Monitors with the new DisplayPort 1.3 and HDMI 2.0

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Monitors and TV's with the new DisplayPort 1.3 and HDMI 2.0

I'm trying to find out when we can expect to see the new DisplayPort 1.3 and HDMI 2.0 on 20-22 inch displays, preferably with NVidia's GSync and/or AMD's "Project FreeSync" or "Adaptive-Sync"

I know that Seiki has Announced 28", 32", 40" 4K Monitors with HDMI 2.0 and Displayport 1.3.

DisplayPort:

http://www.displayport.org

http://www.youtube.com/user/VESADisplayPort/videos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#1.3

HDMI

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_2.0
 
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Is there a reason that you need a monitor like that right now? A 1080p display does not require the extra bandwidth of DP 1.3 or HDMI 2.0. FreeSync and Adaptive Sync are built into the current DP 1.2 spec, with monitors supporting these features expected to release September/October. GSync is also currently supported by DP 1.2. It's important to note that no current video card on the market supports DP 1.3 and/or HDMI 2.0, and we have no concrete information on the next generation of video cards from both AMD or NVIDIA at this point.
 
I think the correct thing to say is that monitors with DP1.3 should be ActiveSync compatible. NVIDIA hasn't said anything about "compatibility" with DP1.3 yet, although all the tech needed for G-Sync is there.
 
As FreeSync is just "optional" addition in DP 1.2a, imho listing DP 1.3 among display device ports might not mean sure support of it either.
 
Displayport 1.3 isn't even finalized yet; that seems to have slid from the Q2 2014 estimation, so it sure as hell is not going to be on this year's Nvidia or AMD video cards and probably won't be until late next year. And that's assuming DP 1.3 does get finalized this year, which is far from certain at this point.

Upgrading a port standard is a big freaking deal that you can't just slap on at the last minute before the cards go out the door. Video card designs are "taped out" at least 6 months before they hit the shelves, and new port standards don't go in after taping out.

Oh, and ASUS Reminds Us That 4K Monitors With 120Hz Are Still 1 To 2 Years Away.
 
If it rarely happen for common fullhd, it might lag even more with appearing in 4K niche. One shouldn't be overly too optimistic of expecting everything newest/fastest as soon as some standard gets finalized. It takes ages for that to be actually implemented "in iron", and even more so, in common "iron".
 
Blade-Runner said:
I hope we aren't going to have to wait years until manufacturers pull their thumbs out of their collective arses and start actually releasing 4K panels that can run at 120hz.
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See my link above, in which ASUS says: "4K at 120Hz (or 8K at 60Hz) will require DisplayPort 1.3 (which is not a finalised spec yet), and we estimate 1-2 years before there is the DP 1.3 spec, GPU support, and a scalar chip for the LCD electronics that could support this. HDMI 2.0 is only good for 4K at 60Hz".

Remember that ASUS happens to make video cards as well as 120Hz displays, so if anyone is expecting the GTX 980 to have DP 1.3 now that it's finalized, expect to be very disappointed, for reasons I already posted above.
 
GTX 980 will seem acceptable choice to me if it will have hdmi 2.0. Yes, it's not enough for 120Hz, but i never wanted that much. If i'm ok with lesser resolutions @60Hz, why wouldn't i be ok with 4K@60Hz? I still need SST with said mode & large panel size. Only ones providing it are TVs .. with HDMI 2.0. (I know of panasonic 4K TVs with displayport, but those use MST).
 
I don't think the GPU's from both AMD and NVIDIA currently being worked on for a late 14/early15 release will have DP 1.3. This means you won't really see DP 1.3 "working" until the end of 15 or sometime in 2016 IMO.

Companies are so timid these days I wouldn't be surprised if they even have HDMI 2.0 ports on the next GPU's. Innovation these days is incredibly slow. Would be pretty sad. We've had the same basic GPU architecture for like three years now with these two companies.
 
I would bet on next amd gpus to have DP 1.2a though, with freesync support. Not rised bandwith for 4K, but at least with that gsync analog.
 
Church said:
I would bet on next amd gpus to have DP 1.2a though, with freesync support. Not rised bandwith for 4K, but at least with that gsync analog.
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But their current GPUs also support that, so it's no biggie.
 
Current already do? Then fine. Pitty current ones don't do HDMI 2.0 as well. I don't care about ability to use 24-31.5" 4K monitor, but i'd love ability using 50" 4K TV, hence it's needed (nvidia's hack of using lossy 4:2:0 chroma subsampling compression via HDMI 1.4 - NOT an answer)
 
Yes, the new NVIDIA GPU has HDMI 2.0. As for DP 1.3, I don't think we will see that until the next GPU generation.

Once that happens, open the flood gates for 120 Hz 4K!
 
courteous said:
Bump.

Are there any DP 1.3 monitors already in pipeline? And are GPUs (either discrete or integrated) already capable of DP 1.3?

In meantime, VESA already standardised DP 1.4a.
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No, they standardized eDP 1.4a, updating it from 1.4. That's the standard for laptops, notebooks and mobile, not for desktop.

The GTX Titan X is DP 1.2. Since the GTX 980 Ti is rumored to be a modified Titan X, I'm going to guess it will also have 1.2; Nvidia could surprise us by testing out DP 1.3 on the 980 Ti, but that would be a big surprise. Nvidia's next generation, which I expect to launch no earlier than November 2015, will have had enough time that I would fully expect it to have DP 1.3. A GTX 950/950 Ti release might test DP 1.3.

Will AMD will put DP 1.3 on the 390x? That would be a tough call to start their next generation without DP 1.3, but was DP 1.3 standardized soon enough to make it in to the taping out process? Who knows, flip a coin.
 
evilsofa said:
The GTX Titan X is DP 1.2. Since the GTX 980 Ti is rumored to be a modified Titan X, I'm going to guess it will also have 1.2; Nvidia could surprise us by testing out DP 1.3 on the 980 Ti, but that would be a big surprise. Nvidia's next generation, which I expect to launch no earlier than November 2015, will have had enough time that I would fully expect it to have DP 1.3. A GTX 950/950 Ti release might test DP 1.3. Will AMD will put DP 1.3 on the 390x? That would be a tough call to start their next generation without DP 1.3, but was DP 1.3 standardized soon enough to make it in to the taping out process? Who knows, flip a coin.
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There is no pressure on manufacturers to intro DP 1.3 quickly since practically the DP 1.2 is nowadays working fine with 4K. Situation was bit different with the HDMI 2.0 since at high-end people do not want to be left out from possibility to connect their 4K TVs, and this is why NVidia solved this. But for the DP 1.3 there is no such issue, it is more like the chicken-egg problem: no DP 1.3 monitors->no DP 1.3 cards->no DP 1.3 monitors->...
 
Is it really that difficult/cost prohibitive to put in DP 1.3 instead of 1.2 that they have to have a really valid reason?

While I can't imagine that it is, hence my tone, it really is an honest question since I honestly don't know.
 
evilsofa said:
Displayport 1.3 isn't even finalized yet; that seems to have slid from the Q2 2014 estimation, so it sure as hell is not going to be on this year's Nvidia or AMD video cards and probably won't be until late next year. And that's assuming DP 1.3 does get finalized this year, which is far from certain at this point.

Upgrading a port standard is a big freaking deal that you can't just slap on at the last minute before the cards go out the door. Video card designs are "taped out" at least 6 months before they hit the shelves, and new port standards don't go in after taping out.

Oh, and ASUS Reminds Us That 4K Monitors With 120Hz Are Still 1 To 2 Years Away.
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Jesus, how god damn long does it take them to finalize a god damn spec ?!!??!?!?!?!? They need to stop WAITING. Taking way too long, monitors and tvs are waiting on their slow asses, standalone set top boxes have to delay 4k streaming because they can't get their sh*t together. I do NOT want to live in a world where the built in smart tv software stack is the only game in town for 4k.
 
tybert7 said:
Jesus, how god damn long does it take them to finalize a god damn spec ?!!??!?!?!?!? They need to stop WAITING. Taking way too long, monitors and tvs are waiting on their slow asses, standalone set top boxes have to delay 4k streaming because they can't get their sh*t together. I do NOT want to live in a world where the built in smart tv software stack is the only game in town for 4k.
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I'm pretty concerned about cable length as DP 1.2 already requires a somewhat short cable to work properly. Can't imagine the troubles we'll run into with DP 1.3
 
MistaSparkul said:
I'm pretty concerned about cable length as DP 1.2 already requires a somewhat short cable to work properly. Can't imagine the troubles we'll run into with DP 1.3
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Then supermhl can take over if those do better, hdmi and the people who control that standard are so behind the times I don't think anyone can count on them to do ANYTHING forward looking.
 
tybert7 said:
Jesus, how god damn long does it take them to finalize a god damn spec ?!!??!?!?!?!? They need to stop WAITING. Taking way too long, monitors and tvs are waiting on their slow asses, standalone set top boxes have to delay 4k streaming because they can't get their sh*t together. I do NOT want to live in a world where the built in smart tv software stack is the only game in town for 4k.
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Whaaaaa???? Get life man. 4K TVs have HDMI 2.0 and it is next to impossible they will ever get DP. If you want to use your computer with 4K TV buy NVidia recent card with HDMI 2.0 After using my 32"@4K BenQ monitor it is evident the DP 1.3 issue is vastly overrated, one connects with the DP 1.2 and forgets about it. DP 1.3 is non-issue for the present 4K, may come with the 120 Hz monitors and/or when bigger then 4K resolutions become popular.
 
The display industry is an absolute joke. I can't get over how lazy and miserable these companies are.

Remember when technology used to actually improve over time? The pace of this industry is GLACIAL. We'll all be dead before this shitty industry releases one decent monitor.

Geezus
 
Armenius said:
A 1080p display does not require the extra bandwidth of DP 1.3 or HDMI 2.0.
It does at extremely high refresh rates. If a manufacturer wanted to release a true 480Hz 1080p LCD, DP1.3 would be the only way to do it.
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