New [H]ardOCP GPU Testing Displays

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We are looking to move to ~28" 4K displays for ALL of our GPU editors. We are of course looking for affordability and 60Hz support or better.

Please let me know any suggestions you might have. Obviously we have to buy a few so we are looking for a good performance/affordability mix.
 
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The ASUS PB287Q and Samsung U28D590D are probably going to be your best choices. They both use the same 8-bit+FRC TN panel if I'm not mistaken, with 1ms GTG pixel response and SST. Both can be had for around $600 US right now. IPS panels at that size are still in the $1,000+ range right now, and input lag can be a problem at 4k.
 
Or if you are in no hurry, i'd wait for next gen 40" 4K seiki with updated input options. Shouldn't cost much more then these 28" ones, yet will have way less issues with scaling due more reasonable dpi. Replacing big batch of monitors soon again or live with said scaling issues or using TN panels in these .. i wouldn't wish to make such choices/suffer with having to work with such monitors.
 
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The Samsung has high input lag, a poor stand and the glossy black bezel makes dark content look washed out and blacks look greyish. The PB287Q has a nice matte grey be bezel and is easily the best 4K TN.

Wait for the 32" Asus PA328Q, BenQ BL3201PT and Seki's(VA) if you don't want a TN.
 
NCX said:
The Samsung has high input lag, a poor stand and the glossy black bezel makes dark content look washed out and blacks look greyish. The PB287Q has a nice matte grey be bezel and is easily the best 4K TN.

Wait for the 32" Asus PA328Q, BenQ BL3201PT and Seki's(VA) if you don't want a TN.
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Never mind... It is only a 30Hz panel :eek:.
 
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Thanks, I was in a rush guys so I grabbed three of the ASUS PB287Q.

I am waiting for a 40" 4K 60Hz to replace my current aging 3 display setup with.
 
mike_j_johnson said:
Wait for the G-Sync 4K display. I believe it is being made by Acer?
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I doubt we will be using G-Sync any time soon in GPU reviews. Given its barrier to entry currently, I think Free-Sync will be the long term choice.
 
Firepc said:
Freesync is no good for Nvidia GPU reviews though as they have no interest in supporting it. :p I don't really see the point in GSync or Freesync for GPU reviews though. :confused:
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We will see how it all goes. But when considering GSync in our reviews, I think it would be fair to consider the cost of the display into the cost of the card. If we see the Free-Sync standard get applied, I would hope that all would come on board.
 
If in market there would be just nvidia and amd, then very slightly, but i would bet more on gsync. But as there is also intel, and due it ruling integrated gpu market, imho freesync win long term is undisputable. It's free, thus can be implemented not just for green & red vendor pair. And it's in DP 1.2a/1.3. And once intel starts support it, i doubt many monitor vendors will doubt twice as to which from two technologies they should implement (doing both should be too costly). At the end Nvidia also will support it .. after many years of useless struggle to push gsync outside very few monitor model niche, even when market majority by then featured freesync support for already long time.
 
Does anyone know if this has been fixed? Sorry for my ignorance, but displays are not one of the things we cover.

Check this out, I was reading some reviews of the PB287Q

http://techreport.com/review/26510/4k-for-649-asus-pb287q-monitor-reviewed/3

"The other snag we experienced with our review unit has to do with the display resolutions exposed to the host system by the monitor's firmware. As you can see above, some very important options are missing, including lower resolutions with the same aspect ratio, like 2560x1400 and 1920x1080. These modes are absent in the Windows control panel and in a bunch of the games I tried, too. As I said above, you're going to want those lower resolutions sometimes for gaming."

"Asus tells me it plans to fix this problem with a firmware update for shipping versions of the PB287Q"

We need to check with ASUS and see if this issue is fixed and if that firmware is available to update our displays if they aren't already updated. This article was from June so there might be one now.


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LigTasm said:
I had the PB287Q for a while and had no problems using 1920x1080 or 2560x1440. I got rid of it because many of the games I play don't have UI scaling so the text was microscopic at 4k, but other than that it worked fine (barring the popping/black screening which I guess was fixed with a better DP cable).
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Good to know, I figured it had been fixed by now but wanted to know for sure. For game testing the UI scaling is not that important.
 
WOW This is great fucking news!!!! Finally don't have to go elsewhere to find a decent monitor review.

I would LOVE if you guys could put more of an emphasis to testing 120hz+ monitors, and what kind of hardware is needed to "try" to sustain those framerates.

I mean 4k testing is great and all, but 1440p 120hz isnt easy to run at all either.

Cannot wait to see the first review!!
 
DASHlT said:
WOW This is great fucking news!!!! Finally don't have to go elsewhere to find a decent monitor review.

I would LOVE if you guys could put more of an emphasis to testing 120hz+ monitors, and what kind of hardware is needed to "try" to sustain those framerates.

I mean 4k testing is great and all, but 1440p 120hz isnt easy to run at all either.

Cannot wait to see the first review!!
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Read the title and first post next time. And calm down. This is about testing GPUs not monitors.
 
Firepc said:
Read the title and first post next time. And calm down. This is about testing GPUs not monitors.
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No kidding...I had no idea to play games at 120hz or 4k you need gpu's to drive them.

Wow I totally learned something new today /sarcasm off
 
DASHlT said:
No kidding...I had no idea to play games at 120hz or 4k you need gpu's to drive them.

Wow I totally learned something new today /sarcasm off
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This thread is about testing GPUs and which monitors to use to test them with. It isn't about reviewing monitors which your post implied.
 
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Thanks for the replies, I'm excited about our new ASUS PB287Q's. We have the options of Dual HDMI, HDMI/MHL, and DP 1.2, 8-bit+FNC (basically close to 10-bit), SST (big winrar), TN which is honestly better for pure gaming since there is less input lag, and these displays will be used for nothing but gaming, 1ms GtG, these are the right displays for us.

We are now moving to standard 16:9 common gaming resolutions. 1920x1080 (1080p), 2560x1440 (1440p), 3840x2160 (4K).

Stay tuned for the first review. There will be a couple of reviews coming up that will overlap, until we catch up with reviews using the new displays.
 
The 4K TN's are not much faster than the best 60hz, multi-input 1440p AHVA/IPS/PLS, and only the PB287Q has less than a frame of input lag (the iiyama, Philips and Samsung have 2 frame delays according to PRAD). The others have 1-2 frames of lag vs. 10ms for the Asus which is more than the overclock-able 27"1440p IPS/PLS which can run @96hz+ and are better suited for gaming and consumer friendly bench marks IMO. The higher bit depth is negated by the more pronounced gamma shift vs. smaller TN's.

Should send me a PB287Q first to review for [H] :)
 
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I think many of us would also appreciate GPU testing at 1440p & 120Hz. I suspect many [H] readers are gaming on overclocked Koreans and with the release of the SWIFT, this resolution and refresh rate will only increase in popularity.
 
NukeDukem said:
I think many of us would also appreciate GPU testing at 1440p & 120Hz. I suspect many [H] readers are gaming on overclocked Koreans and with the release of the SWIFT, this resolution and refresh rate will only increase in popularity.
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This is very true. I am glad to see [H] keeping up & ahead with the times but this would really help the few that are early adopters and may have a halo effect in bringing more readers to [H]!

May your panels be perfect & framerates high.

Oh and hows about a 4k surround test for giggles? :D
 
NukeDukem said:
I think many of us would also appreciate GPU testing at 1440p & 120Hz. I suspect many [H] readers are gaming on overclocked Koreans and with the release of the SWIFT, this resolution and refresh rate will only increase in popularity.
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We test with VSYNC off so we aren't limited by framerate, so our performance are not constrained by refresh rate.

Unless you mean for us to target an average of 120 FPS, or a minimum of 120 FPS, which would mean having to turn down a LOT of in-game quality settings to maintain framerates THAT high.

In most games we target an avg of 35-40fps, some games 50fps, with a minimum never below 30 for smooth gameplay. Except for BF4 Multiplayer, we target 60 FPS as the average. We look at it on a game-to-game basis, certain ones need a different level of AVG framerate to maintain smoothness and playability.
 
I hope you bought enough of them to give us some multi-monitor 4K gaming reviews. When you did the R9 295X2 CF review it certainly appeared that your 5760x1200 Eyefinity setup was no match for the cards.
 
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