Gamer Gets Swatted On Live Stream

Modred189 said:
Non-cops, non-attorneys squeeling over what they see as illegal and unfair and overuse of force etc. All of it based on an ignorance of the law and a knee-jerk reaction to a shitty situation.

IMHO, the cops handled it VERY well. They were fast, professional and weren't a dick to the guy. Other than the one snapping at him for laughing, which let's be honest was an honest snap (despite the hilarity of the situation), they all were polite and businesslike.

If an honest citizen is going to get caught up in some douche-canoe's prank, at least the LEOs handled it professionally.
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Several cops in my family and I almost became one myself. I am also quite familiar with the law and our constitutional rights.

The response was Unwarranted and over the top. Sorry but it was. I personally have zero problems with cops, I do have problems with the minority of them that abuse their position. It doesn't take long to assess the situation and recognize the guy is not a threat and is just a kid playing games.

The Search of his cellphone with no permission and no warrant was flagrantly unlawful and a flat out violation of his rights.

The taking down of the Camera was Also unlawful.

Now I'll grant you they had to respond to a call of shooting and bomb threat. Clearly they had to show up and respond. However that does not in any way take the rights of individuals and toss them out the window.
 
Steve said:
The cops are just doing their jobs. If you guys want to be mad at someone, be mad at the guy that called this in.

In fact, it would be awesome to see the live stream of THAT GUY when he gets busted. ;)
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And thinking like this is the reason shit like this continues to happen. You can't just be a fucking drone and follow orders without question. This isn't the military and hell, even in the military they have statutes which permit disregarding of illegal orders.

There is no accountability and until cops, politicians, etc. lose their jobs or accept personal legal consequences, this kind of shit will continue to occur.
 
I fear for my life whenever I see a police officer. Do I have the right to shoot the police on sight? If the police fear for their life they shoot unarmed citizens and pets.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Terrorists absolutely won. We've wasted the past 13 years bombing mud huts, pissing people off, and rebuilding mud huts, spending trillions in dollars and thousands and thousands of shattered young American lives.

You have former police chiefs in op-eds in the NYTimes justifying getting all this military equipment due to, "The exponential increase in danger after 9/11". Which actually hasn't happened, it's simply been exponentially increased fear-mongering since 9/11. You're more likely to get hit by lightning - twice - than die in a terrorist attack in the United States.
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But this isn't in any way due to the effectiveness of anti-terror operations?

You point is self defeating.
 
Ashbringer said:
I was surprised they didn't shoot him too. Gun crazed cops are getting out of control.
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Was going to link a story TYT did about a grandmother and her grand kids getting SWATted but I can find the link.
Pretty much they bust out the house's windows, toss flash bangs, and kicked in the door after a quiet knock announce all of witch they filmed.
 
lilbabycat said:
The recent stories I've read have been a 50/50 mix of "that cop was absolutely wrong in this incident" and "Person being a complete jackass trying to bait cops into doing something wrong, publicly announcing how self righteous they are".
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I see a lot of that jackass baiting, as well. They argue and piss off the cop over something extremely minor.

I really hope they catch the guy that called 911 on that. I hope they make an example of him, too. Just give him the maximum penalty.

Cops? Yea, they did wrong here, too. They were responding to a false situation. There should have been some verification on what's going on - looking in windows, etc. to find out the threat. If it was real, it'd be apparent. If not, exercise caution, but no need for a full assault. Hopefully, situations like this become learning experiences for other departments - stop busting in. One day, someone will bust in and get shot by someone defending their home from some unknown armed invader. Then, bullets will be flying to kill the homeowner.... Just my armchair opinion, as I am not a lawyer, tactician, veteran, police officer or anything like that. Just an opinion as part of a discussion.
 
lcpiper said:
But this isn't in any way due to the effectiveness of anti-terror operations?

You point is self defeating.
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Err, no. You can't say that, due to anti-lion operations, lion maulings are down 10,000% in the US!

9/11 could never happen again simply due to locked and armored cockpit doors, and passengers now knowing the environment has changed and they won't be used for hostages and will resist. 9/11 didn't use underwear or shoe bombs or exploding laptops, it simply used box cutters, which still can likely be fairly easily smuggled on-board. Intelligence is very unlikely to catch another Boston bomber, unless we give up all of our privacy altogether.

We kill exponentially more of each other with guns and cars each year than terrorists will ever do even if the NSA was completely disbanded tomorrow, yet we don't freak the fuck out about it.
 
The Search of his cellphone with no permission and no warrant was flagrantly unlawful and a flat out violation of his rights.
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What makes you think they didn't have a warrant before they busted into the place? Seems they need one for that as well, which suggests they have the warrant and are not doing anything illegal or unconstitutional.
 
Thermal scan the building.....there are so many fails with that....sorry dude, that's a no go.

Flashbangs...you want a law suit on your hands toss those around at will then, otherwise, cautionary use in the face of a clear and present danger that allows their deployment. Flashbangs can cause a lot of damage, even if their designed for temporary disablement.

Verify information before acting, recon....those are things that take time and resources. This department obviously doesn't have a lot of resources and the more time you take the greater the casualty count from weapons fire or a bomb detonating. A couple layers of drywall does not stop automatic rifle fire. Unfortunately, all these years of war has brought home people that are now in law enforcement that have seen people strap explosives to their body. Just because someone isn't actively pointing a weapon at you doesn't mean he can't have something. These cops responded appropriately by disabling a potential threat and then assessing the situation.

I'm by no means condoning the illegial search of his property but I don't think they responded excessively.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Err, no. You can't say that, due to anti-lion operations, lion maulings are down 10,000% in the US!

9/11 could never happen again simply due to locked and armored cockpit doors, and passengers now knowing the environment has changed and they won't be used for hostages and will resist. 9/11 didn't use underwear or shoe bombs or exploding laptops, it simply used box cutters, which still can likely be fairly easily smuggled on-board. Intelligence is very unlikely to catch another Boston bomber, unless we give up all of our privacy altogether.

We kill exponentially more of each other with guns and cars each year than terrorists will ever do even if the NSA was completely disbanded tomorrow, yet we don't freak the fuck out about it.
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Umm, yes I can say that. We have over 10 years of war against Terrorist Organizations in our pocket now and you think that has no effect on their ability to attack us in the US, Unbelievable.
 
/looked like a college dormitory common assembly room to me, no warrant needed as the university would have a standing policy of granting access to law enforcement when notified of an emergency, real or otherwise.
 
panhead said:
I fear for my life whenever I see a police officer. Do I have the right to shoot the police on sight? If the police fear for their life they shoot unarmed citizens and pets.
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^THIS!
I don't fear most people on the streets but I do fear having my door kicked in and being shot because I'll do a animal reaction to defend myself from harm while the police be cleared of wrong doing because they'll be "justified in use of force".

If I ever build a home and have the money I will make as hard as possible for raids to enter so I can access the situation, get my family to safty, flee or defend, and turn myself in when it has cooled down.
 
bucketlist said:
^THIS!
I don't fear most people on the streets but I do fear having my door kicked in and being shot because I'll do a animal reaction to defend myself from harm while the police be cleared of wrong doing because they'll be "justified in use of force".

If I ever build a home and have the money I will make as hard as possible for raids to enter so I can access the situation, get my family to safty, flee or defend, and turn myself in when it has cooled down.
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In this situation I give the cops a hard time. I know they have a tough job. But it's turned into such a one-sided situation; if I'm an honest law abiding person and the cops storm the wrong house and I, in a confused state after just waking up pull a gun, I can get shot to death. And nothing will happen.
 
Government mandates local car to car communication to facilitate automobile safety features: OMG BIG BROTHER

Police bust in on an innocent man in full riot gear and search his phone based on an anonymous troll tip: They're just doing their job folks

Can't make this stuff up
 
USMCGrunt said:
Thermal scan the building.....there are so many fails with that....sorry dude, that's a no go.

Flashbangs...you want a law suit on your hands toss those around at will then, otherwise, cautionary use in the face of a clear and present danger that allows their deployment. Flashbangs can cause a lot of damage, even if their designed for temporary disablement.

Verify information before acting, recon....those are things that take time and resources. This department obviously doesn't have a lot of resources and the more time you take the greater the casualty count from weapons fire or a bomb detonating. A couple layers of drywall does not stop automatic rifle fire. Unfortunately, all these years of war has brought home people that are now in law enforcement that have seen people strap explosives to their body. Just because someone isn't actively pointing a weapon at you doesn't mean he can't have something. These cops responded appropriately by disabling a potential threat and then assessing the situation.

I'm by no means condoning the illegial search of his property but I don't think they responded excessively.
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1) Yeah, they have thermal weaponsights, not even that expensive. I've used a couple. The building, judging by the sounds of clear being yelled, is standard stud/drywall construction. Thermals should pick up on the other side of that. They'd also pick up on things like spent shell casings, which tend to be hotter than the surrounding environment.

2) If they really were concerned about a firefight and a bomb, why not use flashbangs to stun and disorient? What possible reason could they to not use them, unless they simply didn't have them. I know what flashbangs do, I've been on both ends.


3) "Verify information before acting, recon....those are things that take time and resources. "

Yes, and they are cops. Not military, not in a war zone, not clearing out a sniper's nest, not clearing a building from which they are taking hostile file. They are responding to an anonymous call - might want to verify an actual situation first? It' doesn't actually take that long.

Also, they performed very poorly. You ought to know that. If there had been an active shooter in that room, every officer stopping and standing in that doorway was a casualty. Heck, most of the officers in the hall were exposed.
 
USMCGrunt said:
Flashbangs...you want a law suit on your hands toss those around at will then, otherwise, cautionary use in the face of a clear and present danger that allows their deployment. Flashbangs can cause a lot of damage, even if their designed for temporary disablement..
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Like where they threw that one into the crib and it burned that baby real bad? Yea, city isn't paying for medical bills. Lawsuit should be incoming soon.

bucketlist said:
If I ever build a home and have the money I will make as hard as possible for raids to enter so I can access the situation, get my family to safty, flee or defend, and turn myself in when it has cooled down.
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Someone busting into your home is a threat. What sucks is that you don't know who it is until they come trough. So, you could have a gun drawn on the unknown person. If it's cops and they see someone drawn on them - they'll shoot. Bad situation. If the guy was expecting bad guys and sees cops, he won't shoot. He'll probably drop the gun. But, it'll probably be too late. That's why I don't approve of these.

Otherside of that - they come busting in. You expect the police so you're gun is not there, and your hands are up. Oops, it's a bad guy or 2. You're dead.
 
These cops should face immediate dismissal and criminal charges. They committed a felony on video. Unauthorised access to computer systems is a crime.
 
lcpiper said:
Umm, yes I can say that. We have over 10 years of war against Terrorist Organizations in our pocket now and you think that has no effect on their ability to attack us in the US, Unbelievable.
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10 years of killing terrorists, and making new "terrorists" out of decent men. That's the problem with our government, they will never understand that one man's terrorist is another man's patriot. With every innocent you have killed, trampled, imprisoned, your operations have ensured perpetual reaction. But, the idea of a continuous war appeals to a very large number of soldiers, cops, politicians, preachers, and industrailites.

If America had as many foreign boots on our own soil as we have placed on soil around the world, if we had watched our neighbors murdered and imprisoned, our neighborhoods destroyed, we would call ourselves patriots and be driven by vengeance. Someone would call us terrorists.
 
Ha, reminds me just a couple weeks ago masked police stormed Montreal City Hall in Canada and ransacked the place while "official" on-duty police just watched.

It was a union protest... So it's OK apparently. There's plenty of need news in.

Police are scary everywhere.
 
bucketlist said:
Fucking pigs, surprised they didn't shoot him.
Fuck them for going through the cell phone and fuck them for turning off the cam.

I hope they catch the fucker who called in the prank!
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I agree. The prankster needs to be treated like the terrorist he fabricated.
 
Lith1um said:
10 years of killing terrorists, and making new "terrorists" out of decent men. That's the problem with our government, they will never understand that one man's terrorist is another man's patriot. With every innocent you have killed, trampled, imprisoned, your operations have ensured perpetual reaction. But, the idea of a continuous war appeals to a very large number of soldiers, cops, politicians, preachers, and industrailites.

If America had as many foreign boots on our own soil as we have placed on soil around the world, if we had watched our neighbors murdered and imprisoned, our neighborhoods destroyed, we would call ourselves patriots and be driven by vengeance. Someone would call us terrorists.
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Yeah, we didn't make terrorists out of a bunch of decent men. That idea needs to stop. Most of these folks are conned/propagandized/whatever into it by people of their own faith/culture. Most of the leadership are also well educated, usually in Western universities.

Take some time to actually learn about the cultures that most of the terrorists come from. They're not exactly bastions of liberal tolerance.
 
flashoverride said:
1) Yeah, they have thermal weaponsights, not even that expensive. I've used a couple. The building, judging by the sounds of clear being yelled, is standard stud/drywall construction. Thermals should pick up on the other side of that. They'd also pick up on things like spent shell casings, which tend to be hotter than the surrounding environment.

2) If they really were concerned about a firefight and a bomb, why not use flashbangs to stun and disorient? What possible reason could they to not use them, unless they simply didn't have them. I know what flashbangs do, I've been on both ends.


3) "Verify information before acting, recon....those are things that take time and resources. "

Yes, and they are cops. Not military, not in a war zone, not clearing out a sniper's nest, not clearing a building from which they are taking hostile file. They are responding to an anonymous call - might want to verify an actual situation first? It' doesn't actually take that long.

Also, they performed very poorly. You ought to know that. If there had been an active shooter in that room, every officer stopping and standing in that doorway was a casualty. Heck, most of the officers in the hall were exposed.
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Man, SWAT should really hire you on as their primary investigator, tactician, commander and armorer, if you can conclude everything that is going on and the exact course of action from a 5 minute YouTube video.

This is what I meant by armchair quarterbacking.
 
I guess many feel stupid now after they saw the second video to explain why ....
Remember don't jump to conclusion based on a short youtube video next time.
 
SRTie4k said:
Man, SWAT should really hire you on as their primary investigator, tactician, commander and armorer, if you can conclude everything that is going on and the exact course of action from a 5 minute YouTube video.

This is what I meant by armchair quarterbacking.
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I sure can evaluate their performance from watching it. Matter of fact, that's usually how you grade people's performance - by observing it.
 
So yes, many problems in this video all at once.

1.) If they find the prankster, he is definitely going to federal pound-me-up-the-ass prison. Hopefully he can also be sued.

2.) Yes, severe police misconduct in this video:

a.) It was evident this wasn't a live shooter situation, and it was evident from the way the cops just strolled in there that it was also evident to them this wasn't a live shooter situation. Based on this, they had no business charging in with guns drawn especially considering all the risks. Can you imagine if the guy was accidentally shot? Also they had no business cuffing a guy who was apparently not a live shooter, and robbing him - albeit temporarily - of his freedom.

b.) The courts have upheld that police need a warrant to search a phone. What they did on that video was just plain illegal.

c.) Disabling a video camera inside someone else's property is not just illegal, but it also suggests that they are aware that what they are doing is in legal querstion, and they don't want it to become known.

d.) Does anyone know how long they can detain a person without placing them under arrest? I didn't hear any rights being read, so either they just disregarded that portion of the law, or he was never arrested.

Police militarization and police abuse needs to stop ASAP. Power corrupts. All law enforcement need to have wearable cameras on at all times, and face suspension pending a termination hearing if they are tampered with, powered off or removed.

Many times the police are bigger crinminals than the people they are called in to deal with.


We need the middle guy:

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If agencies are truly so concerned with terror, then why aren't radiation detectors standard issue for every officer and their vehicles? They are inexpensive, readily available.
 
Like it or not (and I don't) the police are still required to act on information like that which is precisely why that particular call is effective. What's the alternative, though? Cops ignore an actual shootout in a white neighborhood? heh

Regardless, when they find people responsible for this shit they should be publicly gutted. Everyone has their own little or big rages with games but this is so goddamn extreme. You're literally playing with peoples' lives when you have a bunch of adrenaline-fused police with assault rifles kicking your door down and refusing to see the situation for what it is while clearly violating your "rights."

There are too many things wrong with what is happening in the video to think it is anything but disturbing.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041055004 said:
So yes, many problems in this video all at once.

1.) If they find the prankster, he is definitely going to federal pound-me-up-the-ass prison. Hopefully he can also be sued.

2.) Yes, severe police misconduct in this video:

a.) It was evident this wasn't a live shooter situation, and it was evident from the way the cops just strolled in there that it was also evident to them this wasn't a live shooter situation. Based on this, they had no business charging in with guns drawn especially considering all the risks. Can you imagine if the guy was accidentally shot? Also they had no business cuffing a guy who was apparently not a live shooter, and robbing him - albeit temporarily - of his freedom.

b.) The courts have upheld that police need a warrant to search a phone. What they did on that video was just plain illegal.

c.) Disabling a video camera inside someone else's property is not just illegal, but it also suggests that they are aware that what they are doing is in legal querstion, and they don't want it to become known.

d.) Does anyone know how long they can detain a person without placing them under arrest? I didn't hear any rights being read, so either they just disregarded that portion of the law, or he was never arrested.

Police militarization and police abuse needs to stop ASAP. Power corrupts. All law enforcement need to have wearable cameras on at all times, and face suspension pending a termination hearing if they are tampered with, powered off or removed.

Many times the police are bigger crinminals than the people they are called in to deal with.


We need the middle guy:

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I like that picture, you have a larger version to post?
 
Business6 said:
Like it or not (and I don't) the police are still required to act on information like that which is precisely why that particular call is effective. What's the alternative, though? Cops ignore an actual shootout in a white neighborhood? heh

Regardless, when they find people responsible for this shit they should be publicly gutted. Everyone has their own little or big rages with games but this is so goddamn extreme. You're literally playing with peoples' lives when you have a bunch of adrenaline-fused police with assault rifles kicking your door down and refusing to see the situation for what it is while clearly violating your "rights."

There are too many things wrong with what is happening in the video to think it is anything but disturbing.
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They're actually not required. At all. The police have no specific duty to protect, and can't be held liable for failing to protect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
 
To everyone convinced the police totally botched this one here, you need to look at it in another context. This is the land of Columbine high school on 1999 and the Aurora theater shooting in 2012. What if this had been a real situation? There was much criticism for delayed response in those and other situations. It is well publicized that response tactics have very much changed due to these terrible situations.

The reviewing his cell phone and taking down the webcam were a little concerning. Not sure of my opinions on it either way.

I am greatly concerned about the militarization of the police force. I don't see that as a problem in this situation.

But keep some perspective here. The real villain in this case is the jackass that phoned it in.
 
Typical keyboard warrior comments in this thread.

"Surprised cops didnt shoot him in the face!"
"Cant believe they didnt murder everyone on their way in!"
"Typical pigs using force!"
"Constitution thrown out the window!"
"America is dead, we have no more rights"

Jesus titty fucking christ are you kids really that impressionable? I imagine if this thread started on a different note you'd all be singing a new tune there. A sort sort of "I'll base my reaction on those of everyone else" attitude. You people are an embarrassment.

1 cop made 1 mistake, searching his cellphone. Probably ignorant of the law and needs to be educated. He obviously had good intentions. Fire him if you have to, but this is not somehow representative of some greater problem at large. We have a response force built around the honor system here. You cant prove that a hostage scenario isnt taking place. They have to respond like it is every time. Do you want the next Sandy Hook massacre to have the first 10 minutes spent having a debate with a 911 operator?

The only way to solve this is to punish those abusing it. Most people in this world avoid committing crimes purely upon the punishment of being caught. When someone sees a shiny pack of MnM's in the grocery store, chances are they would totally steal it 100% of the time if they could, but the fear of being arrested stops them. Thats it. Right now there is no fear of swatting people. Kids arent away of the severity of the punishment, but they ARE aware of the likelihood of being caught. As soon as the police secure a system to trace these kinds of VoIP pranks which would probably consist of little more than a series of quick warrants to get IP records released (something I'm sure the majority of you will ALSO complain about) this shit is just going to keep happening.
 
McFry said:
Typical keyboard warrior comments in this thread.

"Surprised cops didnt shoot him in the face!"
"Cant believe they didnt murder everyone on their way in!"
"Typical pigs using force!"
"Constitution thrown out the window!"
"America is dead, we have no more rights"

Jesus titty fucking christ are you kids really that impressionable? I imagine if this thread started on a different note you'd all be singing a new tune there. A sort sort of "I'll base my reaction on those of everyone else" attitude. You people are an embarrassment.

1 cop made 1 mistake, searching his cellphone. Probably ignorant of the law and needs to be educated. He obviously had good intentions. Fire him if you have to, but this is not somehow representative of some greater problem at large. We have a response force built around the honor system here. You cant prove that a hostage scenario isnt taking place. They have to respond like it is every time. Do you want the next Sandy Hook massacre to have the first 10 minutes spent having a debate with a 911 operator?

The only way to solve this is to punish those abusing it. Most people in this world avoid committing crimes purely upon the punishment of being caught. When someone sees a shiny pack of MnM's in the grocery store, chances are they would totally steal it 100% of the time if they could, but the fear of being arrested stops them. Thats it. Right now there is no fear of swatting people. Kids arent away of the severity of the punishment, but they ARE aware of the likelihood of being caught. As soon as the police secure a system to trace these kinds of VoIP pranks which would probably consist of little more than a series of quick warrants to get IP records released (something I'm sure the majority of you will ALSO complain about) this shit is just going to keep happening.
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bucketlist said:
^THIS!
I don't fear most people on the streets but I do fear having my door kicked in and being shot because I'll do a animal reaction to defend myself from harm while the police be cleared of wrong doing because they'll be "justified in use of force".

If I ever build a home and have the money I will make as hard as possible for raids to enter so I can access the situation, get my family to safty, flee or defend, and turn myself in when it has cooled down.
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Your post reads like that of a well educated adult. :rolleyes:
 
Zarathustra[H];1041055004 said:
Police militarization and police abuse needs to stop ASAP. Power corrupts. All law enforcement need to have wearable cameras on at all times, and face suspension pending a termination hearing if they are tampered with, powered off or removed.
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Absolutely, but guess who keeps vetoing the "cop cams" (chest or visor)... the unionized police force. Why its even up to them, I simply don't understand. This is clearly a "police the police" tool, and it also saves countless dollars and hours of court time in their defense when they are in the right so there is no "he said/she said".

And the real question here is, how many lives has this militarization of the police and frequent no-knock lives saved versus the negative impact it has had, including lives lost uncessarily.

We already heard about the flash bang that lit the blanket on fire of a sleeping girl, people "accidentally running into the butts of SWAT's rifles" that somehow holds up in court as plausible, and the tremendous risk to life to people and their pets when humans pumped full of adrenaline come running in with guns with smoke alarms blaring from the flash bangs and people screaming in fright and possibly running in the chaos at the officers getting shot.

We used to have simple detective work, where surveillance was done and the person grabbed out of the home with the least muss and fuss... what happened to this? And why are SWAT called in for things as stupid as suspicion of growing weed in their closets or garages?

And do they REALLY need tanks?
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Mother and daughter inadvertently run into due to the poor visibility of the vehicle and inexperienced cop driver, the flashbang/teargas cans light the house on fire and it burns, and they scared the crap out of the dog that ended up running deep in the house and burned alive, and then laughed at the guy screaming about his dead dog. Oh, and this was for a guy suspected of harboring automatic weapons... only problem? There was no evidence ever recovered for that tip they received, but they arrested the guy anyway for an outstanding traffic ticket.
 
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