Wall-Mounted UPS: Why so hard to find??

jmroberts70

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I am trying to power protect a fiber-to-copper media converter / router installed in my network room that is wall-mounted. I really only have space for another wall-mounted device and not a full rackmounted form factor. I've seen such devices in the past but it looks like the only thing that APC provides is a very old style 500VA model that, from what I've read in the reviews, is about 10 years too late and probably wasn't that good even back then...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842101092

I really need a wall-mounted UPS with Ethernet connectivity for monitoring and the ability to hot-swap batteries while still passing power. Anyone aware of such an animal?
 
Perhaps you should get a rackmount UPS and use a wall mounted vertical rack to hold it.

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http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816215190
 
I've thought of that but most rackmount UPS frames are very deep (wall-mounted would translate to a very long installation). It would also make battery replacement difficult.

I am looking at the 1U 250VA and 450VA APC UPS's right now as they're not very deep but it's hard to find one that can do an Ethernet interface (unless there's something to convert the serial port in the back)...
 
The type of mount I suggested would mount the UPS vertically instead of horizontally. If you were mounting a switch in that rack, the ports would be facing up. So it's only as deep(thick) as the number of Rack Units your device is.

Like this:
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APC GSpro

APC documentation instructions for battery replacement: "Step 1 - Turn off the UPS and disconnect all equipment connected to the UPS."

Seriously?? What the hell APC??!! Obviously if I'm running a UPS on anything, it's because it needs to stay on all the time. What good does having a UPS do if I have to shut it down to replace the battery? This sort of thing seriously pisses me off. I have had to go into so many offices I support and remove the existing UPS equipment they were using for this very reason...

Man, we were so close!!
 
against most fire codes, but you 'can' daisy chain.
also, the LithiumIon battery should last 4 to 5 years, just replace it every 3 to be safe. batteries should be replaced as preventive maintenance, not after a failure.
 
This is not acceptable. I am working in a high-demand, high-availability environment. I have almost NO maintenance window to shut down equipment. I need to install better equipment than that...
 
then the SmartUPS SC450 is about the smallest business-class device meeting your requirements. if you can't fit it, you need to make more space available
 
This is not acceptable. I am working in a high-demand, high-availability environment. I have almost NO maintenance window to shut down equipment. I need to install better equipment than that...

Your equipment should be dual PSU'ed then with each connected to its own Battery backup.

Replace one at a time no problems.

Throw in redundant clustered servers in separate racks and your even better off.
 
Or you can just get a stand up UPS and buy a shelf to put it on?

One of these:
http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SMT750&total_watts=50

Two of these:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_48990-46882...l=1&currentURL=?Ntt=shelf+brackets&facetInfo=

and a small piece of the laminated wood.


Or it even looks like rubbermaid has a small shelving unit that is 1' deep by 2' wide you could mount.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_304520-315-...d&pl=1&currentURL=?Ntt=shelf+board&facetInfo=
 
Your equipment should be dual PSU'ed then with each connected to its own Battery backup.

Replace one at a time no problems.

Throw in redundant clustered servers in separate racks and your even better off.

Would be nice but our servers are not the problem. We have a critical fiber optic feed to the building that is then converted to an electrical signal and peeled off for internet and T1. This media converter box is the critical piece of equipment that cannot go down. I also have a Cisco router and 5 POE switches that I am keeping alive with some massive UPS equipment in the network room. I just have this damn media converter box I'm trying to protect without too much heroic effort!

Or you can just get a stand up UPS and buy a shelf to put it on?

One of these:
http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SMT750&total_watts=50

Two of these:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_48990-46882...l=1&currentURL=?Ntt=shelf+brackets&facetInfo=

and a small piece of the laminated wood.


Or it even looks like rubbermaid has a small shelving unit that is 1' deep by 2' wide you could mount.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_304520-315-...d&pl=1&currentURL=?Ntt=shelf+board&facetInfo=

Actually I think this is the best way to go. It would take up a small amount of space on the wall and gives me monitoring and battery hot-swapping.
 
And there is no way to have this critical fiber being converted by something with 2 PSU's? Even if you use a UPS that is hot-swappable, there is no guarantee you can do so. I've had some apc smart-ups rack mounts that were that way, except when going to pull the batteries out they had swelled, which meant disassembling the unit to get them out. Obviously a shutdown scenario at that point.
 
The media converter equipment wasn't my choice. It is being provided by AT&T to deliver their circuits to the customer.

Swelled batteries is an unusual case. I setup a maintenance schedule that replaces batteries and checks functionality of the UPS. The possibility of a swelled battery is no reason to abandon the concept of maximum up-time.
 
The media converter equipment wasn't my choice. It is being provided by AT&T to deliver their circuits to the customer.

Swelled batteries is an unusual case. I setup a maintenance schedule that replaces batteries and checks functionality of the UPS. The possibility of a swelled battery is no reason to abandon the concept of maximum up-time.

If AT&T dictates that you use their media convertor then you need to contact them and demand they provide a UPS solution. I bet if you do that you will find they will accommodate you providing the media convertor.
 
If your hardware is so important, why are you still relying on a single point of failure? You can't have downtime to swap batteries, but what are you going to do if the UPS itself fails?
 
Look into a small inverter-charger setup with two small gel batteries (or whatever AH you require). Just connect the batteries in a way that they can physically be disconnected individually. I don't know if the company will go for having open air batteries though.

Idealy I would put this in a separate room and just have an outlet on the wall powered by this system. At very least, in a separate enclosed cabinet with some small air flow.

That APC transfer switch looks interesting too. Just have two small UPSes.

Though if it was me, if it's that critical I'd have a dedicated UPS outlet run to that location from the main building UPS/inverter if there is one. I'm not a fan of individual UPSes throughout a building, it creates too many points of failures and maintenance.
 
I run an Eaton 9170+ and I can swap batteries on the fly. Wont mount to a wall, but is runs the entire room so I don't need units all over the place.
 
If it can't go down, you need this: http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP7750A

Plug one power cord into the wall (generator or UPS if you are paranoid), the other into an UPS. Then you can power down one UPS, change the battery, bring it back up all without powering off the device(s) connected to the AP7750A.

yeah, no idea what you want to spend, but I'd go with this and 2 smaller/cheaper UPS units so you can swap batteries without being under the gun.
 
what I have done in the past is a auto transfer switch one leg connected to the main ups and the second to a smaller ups just for the telecom.
 
Cyberpower makes wall mount ones for telco applications - however they convert from AC > DC so you'd most likely have to make your own power cord and hope they have one with the voltage you need. Also no ethernet for mgmt. So most likely won't work but still an option
 
Telco would be -48vdc so this could work if the equipment has such input. What you do is convert to DC then put a battery bank in between. The actual voltage should be 54 volts and it will keep the batteries charged without overcharging them. Most roadside type cabinet applications work this way. Rectifier -> batteries -> equipment. You can take the batteries out of the equation live (though you should have two banks in case the power goes out as you're working on it). These can be small gel cells, especially if the equipment does not have much draw. This is actually better than a standard UPS as there is no switch over time.
 
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