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Microsoft's free-to-play game development system Project Spark is now available for computers running Windows 8.1. If you don't know what Project Spark is, watch this video.

Project Spark is an experience like no other that aims to democratize game making by giving everyone easy-to-use tools to create, play and share their own creations with others. You can instantly play tens of thousands of user-made games, remix a pre-made game, or hop right in and make your own game with tools including 3D sculpting and a visual programming language similar to what the pros use, made accessible to all. Project Spark is free-to-play and is available for download now via the Xbox One and Windows 8.1 stores.
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And I thought DirectX was the only thing MS used to get people to upgrade/migrate. ;)
 
I'll just wait until someone makes it available on Win 7, it will happen soon enough.
 
Why am I not surprised about the Win8/8.1 haters showing up in this thread.

8/8.1 is a better OS than 7 once you get rid of the lame Metro interface.

I even have data deduplication running on 8.1. Try that with 7.

Sure, there are some things I don't like about it when compared to 7, but it is still better than 7.
 
It's stupid that Microsoft requires a computer or phone for this. They need to make a paper version and one for people who only have rocks and sticks because hermit mountain men deserve a chance to create and share too. :mad:
 
cyclone3d said:
Why am I not surprised about the Win8/8.1 haters showing up in this thread.

8/8.1 is a better OS than 7 once you get rid of the lame Metro interface.

I even have data deduplication running on 8.1. Try that with 7.

Sure, there are some things I don't like about it when compared to 7, but it is still better than 7.
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So basically, 8.1 is better than 7 once you turn it back into 7.

The only Win8 haters I've ever seen hate it solely because of the metro interface. I don't think you'd see any haters if it had everything it does now but with a start menu.
 
SRTie4k said:
So basically, 8.1 is better than 7 once you turn it back into 7.

The only Win8 haters I've ever seen hate it solely because of the metro interface. I don't think you'd see any haters if it had everything it does now but with a start menu.
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That argument falls right on its face once you point out you can install a small program that she's just that.

It's funny how people have been replacing and changing everything about Windows for decades but using a start menu replacements is asking too much...

"i use foobar and vlc instead of wmp, acronis instead of system restore, defraggler instead of the built in defrag etc. But install a start menu replacement? Who the fuck do they think they are I shouldn't need a program to use Windowsh how I want!"

So sick of the pathetic hypocrisy when it comes to Windows8.
 
It's funny how people have been replacing and changing everything about Windows for decades but using a start menu replacements is asking too much...
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Core functionality was changed with no direct way of reverting it. The fact MS released metro with zero multitasking capability was reason enough for its backlash. No one asked for the regression that was Metro. You want to bring something new to the market? Fine, but it needs to be an improvement over the previous product.
 
Disposed said:
That argument falls right on its face once you point out you can install a small program that she's just that.

It's funny how people have been replacing and changing everything about Windows for decades but using a start menu replacements is asking too much...

"i use foobar and vlc instead of wmp, acronis instead of system restore, defraggler instead of the built in defrag etc. But install a start menu replacement? Who the fuck do they think they are I shouldn't need a program to use Windowsh how I want!"

So sick of the pathetic hypocrisy when it comes to Windows8.
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That's a really stupid mentality. If everybody supported Windows 8, guess what message that would have sent Microsoft? WE LOVE TOUCH INTERFACE ON DESKTOP!!!

I'm glad people like you, the "3rd party programs will make up for Microsoft's complete ineptitude and disregard for their core audience" people, are not the majority.
 
SRTie4k said:
That's a really stupid mentality. If everybody supported Windows 8, guess what message that would have sent Microsoft? WE LOVE TOUCH INTERFACE ON DESKTOP!!!

I'm glad people like you, the "3rd party programs will make up for Microsoft's complete ineptitude and disregard for their core audience" people, are not the majority.
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We are the majority. You're just part of the very vocal minority.
 
Betaboy1983 said:
And I thought DirectX was the only thing MS used to get people to upgrade/migrate. ;)
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No no. It's gaming and termination of support for the retail buyer and commercial buyer respectively. Except for windows seven. In that case they just dropped a giant duce on the market in vista, let the stink build up, and then opened a window so to speak.
 
Disposed said:
We are the majority. You're just part of the very vocal minority.
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That's funny..sales numbers and even MS say otherwise. Win 8 is a complete failure and even MS is done defending it. Only a few blowhards on forums are still trying to convince people how great it is.

There are few if any around here that won't say Win 8 under the hood is an upgrade to win 7. However there isn't enough difference to justify having to deal with its shit for most to bother with it. Sure the start menu replacement helps, but that doesn't resolve most of the problems the metro UI/Charms bar and hot corners cause on a desktop. It is a band-aid fix and why most of us are completely against the OS. But interestingly enough before the Pro-win 8 group started ranting there was literally only 1 post about win 8. A useless one that didn't even warrant the raising of an eyebrow much less the amount of fanboy defending the two of you brought to the table.

Now I'll touch on what I said since it was the only post with any meat to it before the win 8 tirade started. I said I'll wait for this to come to win 7. That was it..i didn't hate on 8, I didn't go into this long argument of what is wrong with win 8, I just simply said I'll wait. Why? Because despite "Owning" a copy of win 8 i have zero compelling reason to use it. It isn't enough of an upgrade on the back end for me to really care that much to try and modify it into something I want. My current setup works perfectly well. I quit arguing against Win 8 months ago, no point since even MS admitted it was a spectacular failure. Yet here we are, 2 benign posts into a thread that even hint at win 8 and the few supporters are foaming at the mouth ranting like there is still some great conspiracy.

Seriously..give it a rest. :rolleyes:
 
So in other words, even if 8.1 is a superior gaming platform... which it is... we can't discuss ANY gaming on it because the bitch fest of Win 8 hate will always drown out any useful dialog?

You know, MS isn't entirely stupid. Simply USING their OS doesn't "send a message" that we love the new start screen. MS is absolutely aware that we are somewhat bound to upgrade for technology reasons. They are capable of hearing the universal outcry of dislike for one particular interface feature and changing it next time, no matter how many people are using the OS.

Perspective, folks. Perspective.

The sooner we can get DX12 working on PCs, and stop bitching about the platform, the better or we might end up sinking this great little PC gaming renaissance we have going on.

And yes, I'm all for Windows 10 to get here ASAP. Whatever it takes to make people satisfied with a version of Windows that has the hardware capabilities we need.

My friends thought they disliked Windows 8.1, until I did a full restart of my system in 30 seconds and was back in game in time to help them win a round. That takes a combo of Win 8.1, SSD drive and modern motherboard features.
 
Yet another lame attempt from MS to get us to move to win8.
Sorry, but this does not motivate me to change my OS, especially when Mantle supported games are just around the corner, then you throw in the "Rift" and even win10 seems unnecessary for the next few years.
 
Its laughable to me that people think a consumer rejection of Windows 8 has anything to do with MS changing their tune with the next release. Its the enterprise that they care about, and those people would have voiced their concerns no matter what and MS would of course listen since that is their bread and butter.
 
Sigh..here we go.

It isn't a superior gaming platform...At best it is marginally better. That isn't calling it bad, but it isn't blowing it out of proportion either.

Boot times on equal high end hardware between win 7 and Win 8 aren't a great deal different. Win 7 on a SSD with a modern motherboard gets me to a functional desktop under 30 seconds as well. People need to stop comparing their 2 year old install of win 7 to a fresh win 8 install. Is win 8 faster? Yes..by a few seconds. As for the full reboot bit, can't say anything there I've never had to fully reboot my machine from a game crash.
 
Advil said:
So in other words, even if 8.1 is a superior gaming platform... which it is... we can't discuss ANY gaming on it because the bitch fest of Win 8 hate will always drown out any useful dialog?

You know, MS isn't entirely stupid. Simply USING their OS doesn't "send a message" that we love the new start screen. MS is absolutely aware that we are somewhat bound to upgrade for technology reasons. They are capable of hearing the universal outcry of dislike for one particular interface feature and changing it next time, no matter how many people are using the OS.
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Are you kidding? You don't think the downright awful sales figures and horrendous adoption rate of Windows 8 had everything to do with Microsoft moving back to the start menu for Windows 10?

This is like arguing with a conspiracy theorist, but worse. At least the proof has been covered every week for the past 2 years on the internet and in Microsoft's sales figures.

Are all Windows 8 supporters this blatantly irrational?
 
"everything" to do with it? NO. But once again, why jump down my throat about THAT ISSUE when I'm not even arguing with you about not liking the start menu. I agree. Ok? OK? I AGREE.

BUT... under the hood it's still superior in enough ways to make it a better gaming platform.

In other words... OTHER THAN THE DAMN START MENU it is, in fact, BETTER.
 
I'm not arguing that the behind the scenes portion of Windows 8 is superior to Windows 7 (marginally anyways), I'm arguing that those people here using 3rd party applications to make an operating system usable in it's native environment is downright stupid.

It's our duty as consumers to hold Microsoft's feet to the fire for completely massacring the desktop experience, not finding workarounds simply so my boot time is 1 second faster and so I get 1 extra frame per second in a game.
 
So you just can't find it in your soul to use the technologically superior OS, because of a crusade campaign to stick it to MS?

I don't know about most people, but I can damn well live with it, while ALSO complaining to them about the interface issues.

We CAN have the cake AND eat it too... walk AND chew bubble gum... use Win 8 AND complain about the start interface.
 
I get where you are coming from, but I just can't agree with the severity of your method. I still hold that you are frankly hurting yourself far more than you are getting any meaningful leverage on MS actions.

Well, I think we are going to just disagree on this, so let's hope Win 10 just leaves us both happy.
 
SRTie4k said:
Are you kidding? You don't think the downright awful sales figures and horrendous adoption rate of Windows 8 had everything to do with Microsoft moving back to the start menu for Windows 10?

This is like arguing with a conspiracy theorist, but worse. At least the proof has been covered every week for the past 2 years on the internet and in Microsoft's sales figures.

Are all Windows 8 supporters this blatantly irrational?
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We get it you are a win 8 hate troll. If you don't like windows 8 how about not commenting in the post and let the discussion remain what it was about. Here is a hint, it was not about how much you hate windows 8.
 
Advil said:
So you just can't find it in your soul to use the technologically superior OS, because of a crusade campaign to stick it to MS?

I don't know about most people, but I can damn well live with it, while ALSO complaining to them about the interface issues.

We CAN have the cake AND eat it too... walk AND chew bubble gum... use Win 8 AND complain about the start interface.
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Advil said:
I get where you are coming from, but I just can't agree with the severity of your method. I still hold that you are frankly hurting yourself far more than you are getting any meaningful leverage on MS actions.

Well, I think we are going to just disagree on this, so let's hope Win 10 just leaves us both happy.
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Ok, please explain to me WHY I should install win 8....I already stated Win 7 does Everything I need to do without hassle. Win 8 only offers marginal performance gains to me. You keep going on like you know something we don't so by all means spill it. I really fail to see why I would want to install an OS that it's UI pisses me off to deal with, I have to jump through hoops to get rid of it and "STILL" works terribly in a multi-monitor environment that doesn't offer any "Tangible" performance benefits. What are tangible benefits? I shouldn't have to explain on this site above all, but what I can see in the actual performance of a game..not some synthetic benchmarks that are meaningless.
 
It is not worth upgrading for 7 to 8 at a full OS price. That's a given, But no one argues that Win 8 isnt better than 7.
 
wizzi01 said:
We get it you are a win 8 hate troll. If you don't like windows 8 how about not commenting in the post and let the discussion remain what it was about. Here is a hint, it was not about how much you hate windows 8.
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Interesting how you have extrapolated how much I supposedly hate Windows 8 based on discussion of the sales figures in relation to it's successor.

Since you obviously can't make heads or tales of anything beyond "Windows 8 is dumb" or "Windows 8 is good"...

1. The first sentence was sarcasm.

2. You need to go back to the 3rd grade

3. I like Windows 8 when used as it's designed, on a tablet. We have several here at work, and Windows 8 is super easy to use with a touchscreen. Once you plug a mouse in and upsize it to a desktop, it becomes a huge pain in the ass.
 
As to be able to easily make your own games ...woot! :D MS is innovative ..execution lets 'em down mostly. xfingers for the holodeck esp.

As to the whole windows 8 kerfuffle ... that is so 2 years ago.

Sure when windows 8 first arrived on the scene ..poor help made for a bad taste when old programs ( like cisco's network magic) broke all kinds of other unrelated programs but a person had no idea. That person was quick to blame the O/S instead. Making the desktop seem a minor component going forward poisoned millions of desktop users. Microsoft telling the user they knew what was best was bound to raise hackles (we are not cultists :p). So yes, in the beginning, windows 8 was hard to recommend tho easy enough to say buy the cheap upgrade as it will no doubt improve as vista did.

with latest upgrade to 8, The right click on start is way more powerful than the old start menu. You no longer have to drag an app down to close it. You can get to your logoff/power settings much quicker now ..and you can log directly to the desktop if that is your choice. Though, in metro..desktop is just a click or a press away. Windows 8 is a beautiful thing on dual monitors. With amd /./. you already also have access to 9 virtual desktops.

Yes, metro is limited choice and made for consumption really. Yes it was great that people said you better not be going that way exclusively! But cmon, the desktop experience is exactly the same as windows 7 tho with better performance, security and stability. To still hear people saying windows 8 is unmanageable shows considerable bias and discounts the opinion automatically. All this is moot anyways tho, as windows 10 is just around the corner now. You will be enjoying making your own game in no time if you are still using 7 now :)
 
The issues around the desktop UI of Windows 8 and its impact on productivity simply don't have same level of impact when it comes to gaming. As gaming is typically a full screen experience, gaming fits in naturally with the concept of immersive full screen experiences. Windows 8 is superior gaming platform to 7 since it not supports all games and desktop gaming hardware and input devices as 7, but 8 also scales down nicely to the more resource constrained world of tablets and touch.
 
SRTie4k said:
Once you plug a mouse in and upsize it to a desktop, it becomes a huge pain in the ass.
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If you're not familiar with it yes. If you are, on the desktop with desktop apps functionally it's not that different from Windows 7.
 
SRTie4k said:
So basically, 8.1 is better than 7 once you turn it back into 7.

The only Win8 haters I've ever seen hate it solely because of the metro interface. I don't think you'd see any haters if it had everything it does now but with a start menu.
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Oh yeah go look at the windows 10 thread and find the haters finding new reasons to hate.
 
Went to try it out, had to sign up for a Microsoft account, promptly shut it down.

Interested, but not worth that additional headache.
 
heatlesssun said:
The issues around the desktop UI of Windows 8 and its impact on productivity simply don't have same level of impact when it comes to gaming. As gaming is typically a full screen experience, gaming fits in naturally with the concept of immersive full screen experiences. Windows 8 is superior gaming platform to 7 since it not supports all games and desktop gaming hardware and input devices as 7, but 8 also scales down nicely to the more resource constrained world of tablets and touch.
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Interesting you mention the full screen experience. First you are correct, the UI has nothing to do with that. Again most of the comments are directed at the experience outside the game. That said, unless they fixed it "Borderless windowed fullscreen" for games in Win 8 has been problematic. I have to assume it is fixed by now, but it was a pretty glaring issue for a while where metro was just damn determined to pop up on top of your non locked full screen games.

As for the second point, there is again little tangible real world difference between Win 8 and win 7 as far as gaming performance goes. The mention of tablets and touch aren't really a valid argument when trying to call it superior for gaming as that has nothing to do with the gaming experience. I asked earlier for someone to point how in what manner Win 8 is a superior OS for gaming without quoting useless synthetic benchmarks. I would still love to see it. Meh we are way off topic here, but you can pretty much blame cyclone and disposed for that. Apparently they needed to defend win 8 against some perceived attack on it that never happened. So here we are. :rolleyes:
 
This thread is about Windows 8? I could have swore the title mentioned a game... :confused:

First post called it.
 
Advil said:
So you just can't find it in your soul to use the technologically superior OS, because of a crusade campaign to stick it to MS?

I don't know about most people, but I can damn well live with it, while ALSO complaining to them about the interface issues.

We CAN have the cake AND eat it too... walk AND chew bubble gum... use Win 8 AND complain about the start interface.
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People who want a technologically superior OS that don't care about the user interface will invariably use Linux. :p
 
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