i7 4770k confusing temps.

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catalzzy

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Hello,

I have recently installed on new Asus H97 and it is able to overclock my i7. Though the temperature is rather confusing. I am using Coolermaster seidon XL. I have manually override the core, voltage and turned off the turbo. For now i am using at stock speed by x35 and manually overridden the voltage to stock voltage at 1.053.

Before it was automatic and it keeps crashing plus the turbo wont reach full speed at 3.9 rated turbo speed and it reaches up to 3.69. The voltage changes to 1.150 while turboed.

I have used intel burn test and it was success @1.053v 3500ghz. BUT the temperature seem to be wrong to me though.

Please have a look at the two pictures and what just went wrong? is not my cpu block seated properly?






Thanks
 
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Your images are thumbnails..

Edit: I downloaded the picture. Hmm, its strange that ASUS does not know the proper formula to read temperatures on an ASUS motherboard. Although the RealTemp looked consistent with HWMonitor.
 
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Hard to tell what's going on. Your realtemp temperatures look fine, but -21C is a little strange from the Asus Utility.

So if you have the board at stock speeds/stock voltages with turbo boost enabled, it will not pass IBT?
 
i am using image shack and the max i can do is those silly thumbnails....cause i am not paying for it haha

"So if you have the board at stock speeds/stock voltages with turbo boost enabled, it will not pass IBT? "

yup cause the voltage keeps rising. to either 1.150 to 1.200 and max turbo is 3.69ghz which it is not supposed to be plus the during IBT the temp rose to 90c though it didnt throttle.

Is the temp sensor faulty? or the block is placed wrongly? Here is the image of my pc below.



Thanks
 
Hard to tell from picture if its making bad contact. The bigger problem is it's not passing IBT at stock speeds/voltage with normal turbo boost.

Newer bios available for the board? Did you reset the bios to default? It shouldn't go up to 1.2V without changing voltage in bios.
 
Try the following:
Turn the voltage settings in BIOS to manual, not adaptive or offset--same for cache. Turn EIST off. Turn turbo on. Turn c-states to ENabled and package c-state to enabled.
 
Oh and the stock voltage isn't enough, obviously. Put it at something realistic like 1.16
 
you are confused how these cpu's work.

the cpu by default with turbo is set "per core" in the bios, meaning not all cores will run 3.9ghz under load, and only the minimum core will be displayed under cpu-z or other programs.

btw, 1.053v is not a stock voltage when 4770k is stressed, more like 1.2v like my 4770k..

and if you set x35 manually, don't expect 3.9ghz because you set x35 as multiplier, meaning that is your max turbo of 3.5ghz.
 
TroyX said:
you are confused how these cpu's work.

the cpu by default with turbo is set "per core" in the bios, meaning not all cores will run 3.9ghz under load, and only the minimum core will be displayed under cpu-z or other programs.

btw, 1.053v is not a stock voltage when 4770k is stressed, more like 1.2v like my 4770k..

and if you set x35 manually, don't expect 3.9ghz because you set x35 as multiplier, meaning that is your max turbo of 3.5ghz.
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Why do some other people say 1.2v is kind of high?

I switched off the turbo and set to x35 stock speed.
 
Is the temp sensor faulty?
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I say it is a bug in the ASUS software (that they do not know how to interpret the value of sensor on their own board). Did you get the latest ASUS Utility?
 
Bluesun311 said:
Try the following:
Turn the voltage settings in BIOS to manual, not adaptive or offset--same for cache. Turn EIST off. Turn turbo on. Turn c-states to ENabled and package c-state to enabled.
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Right, I have done your instructions except i left the voltage to auto.

I have successfully did intel burn test for 20 times that took like 2 hours something. The max voltage it reached was at 1.210v and the speed keeps varying from 3691-3861mhz.

The thing is now when i turned off EIST. It stays at 3890mhz idle and it never drops to 800mhz idle.

What is worrying me is the temperature. Here is my screenshot of the recent burn test.



Thanks
 
The temps are higher because you are leaving the voltage on auto... We can't see your screenshots. If you want it idling at 800mhz turn EIST back on. It won't help your temps at all, though. Temps concern voltage.
 
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I see.

I am using imageshack and the max is thumbnails. I have to pay to get a bigger size...
Have to download to see the big size...

So the best voltage would be like around 1.1x?

My temp seem to be wrong because I am using seidon 120xl.

The bios says wrong too which I can't make sure which ones is correct from hw monitor and real temp.
 
Try photobucket. Imageshack I'm not familiar with but when we try to look at your links by clicking the Thumbnail it's broken.

About manual voltage it's hard to say what the best voltage is. It's different for each chip. That's why auto is convenient. But when you are using IBT to test, the auto setting can raise the voltage unnecessarily and effect your temps. That said, 1.21v isn't very high voltage. I'm confused on your temps too! I don't actually know what they are. Real temp is more reliable than hwmonitor in some occasions, hwm will sometimes have information labeled incorrectly.
 
drescherjm said:
I say it is a bug in the ASUS software (that they do not know how to interpret the value of sensor on their own board). Did you get the latest ASUS Utility?
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I think this post is correct. The temp is being reported incorrectly by the bios. Need to make sure you have latest ASUS bios for your motherboard. RT is probably correct, what is it reporting for max temp on IBT? 80c+ on haswell in IBT is normal. They have a very wide range of thermals. I would use 1.21v for your voltage in manual and leave it like that. If you take my advice on c-state settings, ENabled package c-state enabled, your CPU will idle at very low voltage. The processor speed is pretty much irrelevant for temps at idle. I don't like speed/step EIST because it's useless power saving feature for laptops. We can idle at full speed but low voltage and use little power anyway. EIST actually affects browsing performance. The proc is all over the place and things end up choppy.
 
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I have set the voltage to manual and its now 1.212 though i have inputted 1.210.

It is now running turbo mode though it never drops to 3500mhz..

Here are the pics of what i have done yesterday and today. the temps are better though how did it change from yesterday. i am completely puzzled....









Is the cpu block placed wrongly?

thanks
 
Helppppp.. I tried to take out the cpu block and to clean the thermal paste. I just bought a new apparently better one called deepcool z5.

It won't boot. Blank screen. Then I kept changing the block angles but still the same. I have repeated reseating the cpu block and it's still the same.

I am worried now!! Until then when I plugged in psu suddenly it turns on but the fans went on then turn off. The cold cathode flickers.

What is happening now. My aim was to reseat the cpu block to improve the temps and now I am having problems now. I don't want to burn more money.
 
If you get your computer going again, go into the RealTemp - Settings window and click on the Defaults button. It looks like you originally ran RealTemp on a different CPU (3rd Gen?) so it is using the wrong TJ Max value. Pushing the Defaults button will get RealTemp to read the correct value from your new CPU. After that, push OK to exit the Settings window so the new TJ Max value is saved in the RealTemp config file.

Not sure what is wrong with the Asus software.

These 4th Gen CPUs can run very hot unless everything is perfect. Are you using enough thermal paste? How are you applying it? Another common problem reported on Newegg is stripped mounting screws. One stripped screw could be a major problem.
 
catalzzy said:
Helppppp.. I tried to take out the cpu block and to clean the thermal paste. I just bought a new apparently better one called deepcool z5.

It won't boot. Blank screen. Then I kept changing the block angles but still the same. I have repeated reseating the cpu block and it's still the same.

I am worried now!! Until then when I plugged in psu suddenly it turns on but the fans went on then turn off. The cold cathode flickers.

What is happening now. My aim was to reseat the cpu block to improve the temps and now I am having problems now. I don't want to burn more money.
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You're going to have to trouble shoot your items one at a time. I'd start with a single stick of memory and a stock CPU cooler if you have one.
 
Hello

I have trouble shoot everything. I thought it might be a bad psu and instead I bought a new one. I realise it wasn't the psu. The cooler I am using is coolermaster seidon 120xl and that's causing not to boot. I tried to stock hsf and it booted fine. When I try the seidon and the problem persists. I have looked for any loose screws, checked the cpu connection and so on. I checked for any contact between the seidon and the surrounding though I found none. I don't know what to do cause it's giving me 2 days problems with no booting and that seidon xl.

Thanks
 
catalzzy said:
Hello

I have trouble shoot everything. I thought it might be a bad psu and instead I bought a new one. I realise it wasn't the psu. The cooler I am using is coolermaster seidon 120xl and that's causing not to boot. I tried to stock hsf and it booted fine. When I try the seidon and the problem persists. I have looked for any loose screws, checked the cpu connection and so on. I checked for any contact between the seidon and the surrounding though I found none. I don't know what to do cause it's giving me 2 days problems with no booting and that seidon xl.

Thanks
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Might be that the mounting of the Seidon warps the board slightly causing it to short and not boot in case.
 
you mean the stand off screws? i dont think its that tight cause i just screw until it stop. thats it including the top screws too. It dosent look like its tight to me. should i get another AIO or something?

oh by the way, when i installed the intel stock hsf and the temps are back to normal and its showing true temps of idle at 38c in the bios.
 
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