothing by fear mongering.
Pilots use tablets in the cockpit to read airport information during taxing and landing.
If you are worried about gadgets flying around the cabin during turbulence the amount of turbulence you would be experiencing would likely be enough to toss people around so that argument is pointless. An ipod to the head will hurt but that's about it. A head slamming into the upper bag storage would likely result in a concussion at the least and a major neck injury is likely as well.
The primary job of stewardesses are to keep the passengers relaxed and calm. The easiest way to do that is to let them zone out when they get on the plane with their gadgets.
Its not like anyone actually listens to their safety speeches anyway. Gadget or not.
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