NCASE M1 v2 Build Thread

LFletcher said:
Another one waiting for my V2 to arrive. This is what I'm currently planning. Need some CPU cooler and fan advice though.

Asus Maximus VII Impact
Intel Core i7-4790K
16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RAM
MSI GTX 770 Gaming
Silverstone SST-SX600-G
2 x 5TB Toshiba HDD
2 x 240GB Samsung SSD

The height of the RAM limits my CPU cooler options (already have the RAM so not practical to swap it for something else).
I have a Corsair H100i in my current system, but need the HDD's, so can't use that.
Current thinking is either Corsair H60 SE, H80i (I believe I'd need to swap one of the fans for a thinner model) or the Noctua NH-L12 (without the bottom fan for RAM clearance?). Which one is likely to be best or are there better alternatives?

Based on the above is it worth fitting any fans in the bottom of the case or on the rear (assuming one would fit)? I see a lot of people using the F12.

Thanks for any advice.
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Same question for me if someone has an answer: I'm using Corsair Platinum memory so it's even taller, I might have to use an H100...
 
Motaa said:
Onar3d:

If money is an issue, slip the 760 as a future purchase as you can still use the PC (not for gaming) until later and use the stock CPU cooler.
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Thanks! That's true, I did not mention that I need it for graphics, so the GPU is imperative :)

But from the replies here at least it seems I can skip the fancy cooler, good to know, thanks for the replies!
 
LFletcher said:
Another one waiting for my V2 to arrive. This is what I'm currently planning. Need some CPU cooler and fan advice though.

Asus Maximus VII Impact
Intel Core i7-4790K
16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RAM
MSI GTX 770 Gaming
Silverstone SST-SX600-G
2 x 5TB Toshiba HDD
2 x 240GB Samsung SSD

The height of the RAM limits my CPU cooler options (already have the RAM so not practical to swap it for something else).
I have a Corsair H100i in my current system, but need the HDD's, so can't use that.
Current thinking is either Corsair H60 SE, H80i (I believe I'd need to swap one of the fans for a thinner model) or the Noctua NH-L12 (without the bottom fan for RAM clearance?). Which one is likely to be best or are there better alternatives?

Based on the above is it worth fitting any fans in the bottom of the case or on the rear (assuming one would fit)? I see a lot of people using the F12.

Thanks for any advice.
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DONT use a H80i

the thick rad is not the issue in this case, its the super fat hoses that make it a fitting horror. there are other >30mm rads that will work (silverstone, thermaltake etc) that have thinner hoses that make fitting easier.

check the photo thread to see someone using the 240mm silverstone which gives indication of what will fit with thin hoses.
 
callumbolch said:
DONT use a H80i

the thick rad is not the issue in this case, its the super fat hoses that make it a fitting horror. there are other >30mm rads that will work (silverstone, thermaltake etc) that have thinner hoses that make fitting easier.

check the photo thread to see someone using the 240mm silverstone which gives indication of what will fit with thin hoses.
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Thanks for the info.

Is anyone using a TD03? I've seen someone with the TD02, but I'm guessing due to the rad thickness you'll only be able to use one fan on the 03. Also want to make sure its not too big for the hard drive bracket to fit.
 
Eagerly awaiting US economy shipping v2.

My planned build:

have new:
ASUS Z97I-PLUS
Silverstone SX600-G
2x8GB Crucial Ballistix Sport VLP
i5 4690K
UJ-265 Blu Ray burner
Swiftech H220
Crucial MX100 512GB SSD
1TB Seagate Hybrid drive

Initially I'm going to use a MSI 7770 for the GPU. Then once I can get a EVGA Hydro Copper GTX 980, that's what I want. Possibly a GTX 970.

I also need to get a Sata slim adapter cable, and I have a couple sets of fans I am going to try, cougars, and some of the white blade gentle typhoon clones.. I guess I need to get some clamps and some extra tubing to add the GPU into the H220 loop also.
 
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callumbolch said:
DONT use a H80i

the thick rad is not the issue in this case, its the super fat hoses that make it a fitting horror. there are other >30mm rads that will work (silverstone, thermaltake etc) that have thinner hoses that make fitting easier.

check the photo thread to see someone using the 240mm silverstone which gives indication of what will fit with thin hoses.
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And yet there are people using the H80i in the M1.
 
Skott said:
And yet there are people using the H80i in the M1.
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im not saying it wont fit, im just saying if you want to put a thick rad AIO in the M1 there are far better options.

i had one in mine but took it out because the hoses where kinking and pushing pretty hard on the side of my RAM.

you could probably make the TD03 work, those hosdes are pretty bendable by the looks of it
 
ordered my ncase components:

ASUS Maximus VII Impact
Intel Core i7-4790K
Plextor M6e 512GB SSD M.2 PCI-Express 10GB/s
Samsung SSD 850 PRO Series 128GB 2.5zoll MLC SATA600
Noctua NH-C14
16GB (2x8GB) Crucial Ballistix Sport VLP DDR3-1600 CL9 (9-9-9-24) RAM - Kit
Zotac GeForce GTX 760 OC 2GB GDDR5 PCIe 2xDVI/HDMI/DP
SilverStone SFX SST-SX600-G

Everything was available, except the power supply, so i can build it on Friday. Until the power supply is available i use an external ATX.

I didnt use the XP941 m.2, it was to expensive, 150 Euro more than the Plextor. The 760 graphic card is only until the new one are available at affordable price.
 
So i emailed Fractal Design and asked them about the Kelvin AIO series, they are in fact delayed until november but the guy said that it would be even better with some upgraded specifications. Now i have all of my parts except for the watercooling and the PSU. So i either wait for 2.5 months in a worst case scenario for the Fractal Kelvin S24, or i go with another cooling config. Does anyone have any suggestions for AIOs?
 
If just cooling the CPU, the Corsair H100i is a solid performer or the well-performing Cooler Master Seidon 240M. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1041007317#post1041007317

Until the Kelvin S24 arrives, the H220 is the only AIO that is allowed by warranty to be extended to include other watercooling components, but Swiftech has been difficult with RMA, not honoring people's defective pumps because they think the GPU doesn't meet the required PSU's output (total BS).
 
Phuncz said:
If just cooling the CPU, the Corsair H100i is a solid performer or the well-performing Cooler Master Seidon 240M. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1041007317#post1041007317

Until the Kelvin S24 arrives, the H220 is the only AIO that is allowed by warranty to be extended to include other watercooling components, but Swiftech has been difficult with RMA, not honoring people's defective pumps because they think the GPU doesn't meet the required PSU's output (total BS).
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I'm actually doing a full loop so that is why the Fractal would have been perfect. I already have the graphics card, a PowerColor one with the waterblock pre-installed. So my best bet would probably be H220, Glacer 240L or fully custom with some CPU waterblock/pump combo. If I don't have watercooling I can't install the graphics card and I'm not too keen on going without it until nov. We'll see though. Are Swiftech troublesome regarding warranty even with the SilverStone SX600-G?
 
It depends. They didn't honor someone's RMA request because Swiftech's support saw a PSU recommendation for a 600W PSU for his GPU, which is just a blanket recommendation for people with extraordinary builds or crappy PSU's. But even though his pump failed unrelated to this, they wouldn't help him replace the H220 which is known to have a high failure rate on the pump.
 
Phuncz said:
It depends. They didn't honor someone's RMA request because Swiftech's support saw a PSU recommendation for a 600W PSU for his GPU, which is just a blanket recommendation for people with extraordinary builds or crappy PSU's. But even though his pump failed unrelated to this, they wouldn't help him replace the H220 which is known to have a high failure rate on the pump.
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Is your experience good with the H220 so far? I don't want something with a pump that fails on me within half a year.
 
My first one was DOA (Dead On Arrival), I had to exchange it. The replacement has been running smoothly. The issue I mentioned before was from another member recently. Since the pump in the H220 is prone to failure, I think it is important that the Technical Support is not being difficult in replacing it, but it apparently is.
 
For those of you that will be watercooling everything, how is the quality of the Frozen Q reservoir nowadays? A few months ago there were some severe quality control issues after their workshop had a fire last year.
Did anyone order one in the meantime?

I will probably be traveling (by car) with my NCase in the future so the FrozenQ will fit better with the Softshell bag designed for it.

At the very least it will be easier than the AquaTube I had planned:
 
I seem to remem er frozenq aknolwedged their quality issues an stated it was sorted out a couple of months back, but i don't think anyone has reported buying one after that. As i agree it seems a more elegant solution, how about contacting frozenq directly with your concerns. They might be able to confirm/guarantee things ard fixed, which would make an eventual complaint at a later stage a lot stronger.

it would probably be worth the effort for a better looking more user friendly build if it turns out ok.
 
Hi everybody. I had my build just about ready to go when my aging EVGA GTX 570 started having some problems. I RMA'd it and received a GTX 760 in return. While I greatly appreciate the upgrade, now I have an open air cooler GPU, when I had planned my build around the blower 570. Would anyone have any suggestions as to whether and how I would need to change the build? I'll list my specs below, but the gist is that I had planned to cool the whole rig with a single Noctua NH-C14 on the CPU with no OC, mounting an SSD in the optical drive space in front and a 3.5 drive on the bottom. Will I need additional case fans? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Intel Core i5 2500K
Noctua NH-C14
Asus P8Z77-I DELUXE
Corsair XMS3 8GB DDR3 1333MHz
Intel 520 120 GB SSD
Western Digital Black 2 TB
EVGA GTX 760
 
Phuncz said:
My first one was DOA (Dead On Arrival), I had to exchange it. The replacement has been running smoothly. The issue I mentioned before was from another member recently. Since the pump in the H220 is prone to failure, I think it is important that the Technical Support is not being difficult in replacing it, but it apparently is.
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What about the Cooler Master Glacer 240L or the Eisberg 240L Prestige, they should fit right? If so that would sure be nice. The Eisberg seems like a solid cooler.

Thanks for your help!
 
You are right !
I updated my list, I forgot about the Glacier 240L, though only available in the US what I can tell.

The Prestige is more difficult because it has a much taller pump with top ports (but replaceable), I'm not sure it would fit even with 90-degree fittings.
 
Thinking about trying to force a H220X in the Ncase. Maybe removing the pump and trailing it somewhere else?

Can someone with an SX600-G take measurements from the 120mm mounting bracket on the inside to the top of the PSU? Or link me something that shows I can't flip the unit backwards. I am browsing the thread to force this thing in there.

I'm this close to ordering one to test... For science. And because I really think it can be done.
 
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Motaa said:
Thinking about trying to force a H220X in the Ncase. Maybe removing the pump and trailing it somewhere else?

Can someone with an SX600-G take measurements from the 120mm mounting bracket on the inside to the top of the PSU? Or link me something that shows I can't flip the unit backwards. I am browsing the thread to force this thing in there.

I'm this close to ordering one to test... For science. And because I really think it can be done.
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I really don't think it's going to happen, sadly. The pump appears to be directly integrated into the reservoir, which means that not only can it not be removed, but it also prevents a fan from being installed on that side. Which means the radiator+fans assembly can't be reduced much below its 115mm thickness. The distance from the fan bracket to the SFX bracket is 85mm, while from the fan bracket to the top of the motherboard I/O shield is about 97mm.

If you don't want to risk the H220/Glacer 240L and you need an expandable loop, the options are either go custom with an Apogee Drive or a separate CPU block and pump on the bottom, or wait for the Fractal Design Kelvin.
 
Motaa, for the orientation that I think you are suggesting, the reservoir inlet will be pointing upwards and the pump will suck air.

edit: ninja'd by Necere again, spent too long looking at design drawings of the H220X!
 
Wouldn't it be possible to install a smaller fan on the side of the pump, like a 100mm or 92mm ? It might help reduce it's dimensions. I would rather go with another solution but just to keep the option open.
 
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Phuncz said:
Wouldn't it be possible to install a smaller fan on the side of the pump, like a 100mm or 92mm ? It might help reduce it's dimensions. I would rather go with another solution but just to keep the option open.
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Considering the pump+reservoir is going to be at least 40mm thick, and that the width of the H220X rad is 126mm, the best you can probably hope for is an 80mm fan.
 
Phuncz said:
You are right !
I updated my list, I forgot about the Glacier 240L, though only available in the US what I can tell.

The Prestige is more difficult because it has a much taller pump with top ports (but replaceable), I'm not sure it would fit even with 90-degree fittings.
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Because I have full height ram I'm unsure of the Glacer fitting. The only possible orientation would be with the inlet and outlet running vertical I think, and even then it could conflict with the northbridge on the Z97I-Plus I have. That's why the Prestige would be perfect but as you said being tall (67mm) it most likely wont fit with the extra height of fittings and tubing.

Does anyone know the internal clearance from motherboard LGA socket to the opposite side of the case. How much of the width measurement is usable space in order to fit a slim rad with fans + the eisberg solo pump/block combo?
 
Do all H220 loops need to be flushed prior to use? I read something about plastic shavings inside..?
 
Bosom said:
Do all H220 loops need to be flushed prior to use? I read something about plastic shavings inside..?
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No. It should work out of the box, that's what the warranty covers. Test first on just the CPU and make sure you are happy with the operation. Then, if you want to expand the loop and include a GPU block, you can flush it if you want, but it shouldn't be necessary.
 
Bosom said:
Do all H220 loops need to be flushed prior to use? I read something about plastic shavings inside..?
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Just out of the box for cpu only no you don't have to flush it out. To add the GPU yes, you do need to flush it out to expand and in either cases no, there should be absolutely no plastic shavings inside.
 
Now that we are on the topic of the H220: I disassembled my PC to prepare for the shift to the Maximus VII Impact motherboard. I found no flakes on discoloring in my fluid (Feser One) from using the H220 with the EK FCWB R9-290 Acetal+Nickel.

I mention this because people were worried about the liquid being potentially harmful and the Nickel on the EK block having been under scrutiny in the past.
 
I can't decide if I should get a block for my Asus DC2OC 290X or wait and try to get a EVGA Hydro that already has the block on it with the 980s come out.... decisions, decisions..

it would be about 180 to get an EK block and backplate from Frozen CPU... hm...

also, this has kind of given me a bug... i think I might get a fractal t12 and integrate my wifes GPU (280x) into that loop in her lian li v354b....
 
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Work in progress.

Sill missing:
Ncase...
Asus 9X0 GTX
Cooling solution ???

Oh and for the curious about the Corsair Platinum RAM:
Height from VRM board vs Height from table in inches

Why inches? BECAUSE AMERICA.

 
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Motaa said:
Height from VRM board vs Height from table in inches

Why inches? BECAUSE AMERICA.
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While I'm not going to argue that one is better than the other, the Metric system is used a lot more for case and component measurements instead of the Imperial system, so you are not helping Americans either.
 
Phuncz said:
While I'm not going to argue that one is better than the other, the Metric system is used a lot more for case and component measurements instead of the Imperial system, so you are not helping Americans either.
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It's all useful, but rather meaningless. If aliens landed on earth today, they'd have no idea what 1/4" or 20-stone or a furlong is.

I grew up when US schools were trying to transition to the metric system, and now use both somewhat poorly, without much rhyme or reason. Celsius for components, Fahrenheit for the weather and cooking.. miles for driving, millimeters for stuff smaller than a cell phone, and inches for anything larger. Gallons of gas, liters of vodka, pounds of pot, grams of coke.. it's all quite stupid :D
 
Haha.

Is it even possible to do mental arithmetic (just google translated that so sorry if i'm off. "Math in your head") with that imperial stuff??? In metric you can convert just bay moving commas around.

BTW here in Norway we use metric for everything but car rims and monitors/TVs (inches), and boat size (feet). It makes no sense at all.

Maybe we should move this discussion to the "next ncase project tread" since nothing is happening there atm. Hehe.
 
Bosom said:
Eagerly awaiting US economy shipping v2.

My planned build:

have new:
ASUS Z97I-PLUS
Silverstone SX600-G
2x8GB Crucial Ballistix Sport VLP
i5 4690K
UJ-265 Blu Ray burner
Swiftech H220
Crucial MX100 512GB SSD
1TB Seagate Hybrid drive

Initially I'm going to use a MSI 7770 for the GPU. Then once I can get a EVGA Hydro Copper GTX 980, that's what I want. Possibly a GTX 970.

I also need to get a Sata slim adapter cable, and I have a couple sets of fans I am going to try, cougars, and some of the white blade gentle typhoon clones.. I guess I need to get some clamps and some extra tubing to add the GPU into the H220 loop also.
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Ordered the EVGA GTX 980 SC. Now I just have to get a block for it.

This is the only design I see out....http://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fc980-gtx-acetal.html

Is this the block to I should get or should I wait for XSPCs design ?
 
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