Microsoft CEO: EQ Trumps IQ In the Long Run

Dimethyltryptamine said:
Wasn't Einstein well liked and great with people? I'm just saying that I personally associate people with extreme intelligence with being likeable. They understand the human condition holding everyone else back.
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Haha, I was going to say this exact thing. Scientists are an interesting comparison. Pretty much all the famous ones were famous because they could relate and communicate to the masses. I think there are probably dozens of scientists of Einsteins ability, or greater, that just couldn't communicate outside their circles. So us laymen never heard of them.
 
I'll work with anyone who has a shred of humility/modesty. But in my experience, these qualities no longer exist. Everyone is so insecure and self-obsessive that they have the audacity to label humility or modesty as a weakness.
 
Taco said:
No one person accomplishes that though. Teams of people do. And someone has to bring them together towards that common goal.
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I'm not so sure. I think deciding what the goal should be is the hardest part of the process.
 
LOLOLOL^^^^^^^^^^^

A bunch of computer nerds getting REALLY mad that someone said EQ was important.

Oh, this is rich!
 
RadXge said:
You have to admit that her statement makes sense for Microsoft considering that this company relies more on marketing than innovation.
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RadXge said:
What a bold statement!
Her comment sounds very scientific, I wonder what data she possesses to make such claim.
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Unless you're saying this as a joke, but you do know that Satya is a guy, right?
 
Do any of you actually work with engineers (and I'm not talking about bullshit "engineers" that are engineers in title only)? Most are socially retarded and can't interact with people beyond accepting directives. I recently had a short conversation with a fellow engineer that complained about how his pay is okay, but thinks he deserves more but never gets a raise beyond company minimums. You know why? IT'S LITERALLY FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM WITHOUT IT BECOMING AWKWARD AFTER TWO MINUTES. Successful people know how to interact with other people and get the desired result. I have never been to a job interview that didn't result in an offer...you know why? While I am intelligent, I have (very) good social skills (especially in group settings) and can back up all of my credentials/qualifications with confidence.
 
Oh, and I think the CEO of one of the biggest goddamn companies on the planet would know a little about this particular subject. His attitude and way of thinking has gotten him much further in life than anyone on this board.
 
Grahamkracka said:
Do any of you actually work with engineers (and I'm not talking about bullshit "engineers" that are engineers in title only)? Most are socially retarded and can't interact with people beyond accepting directives. I recently had a short conversation with a fellow engineer that complained about how his pay is okay, but thinks he deserves more but never gets a raise beyond company minimums. You know why? IT'S LITERALLY FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM WITHOUT IT BECOMING AWKWARD AFTER TWO MINUTES. Successful people know how to interact with other people and get the desired result. I have never been to a job interview that didn't result in an offer...you know why? While I am intelligent, I have (very) good social skills (especially in group settings) and can back up all of my credentials/qualifications with confidence.
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Who actually does more useful work, you or him? None of what you said tells me that you do. Makes me want to fire both of you.
 
Tawnos said:
It's true when you consider it in a broader context. When you have a bunch of people who are merely "smart", being able to move them towards a unified goal trumps the lone person who is is "brilliant".

In the long run, impact is measured by how many people you get to follow your ideas, rather than how intelligent your ideas are.
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Bingo. Look at pre merger Lucent, they hired pretty much based on IQ alone and they would never have survived had they not been snapped up by Alcatel. You need a lot more than brains to make a company work, you need a good leader, vision, and buy-in at all levels.
 
This "nutella" guy seems like a terrible choice.
Windows 10 looks great, of course it has nothing to do with him, but hey.
 
Grahamkracka said:
Oh, and I think the CEO of one of the biggest goddamn companies on the planet would know a little about this particular subject. His attitude and way of thinking has gotten him much further in life than anyone on this board.
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The best ass kissers always rise to the top...some of us simply have standards. I could very easily play the "old boys ass slapping club game" and I did at one company when I was young and promoted super fast. Now that I'm older and my ideals are a little more valuable to me however, I refuse to lower myself to such games. I am quite a bit happier living not having the virtual taste of ass and dick in my mouth. So yes, I say the EQ garbage is bullshit. All it accomplishes is allowing a bunch of people who have zero self respect rise to the top and more than a few managers over the years who are complete idiots.

So Again..What a bunch of HR driven bullshit. I'll be a happy camper when this age of over the top political correctness dies.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
The best ass kissers always rise to the top...some of us simply have standards. I could very easily play the "old boys ass slapping club game" and I did at one company when I was young and promoted super fast. Now that I'm older and my ideals are a little more valuable to me however, I refuse to lower myself to such games. I am quite a bit happier living not having the virtual taste of ass and dick in my mouth. So yes, I say the EQ garbage is bullshit. All it accomplishes is allowing a bunch of people who have zero self respect rise to the top and more than a few managers over the years who are complete idiots.

So Again..What a bunch of HR driven bullshit. I'll be a happy camper when this age of over the top political correctness dies.
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This would be an example of low IQ and low EQ.
 
Steve said:
According to Microsoft's CEO, emotional quotient trumps IQ. I'm sure you guys will remember this quote when someone with an IQ of 68 gets turned down for an engineering job in Redmond.
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Yeah but excellent for MS management you would fit right in.

MS has nothing to prove to anyone. When you have a monopoly on the desktop market you could as well be a chimpanzee to make it work.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
The best ass kissers always rise to the top...some of us simply have standards. I could very easily play the "old boys ass slapping club game" and I did at one company when I was young and promoted super fast. Now that I'm older and my ideals are a little more valuable to me however, I refuse to lower myself to such games. I am quite a bit happier living not having the virtual taste of ass and dick in my mouth. So yes, I say the EQ garbage is bullshit. All it accomplishes is allowing a bunch of people who have zero self respect rise to the top and more than a few managers over the years who are complete idiots.

So Again..What a bunch of HR driven bullshit. I'll be a happy camper when this age of over the top political correctness dies.
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I would like to buy this man a beverage! The less society rewards bullshit and brown nosing and the more it rewards the person that actually does the work... the better off we will all be. It may seem like this BS works now.... but short term gains and all that. Eventually it all comes out in the wash (in many ways then meets the eye).
 
EQ isn't really the correct term in my opinion. It might be the correct technical term however people skills are more important than IQ in every field other than maybe theoretical disciplines, and even in those you have to be able to relay your message well. You can have the smartest people present something and if they can not do it in a way that convinces and informs others, well then what good is the information?
 
HoffY said:
I would like to buy this man a beverage! The less society rewards bullshit and brown nosing and the more it rewards the person that actually does the work... the better off we will all be. It may seem like this BS works now.... but short term gains and all that. Eventually it all comes out in the wash (in many ways then meets the eye).
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This isn't rocket science. Compare and contrast:

A really smart person has a great idea and like all great ideas they can't develop it to consumer readiness without help, then they need it marketed, sold and supported. All these things require other people, this person is great at working independently but does not have the ability to influence other people. Product goes nowhere.

On the flip side, take someone with an average idea who can motivate other people to do all those things, that idea is not guaranteed to be a success but the chances are a whole hell of a lot higher than the aforementioned "great idea".

I suppose you can call it brown nosing if you want. It's just logical reality. If you don't realize this, the you are lacking in both Qs.

This is not to say a high IQ independent contributor is not valuable, they just are not ordinarily going to rise high up the ranks. Because rising up the ranks means more responsibility and more responsibility means you can't do it all on your own, which means you need to be able to motivate others to work towards a goal.
 
Qualified engineers are a lot easier to find than qualified engineers who are passionate about the work you have for them.

I have to assume that's what he really means.

Because it's way easier to work a fool who loves his project for 18 hours a day than it is to do the same to a man who just punches the clock o provide for his family.

i.e. It's easier to seriously fuck someone over if they love working for you than it is to screw a guy who will change jobs if you abuse him.
 
Twisted Kidney said:
Qualified engineers are a lot easier to find than qualified engineers who are passionate about the work you have for them.

I have to assume that's what he really means.

Because it's way easier to work a fool who loves his project for 18 hours a day than it is to do the same to a man who just punches the clock o provide for his family.

i.e. It's easier to seriously fuck someone over if they love working for you than it is to screw a guy who will change jobs if you abuse him.
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Ha, yes this is always a risk. But if you are being overworked on a project you do not enjoy and you are a fantastic engineer, it should not be that hard to find a job elsewhere. And if a leader is driving all his people to the competition, well he's not a very good leader and it will show in the end result.
 
runffs said:
I notice they still have GPA on their job apps.

I am so sick of this pithy soundbites that are utter bullshit with the slightest thought.
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I wonder what they would think if you put down that you cried when you got your grades.
 
Properly EQ'ed sound is better than good Image Quality. True.
 
Steve said:
I'm sure you guys will remember this quote when someone with an IQ of 68 gets turned down for an engineering job in Redmond.
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Don't be silly, everyone knows IQ < 70 go straight into the UX team.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
What a bunch of HR driven bullshit.
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This is exactly how I read the quote.
He is basically telling all the staff that they need to care more about what they are doing and be more productive or they'll be fired.
This could have come right out of a Dilbert comic.

H.R. does the same kind of attempted morale building where I work.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
The best ass kissers always rise to the top...some of us simply have standards. I could very easily play the "old boys ass slapping club game" and I did at one company when I was young and promoted super fast. Now that I'm older and my ideals are a little more valuable to me however, I refuse to lower myself to such games. I am quite a bit happier living not having the virtual taste of ass and dick in my mouth. So yes, I say the EQ garbage is bullshit. All it accomplishes is allowing a bunch of people who have zero self respect rise to the top and more than a few managers over the years who are complete idiots.

So Again..What a bunch of HR driven bullshit. I'll be a happy camper when this age of over the top political correctness dies.
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Dead-on. Bullshitting, political correctness, social justice warriors, and a culture that focuses on trends, celebrities, and multiculturalism. These things are all different sides of the same duplicitious "progressive" coin.
 
Maxx said:
Correct, what's he's talking about here is also know as the "playmaker." There is the tendency in modern society - so driven by logical, technological flow - to focus entirely on direct, objective production. The reality is that the ability to work cross-field with synergies...
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jfreund said:
You lost me at "synergies".
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He lost me at "playmaker".
 
I agree with what they are saying is true, but I do not agree that that is how the world should operate. That is how we have complete sociopaths running our country / corporations.

I keep reading about this stuff on a daily basis and think that Atlas Shrugged will finally happen. (note: i'm a lazy fuck and only watched the not-very-good movies, but I get the premise)
 
Phoenix333 said:
So... passion trumps competence? Here's my counter to that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooKVstzbz0&feature=player_detailpage#t=84
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Not what is being claimed at all. The claim is that there are is more to competence than intelligence, and high interpersonal skills are more important to success than sheer intellectual ability when those traits are compared over a long time.

I think of it like an xy chart, where x is intellectual intelligence, y is interpersonal intelligence, and the area is predicted long-term success. If one or the other of those axis is small, so will the area. He's saying that rather than there being a 1:1 weighting, though, that y's value maps to some value greater than y, making area x * (<some value greater than 1> * y),
 
Here's the problem...
You can't have all chiefs and no indians.
A room full of leaders can't get jack shit done because while they can inspire, they don't know how to DO.
 
SGA76 said:
Here's the problem...
You can't have all chiefs and no indians.
A room full of leaders can't get jack shit done because while they can inspire, they don't know how to DO.
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This isn't talking just about leaders. It's about everybody in a team. People need to be able to work together. Knowing how to do is important, but knowing how to do with others is more important.
 
jpm100 said:
Who actually does more useful work, you or him? None of what you said tells me that you do. Makes me want to fire both of you.
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I don't work with him anymore. He's a great engineer...if he's left to work alone. But god forbid he needs help or has to collaborate...which is a major requirement when working complex projects. I'm just as intelligent but I work with others in a productive manner...which makes me more valuable. Which was my point (and the point of Microsoft's CEO). At the moment none of that matters for me though, I've temporarily taken a hiatus from the 'real' world and currently pursuing a PhD.
 
Grahamkracka said:
I don't work with him anymore. He's a great engineer...if he's left to work alone. But god forbid he needs help or has to collaborate...which is a major requirement when working complex projects. I'm just as intelligent but I work with others in a productive manner...which makes me more valuable. Which was my point (and the point of Microsoft's CEO). At the moment none of that matters for me though, I've temporarily taken a hiatus from the 'real' world and currently pursuing a PhD.
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So we got it, you're a great!
 
Grahamkracka said:
Do any of you actually work with engineers (and I'm not talking about bullshit "engineers" that are engineers in title only)? Most are socially retarded and can't interact with people beyond accepting directives. I recently had a short conversation with a fellow engineer that complained about how his pay is okay, but thinks he deserves more but never gets a raise beyond company minimums. You know why? IT'S LITERALLY FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM WITHOUT IT BECOMING AWKWARD AFTER TWO MINUTES. Successful people know how to interact with other people and get the desired result. I have never been to a job interview that didn't result in an offer...you know why? While I am intelligent, I have (very) good social skills (especially in group settings) and can back up all of my credentials/qualifications with confidence.
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With confidence eh?
Like a con artist running a confidence scheme?

I prefer my credentials/qualifications backed up with results.
 
All a potential employer has to go on are your resume, interview, and references. If you get an interview it's best to not be a nervous, blithering idiot in front of your potential employer. You can have all the results you want to back your qualifications, it's all useless if you can't adequately convey how that will help your potential new employer.
 
if the person at the top somehow facilitates effective teamwork, it's better than someone who thinks that they are smart imposing their belief about themselves on others.
 
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